In reply to Post #27
by way of a bit of balance / devil's advocate....
it could be seen as hypocritical complaining about 'messing with nature' and 'creating new lakes'....
or is creating a new lake for carp anglers and messing with nature through artificial breeding, stocking and feeding exempt from the argument?
btw - I'm in favour of regulated conservation rather than foolhardy renegades taking things into their own hands. sensible reintroduction of species that were driven out by mankind 'playing god' and messing up habitats is a positive in my book.
like i say - a bit of balance
by way of a bit of balance / devil's advocate....
it could be seen as hypocritical complaining about 'messing with nature' and 'creating new lakes'....
or is creating a new lake for carp anglers and messing with nature through artificial breeding, stocking and feeding exempt from the argument?
btw - I'm in favour of regulated conservation rather than foolhardy renegades taking things into their own hands. sensible reintroduction of species that were driven out by mankind 'playing god' and messing up habitats is a positive in my book.
like i say - a bit of balance
Thanks for the links, Cam and Shane. Only listened to about an hour of part opne so far but it's interesting listening. The guy really knows his stuff.
In reply to Post #28
If you use youtube you can find them on there Ken https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXBVXCpMqU4C5P1-x9ofDXw/videos
Agree Beavers are going to become the next 'otter' but living in Kent I am waiting for the day I wake up on my local syndicate and one of these is outside my bivvy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-53349929
If you use youtube you can find them on there Ken https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXBVXCpMqU4C5P1-x9ofDXw/videos
Agree Beavers are going to become the next 'otter' but living in Kent I am waiting for the day I wake up on my local syndicate and one of these is outside my bivvy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-53349929
In reply to Post #34
In reply to Post #34
Wouldn't want to accidentally hit one in the van
Wouldn't want to accidentally hit one in the van
In reply to Post #36
No worse than hitting a badger, like the ones that get accidentally hit round here. Normally after they shoot themselves 😂
No worse than hitting a badger, like the ones that get accidentally hit round here. Normally after they shoot themselves 😂
In reply to Post #32
Mal, i agree with you.....regulated conservation. I actually think there is a place for Otters.....they were in place, minding there own for a long time until these captive bred animals were systematically and uncontrolledly, released to what it is now.
Same for the Beaver, Im all for them so long as they are controlled and regulated.
And I also agree with you on the carp anglers point of view and how we meddle with fisheries to our own ends. Stripping out all other species to maximise weight gains or worse, coz anglers dont want to wake up at 2am for a tench.....
Like you say, a bit of balance.
Mal, i agree with you.....regulated conservation. I actually think there is a place for Otters.....they were in place, minding there own for a long time until these captive bred animals were systematically and uncontrolledly, released to what it is now.
Same for the Beaver, Im all for them so long as they are controlled and regulated.
And I also agree with you on the carp anglers point of view and how we meddle with fisheries to our own ends. Stripping out all other species to maximise weight gains or worse, coz anglers dont want to wake up at 2am for a tench.....
Like you say, a bit of balance.
In reply to Post #38
Totally agree
but the captive breeding program finished years ago and those otters will be a long time dead. Plus the numbers of otters bred and released were very low.
Totally agree
but the captive breeding program finished years ago and those otters will be a long time dead. Plus the numbers of otters bred and released were very low.
In reply to Post #38
In reply to Post #39
Frenzy, the progeny of those released Lutra are the consequence of, arent they ? if we apply that logic too Beavers, we can imagine a similar outcome ? especially if these re-wilders are involved as suspected.
Frenzy, the progeny of those released Lutra are the consequence of, arent they ? if we apply that logic too Beavers, we can imagine a similar outcome ? especially if these re-wilders are involved as suspected.
In reply to Post #32
Couldn't agree more. Modern commercial carp fishery management consists entirely of interfering with nature.
Couldn't agree more. Modern commercial carp fishery management consists entirely of interfering with nature.
In reply to Post #41
I have no idea regarding Beavers mate.
re released otter back when Phillip Ware was responsible i agree, but there were only 130. (Recorded)
NO one knew how many were already in the wild, and still to this day dont
I have no idea regarding Beavers mate.
re released otter back when Phillip Ware was responsible i agree, but there were only 130. (Recorded)
NO one knew how many were already in the wild, and still to this day dont
In reply to Post #43
Beavers are ecosystem engineers and create a landscape I want to live in and and enjoy. We need to fit our silly carp fishing around these forces of nature. This is serious now. If you gripe against beavers you gripe against ecology and you are a serious threat to the countryside.
Beavers are ecosystem engineers and create a landscape I want to live in and and enjoy. We need to fit our silly carp fishing around these forces of nature. This is serious now. If you gripe against beavers you gripe against ecology and you are a serious threat to the countryside.