In reply to Post #4949
In reply to Post #4948
Mal , you ever done any research into the racist BLM organisation and seen what really goes on apart from listening to the bbc and sky news , give it a go
. You'll be surprised
Mal , you ever done any research into the racist BLM organisation and seen what really goes on apart from listening to the bbc and sky news , give it a go
. You'll be surprised
In reply to Post #4952
done plenty of research Ralphy - it's a matter very close to my heart. the overwhelming majority of people who support the BLM movement are in support of the overarching issue of racial discrimination.
The racist Millwall jokers might try to hide behind the 'we're just opposed to the political movement' but let's get serious - they're not fooling anyone. The players posted a very clear message the day before the game that outlined their intent and distanced themselves from the political agenda - the taking the knee prior to the game was / is about the ongoing treatment of black and ethnic minority players / coaches / staff in sport. You know it as well as I do.
The supporters club statement admitted they were in 'disagreement with anti-discrimination' - put another way, they are in agreement with discrimination, which in this case is race related. Racism. clear and simple.
If they wanted to voice opposition to the political element, then they could have written to them rather than their disgraceful action the other night. of course there's the hypocrisy of people saying that 'we should keep politics out of sport' and then 'we are protesting about the political agenda' in the same breath...
have you read / heard the response from the black players who were on the field? that in itself is more than enough reason to condemn what happened.
contrast with the response from the Spurs fans - do you think they're all signed up members of that political element? of course not. perhaps they can see past the guff to the real matter at hand eh?
anyway - you getting a nose bleed yet? it's late in the season for the spuds to be that high up...
done plenty of research Ralphy - it's a matter very close to my heart. the overwhelming majority of people who support the BLM movement are in support of the overarching issue of racial discrimination.
The racist Millwall jokers might try to hide behind the 'we're just opposed to the political movement' but let's get serious - they're not fooling anyone. The players posted a very clear message the day before the game that outlined their intent and distanced themselves from the political agenda - the taking the knee prior to the game was / is about the ongoing treatment of black and ethnic minority players / coaches / staff in sport. You know it as well as I do.
The supporters club statement admitted they were in 'disagreement with anti-discrimination' - put another way, they are in agreement with discrimination, which in this case is race related. Racism. clear and simple.
If they wanted to voice opposition to the political element, then they could have written to them rather than their disgraceful action the other night. of course there's the hypocrisy of people saying that 'we should keep politics out of sport' and then 'we are protesting about the political agenda' in the same breath...
have you read / heard the response from the black players who were on the field? that in itself is more than enough reason to condemn what happened.
contrast with the response from the Spurs fans - do you think they're all signed up members of that political element? of course not. perhaps they can see past the guff to the real matter at hand eh?
anyway - you getting a nose bleed yet? it's late in the season for the spuds to be that high up...
In reply to Post #4953
Seeing political stuff is not encouraged in football I do find it a little strange that players take the knee for BLM which is a political movement.
Football has already got and had for some time their own anti racist movement with slogans such as 'show racism the red card' and ' no room for racism', what they should be doing at the start of a match is making a stand for that not BLM which could come back and bite them if the BLM movement starts to push their political agenda and people start to distance themselves.
Now if fans start booing the red card/no room movement then there can't be any excuses that would be racist.
Seeing political stuff is not encouraged in football I do find it a little strange that players take the knee for BLM which is a political movement.
Football has already got and had for some time their own anti racist movement with slogans such as 'show racism the red card' and ' no room for racism', what they should be doing at the start of a match is making a stand for that not BLM which could come back and bite them if the BLM movement starts to push their political agenda and people start to distance themselves.
Now if fans start booing the red card/no room movement then there can't be any excuses that would be racist.
Not wishing to get too involved with this BLM debate, but from what I saw on the news when it all started it seems to me not so much a protest against racism but more of an excuse for the likes of anarchists etc to cause mayhem and rage through the streets fighting the establishment, coupled with the likes of those who saw it as an opportunity to loot and pillage for their own gain.
I certainly wouldn't take the knee, it should be All lives matter regardless of colour etc, I go through life with the attitude that if you're okay with me I'm okay with you and I don't want anyone forcing their views on me be it race, gender or religion...... or football 👍
I certainly wouldn't take the knee, it should be All lives matter regardless of colour etc, I go through life with the attitude that if you're okay with me I'm okay with you and I don't want anyone forcing their views on me be it race, gender or religion...... or football 👍
In reply to Post #4955
Well said 👍
Well said 👍
Seems a far better way of showing unity 👍
In reply to Post #4958
I think so no politics involved .
Kick It Out works within the football, educational and community sectors to challenge discrimination, encourage inclusive practices and work for positive change and most importantly no defunding of the police
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Although I think Millwall would like the police defunded
I think so no politics involved .
Kick It Out works within the football, educational and community sectors to challenge discrimination, encourage inclusive practices and work for positive change and most importantly no defunding of the police
Edit
Although I think Millwall would like the police defunded
my views on this are well documented and my reasons are more important than a political movement. some things to maybe consider...
There is a political BLM faction - but this is absolutely NOT the big picture. As said, for most people BLM is about the wider - and still prevalent - issue of racial inequality. In the same way that believing that we should all treat each other as equals doesn't mean that you are in full support of the Catholic Church (by way of an example of an organisation that expounds this wider philosophy). The Millwall players had already distanced themselves from the political wing prior to the game.
If you are naive enough to think that the previous anti-racism campaigns in football have worked, then you haven't been watching the same game I have. it didn't end when Cyrille Regis retired. nor Fashanu, nor Barnes, nor Wright...
Many black players have - and still do experienced racism in their careers. They didn't bring it into the game. They - and their team mates of any colour - have a right, even a responsibility, to show their support for each other and for the ongoing fight against discrimination.
People speaking up for what is right isn't 'ramming it down your throat'. Would we say the same to the Macmillan Cancer nurses and their pesky, intrusive advertising campaign? (I'm being sarcastic here in case any of the Millwall mob take it literally).
Unfortunately 'all lives matter' is a cop out and in the same way BLM has been appropriated by certain undesirable factions, this has too - by racist / right wing factions who think they are being clever. it's dead point of argument anyway - Saying that Black lives matter doesn't mean that other don't. And if 'all' lives really matter to you then you should be able to say that black lives do without feeling threatened. The sad state of the world is that for too many people, black lives don't matter equally, and that is the simple idea behind the movement.
The 'taking of the knee' in this context was born from Colin Kaepernick. An NFL quarterback who refused to stand for the US national anthem as a protest before a game. It belongs in sport as much - if not more - than as anywhere.
by way of a bit of karmic cynicism, if the poor offended white Millwall fans - and their counterparts elsewhere - don't like it, then maybe they should just go home. sound familiar?
essay over. it's surfaced here as it's a football thread and the context was / is football related. no apologies for re-stating my points - I promise i'll stop 'banging on about it' when it stops being an issue.
peace and love all - except Man U fans of course
There is a political BLM faction - but this is absolutely NOT the big picture. As said, for most people BLM is about the wider - and still prevalent - issue of racial inequality. In the same way that believing that we should all treat each other as equals doesn't mean that you are in full support of the Catholic Church (by way of an example of an organisation that expounds this wider philosophy). The Millwall players had already distanced themselves from the political wing prior to the game.
If you are naive enough to think that the previous anti-racism campaigns in football have worked, then you haven't been watching the same game I have. it didn't end when Cyrille Regis retired. nor Fashanu, nor Barnes, nor Wright...
Many black players have - and still do experienced racism in their careers. They didn't bring it into the game. They - and their team mates of any colour - have a right, even a responsibility, to show their support for each other and for the ongoing fight against discrimination.
People speaking up for what is right isn't 'ramming it down your throat'. Would we say the same to the Macmillan Cancer nurses and their pesky, intrusive advertising campaign? (I'm being sarcastic here in case any of the Millwall mob take it literally).
Unfortunately 'all lives matter' is a cop out and in the same way BLM has been appropriated by certain undesirable factions, this has too - by racist / right wing factions who think they are being clever. it's dead point of argument anyway - Saying that Black lives matter doesn't mean that other don't. And if 'all' lives really matter to you then you should be able to say that black lives do without feeling threatened. The sad state of the world is that for too many people, black lives don't matter equally, and that is the simple idea behind the movement.
The 'taking of the knee' in this context was born from Colin Kaepernick. An NFL quarterback who refused to stand for the US national anthem as a protest before a game. It belongs in sport as much - if not more - than as anywhere.
by way of a bit of karmic cynicism, if the poor offended white Millwall fans - and their counterparts elsewhere - don't like it, then maybe they should just go home. sound familiar?
essay over. it's surfaced here as it's a football thread and the context was / is football related. no apologies for re-stating my points - I promise i'll stop 'banging on about it' when it stops being an issue.
peace and love all - except Man U fans of course
In reply to Post #4960
Wrong thread. Go and blow your trumpet elsewhere
Talking about UTD, 2 down already
Wrong thread. Go and blow your trumpet elsewhere
Talking about UTD, 2 down already
In reply to Post #4961
3 down for 2 mins !!
3 down for 2 mins !!
In reply to Post #4962
Amazing
Needs to pick team and stick with it, still does not know who is best 11 are. Mind you though, plenty of choices, 12 subs named on the bench!
Amazing
Needs to pick team and stick with it, still does not know who is best 11 are. Mind you though, plenty of choices, 12 subs named on the bench!
In reply to Post #4963
3 nil now
3 nil now
Millwall fans applaud before kick off.
Looks like not everyone shares the idea that BLM is the best way forward.
Looks like not everyone shares the idea that BLM is the best way forward.