In reply to Post #361
Yes you can take the Poultry protein out and either adjust the other ingredients or like you say a 50/50 mix of fishmeal and bird food could work.
I never carried on with the development of the BM2, it was always an experiment to move away from fishmeal for commercial reasons....but the bait I make now I guess you could call the BM5 (3 and 4 soon got replaced in my bait own recipe book!) but only me and a couple of mates use it and it works very well
Having said that my BM5 is not that different to BM1....just tweaked here and there plus two other key ingredients I wanted to try
Yes you can take the Poultry protein out and either adjust the other ingredients or like you say a 50/50 mix of fishmeal and bird food could work.
I never carried on with the development of the BM2, it was always an experiment to move away from fishmeal for commercial reasons....but the bait I make now I guess you could call the BM5 (3 and 4 soon got replaced in my bait own recipe book!) but only me and a couple of mates use it and it works very well
Having said that my BM5 is not that different to BM1....just tweaked here and there plus two other key ingredients I wanted to try
In reply to Post #363
I've been reading this thread with interest, and it has got my mind racing with combinations and levels.
Peter(Smurf) deserves a commission from the ingredient suppliers, and from the rest of us for abusing his kind gesture!
I have been battling (albeit on paper), with some of the variations to BM1 listed in this thread. Specifically the inclusion of both GLME and betaine.
Can anyone clarify if additional betaine levels should be lowered/omitted altogether, given the levels that GLME already contains?
Would say 50g GLME provide enough betaine to negate its inclusion separately?
Perhaps adding a half dose of betaine to the hookbaits for added atttraction?
Obviously, I am trying to avoid the repellent effects that too much betaine can cause.
I've been reading this thread with interest, and it has got my mind racing with combinations and levels.
Peter(Smurf) deserves a commission from the ingredient suppliers, and from the rest of us for abusing his kind gesture!
I have been battling (albeit on paper), with some of the variations to BM1 listed in this thread. Specifically the inclusion of both GLME and betaine.
Can anyone clarify if additional betaine levels should be lowered/omitted altogether, given the levels that GLME already contains?
Would say 50g GLME provide enough betaine to negate its inclusion separately?
Perhaps adding a half dose of betaine to the hookbaits for added atttraction?
Obviously, I am trying to avoid the repellent effects that too much betaine can cause.
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In reply to Post #365
Could eat the myself mate. 
Could eat the myself mate.
In reply to Post #366
cheers nellie, one thing i have found , i made a batch before which was great , but adding seaweed really brings out a fishy salty taste that is tops! its a very coarse mix which i love and i added only a half a ml of monster crab and half a mil of cranberry per egg, so 6 ml per 6 eggs. no sweetener. could i harden the bait slighlty by reducing the clo and adding semo ?
cheers nellie, one thing i have found , i made a batch before which was great , but adding seaweed really brings out a fishy salty taste that is tops! its a very coarse mix which i love and i added only a half a ml of monster crab and half a mil of cranberry per egg, so 6 ml per 6 eggs. no sweetener. could i harden the bait slighlty by reducing the clo and adding semo ?
In reply to Post #367
Try making some harder hookbaits with blood plasma, wpc or whey gel. 5% of any one of these will make them harder :-)
Try making some harder hookbaits with blood plasma, wpc or whey gel. 5% of any one of these will make them harder :-)
In reply to Post #368
cheers smurf will do! its a great mix, easy to roll and when you delve into the FLAA side, its better than 90% than some of the bait being sold out there!! my fishing buddy is using a bait made by one of the most popular who sell for £5-6 per kilo, and makes for untold online bait companies, when we compared , his had hardly any birdfood in it, very oily and seemed to be mainly semo, not being a bait buff im not sure 100% but the BM 1 looked so much better!!
As of interest, did you have any birdfoody type recipies to share? would love to tinker about with one of those too!
cheers smurf will do! its a great mix, easy to roll and when you delve into the FLAA side, its better than 90% than some of the bait being sold out there!! my fishing buddy is using a bait made by one of the most popular who sell for £5-6 per kilo, and makes for untold online bait companies, when we compared , his had hardly any birdfood in it, very oily and seemed to be mainly semo, not being a bait buff im not sure 100% but the BM 1 looked so much better!!
As of interest, did you have any birdfoody type recipies to share? would love to tinker about with one of those too!
In reply to Post #369
Sorry all my stuff is HNV and to me a birdfood bait will never be HNV so I din't ever make any
Sorry all my stuff is HNV and to me a birdfood bait will never be HNV so I din't ever make any
I have seen some recipes about I was wondering if dog kibble and chilli flakes would work as a boilie.
In reply to Post #371
No not really mate. Just stick to the BM1 or 2 and you'll be onto a winner.
No not really mate. Just stick to the BM1 or 2 and you'll be onto a winner.
In reply to Post #368
I am still having a problem with harder hookbaits. I have made some up with 5% and 10% Whey Gel and they are like bullets. The only problem is that once in the water they are still softening up too quickly for my liking and am never confident that the bait is still there in the morning.
Is there anything else I can try as it is only the hookbaits I'm having a problem with?
I am still having a problem with harder hookbaits. I have made some up with 5% and 10% Whey Gel and they are like bullets. The only problem is that once in the water they are still softening up too quickly for my liking and am never confident that the bait is still there in the morning.
Is there anything else I can try as it is only the hookbaits I'm having a problem with?
In reply to Post #373
I am still having a problem with harder hookbaits
equal amounts of whey gel and egg albumin should firm them up abit more i would start at maybe 5% of each
I am still having a problem with harder hookbaits
equal amounts of whey gel and egg albumin should firm them up abit more i would start at maybe 5% of each
In reply to Post #374
Out of interest, is that what the commercial bait companies use?
Out of interest, is that what the commercial bait companies use?
In reply to Post #375
large volumes of semolina!..
large volumes of semolina!..
In reply to Post #376
Seeing as I am only talking hookbaits maybe that's what I should do also. The albumin/whey seems to make the baits harder yes, but it doesn't seem to stop them going soft once in the water.
I am ashamed to say it but I had to resort to using some readymades on the hair over the weekend so they were still there in the morning!
Seeing as I am only talking hookbaits maybe that's what I should do also. The albumin/whey seems to make the baits harder yes, but it doesn't seem to stop them going soft once in the water.
I am ashamed to say it but I had to resort to using some readymades on the hair over the weekend so they were still there in the morning!