In reply to Post #11
Spot on
Spot on
In reply to Post #25
I've always been of the mindset that the government were knackered either way. If they had gone the way of Sweden, no doubt the Prime Minister would have have been accused of having blood on his hands so to speak, lock the place down, accused of mashing up economy for instance. Nightmare position to be in.
I've always been of the mindset that the government were knackered either way. If they had gone the way of Sweden, no doubt the Prime Minister would have have been accused of having blood on his hands so to speak, lock the place down, accused of mashing up economy for instance. Nightmare position to be in.
In reply to Post #26
Well the propaganda pumped into everyone's nut on the daily sure made people think it was.
People I know were literally freaked out, and when I said 'well, it's not like the Black Death is it,' reaction? Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Well the propaganda pumped into everyone's nut on the daily sure made people think it was.
People I know were literally freaked out, and when I said 'well, it's not like the Black Death is it,' reaction? Reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
In reply to Post #28
So you are basically contradicting yourself?
First it's Sweden have no problems and they didn't go full lock down. Then it's Belgium have worse and they did lock down. Then it's we won't know, lol!
All this aside, the science is still out there on whether masks are effective, but for the time being it seems sensible to risk a few boomers being uncomfortable to wear a mask, if the upside is there.
There was a point when we put telephones into cars, and crashes happened, people died. Once we realised that phones and cars don't mix, we banned them. No one complained about them being too late to act. We accepted it and moved on.
So you are basically contradicting yourself?
First it's Sweden have no problems and they didn't go full lock down. Then it's Belgium have worse and they did lock down. Then it's we won't know, lol!
All this aside, the science is still out there on whether masks are effective, but for the time being it seems sensible to risk a few boomers being uncomfortable to wear a mask, if the upside is there.
There was a point when we put telephones into cars, and crashes happened, people died. Once we realised that phones and cars don't mix, we banned them. No one complained about them being too late to act. We accepted it and moved on.
In reply to Post #34
No, not at all. Just not being specific as to reasons because not all the information has been collected, collated and processed.
Your analogy of phones? Meh. Why don't we just stick to the virus, mkay?
No, not at all. Just not being specific as to reasons because not all the information has been collected, collated and processed.
Your analogy of phones? Meh. Why don't we just stick to the virus, mkay?
In reply to Post #32
The UK government handled Covid19 badly from the start. Every important decision they made in the early days was at least 2 or 3 weeks later than it should have been and their advice has been ambiguous at times rather than crystal clear. Thousands of lives could have been saved with earlier restrictions on international travel, earlier lockdown, and a proper contract tracing system in the early days when it would have actually been workable because the numbers would have been low. Wishywashy dithering idiots who couldn't even protect themselves from catching the virus and then let their "advisors" (or is that puppetmasters?) flout the lockdown rules with no comeback.
And to those who say that the masks (or face coverings) will not stop you from catching the virus because they are not medical grade, or you can get the virus in your eye, you are missing the point. The main reason for the mask rule in enclosed spaces is to stop people who are infected, who either don't know or don't care, from accidentally flobbing or sneezing or coughing the virus into other people's faces.
The UK government handled Covid19 badly from the start. Every important decision they made in the early days was at least 2 or 3 weeks later than it should have been and their advice has been ambiguous at times rather than crystal clear. Thousands of lives could have been saved with earlier restrictions on international travel, earlier lockdown, and a proper contract tracing system in the early days when it would have actually been workable because the numbers would have been low. Wishywashy dithering idiots who couldn't even protect themselves from catching the virus and then let their "advisors" (or is that puppetmasters?) flout the lockdown rules with no comeback.
And to those who say that the masks (or face coverings) will not stop you from catching the virus because they are not medical grade, or you can get the virus in your eye, you are missing the point. The main reason for the mask rule in enclosed spaces is to stop people who are infected, who either don't know or don't care, from accidentally flobbing or sneezing or coughing the virus into other people's faces.
I should of stayed in Vietnam early march..bloody safer..
In reply to Post #36
1st paragraph
2nd paragraph...hmm.
I can see.your point and to a large degree its correct, like a poster said earlier, bio suits are the only *real* protection. Stating the obvious, I know [shrug].
I can't help thinking that this is all just an over reaction with the effects of those over reactions being very, very long lasting well into the future. Take people's mental health for instance, we're social beings and being separated from one another for long periods of time has a deep physcological impact as many well documented studies have shown.
1st paragraph
2nd paragraph...hmm.
I can see.your point and to a large degree its correct, like a poster said earlier, bio suits are the only *real* protection. Stating the obvious, I know [shrug].
I can't help thinking that this is all just an over reaction with the effects of those over reactions being very, very long lasting well into the future. Take people's mental health for instance, we're social beings and being separated from one another for long periods of time has a deep physcological impact as many well documented studies have shown.
In reply to Post #36
flobbing..hence why the bame count is high..and why I've ditched working in and around tower hamlets..
flobbing..hence why the bame count is high..and why I've ditched working in and around tower hamlets..
In reply to Post #38
Put it this way, if I am in the same tackle shop as someone who is coughing their guts up or sneezing their head off I would feel 99% safer if that person was wearing a mask. Reverse the situation and the other person would feel safer, therefore it is a benefit to everyone.
Also: Mental health, I get the worry, but without physical health/life there is no possibility of mental health so measures for physically protecting the population must take priority in the physical world. You can't fix the mental health of someone who is dead from the virus. People who have anxiety issues about seeing people in masks would be advised to avoid shops and public transport for the benefit of everyone.
Put it this way, if I am in the same tackle shop as someone who is coughing their guts up or sneezing their head off I would feel 99% safer if that person was wearing a mask. Reverse the situation and the other person would feel safer, therefore it is a benefit to everyone.
Also: Mental health, I get the worry, but without physical health/life there is no possibility of mental health so measures for physically protecting the population must take priority in the physical world. You can't fix the mental health of someone who is dead from the virus. People who have anxiety issues about seeing people in masks would be advised to avoid shops and public transport for the benefit of everyone.
In reply to Post #40
And here's the rub: maybe they've got just the common cold???
And here's the rub: maybe they've got just the common cold???
In reply to Post #41
Yes, but are you willing to snog them to find out if it is a common cold or Covid?
If not then you should both be wearing masks.
Yes, but are you willing to snog them to find out if it is a common cold or Covid?
If not then you should both be wearing masks.
In reply to Post #1
My other half is convinced it's all a ploy to keep the public in a panic about the virus so that when a vaccine is ready to be peddled out to millions of unsuspecting people by Bill Gates we will all readily accept being injected by unproven chemicals that will be used to control the population and make Bill Gates even richer.
And that masks don't work.
And that the virus has only actually killed 1300 people in this country who didn't already already have severe underlying health problems.
And that track and trace is being developed purely as a way of controlling the population.
Now I don't agree with her and can obviously see how properly worn masks can prevent infection, however I am worried about the effectiveness of any vaccine, we have been developing flu vaccines for years now and they are generally 40-50% effective, maximum. The thought of fast tracking a vaccine and essentially skipping a whole raft of tests and checks to inject it en masse into an unsuspecting and naive public worries me.
Sorry got on a rant and didn't answer OP's question. I have no idea of anyone selling fishing masks.
My other half is convinced it's all a ploy to keep the public in a panic about the virus so that when a vaccine is ready to be peddled out to millions of unsuspecting people by Bill Gates we will all readily accept being injected by unproven chemicals that will be used to control the population and make Bill Gates even richer.
And that masks don't work.
And that the virus has only actually killed 1300 people in this country who didn't already already have severe underlying health problems.
And that track and trace is being developed purely as a way of controlling the population.
Now I don't agree with her and can obviously see how properly worn masks can prevent infection, however I am worried about the effectiveness of any vaccine, we have been developing flu vaccines for years now and they are generally 40-50% effective, maximum. The thought of fast tracking a vaccine and essentially skipping a whole raft of tests and checks to inject it en masse into an unsuspecting and naive public worries me.
Sorry got on a rant and didn't answer OP's question. I have no idea of anyone selling fishing masks.
In reply to Post #42
You've got deep held concerns, I respect that.
You've got deep held concerns, I respect that.
In reply to Post #44
I respect your opinions also, if we can't discuss difficult subjects amicably then we are nothing. I respect everybody's opinion as long as they are willing to discuss it. Fingers in the ears is the only opinion I don't respect.
I respect your opinions also, if we can't discuss difficult subjects amicably then we are nothing. I respect everybody's opinion as long as they are willing to discuss it. Fingers in the ears is the only opinion I don't respect.