In reply to Post #319
id rather not say, but lets just say i have DEFRA connections due to my business
id rather not say, but lets just say i have DEFRA connections due to my business
I saw John Baker commenting on this, saying there might be something in the pipeline. I'd love it to be true but can't see it happening.
This would require the EU to change its regulations in order to benefit some UK firms, instead of leaving things as they are and potentially creating more business for European bait makers. Why would they do that?
This would require the EU to change its regulations in order to benefit some UK firms, instead of leaving things as they are and potentially creating more business for European bait makers. Why would they do that?
In reply to Post #321
agreed, but adding a sub category for recreational fishing isnt such a huge minefield.
Dont get me wrong, its not going to happen over an e-mail it will take some time, plus with everything else going on, its not exactly priority for either UK or EU governments.
BUT, at least its been identified and being discussed
agreed, but adding a sub category for recreational fishing isnt such a huge minefield.
Dont get me wrong, its not going to happen over an e-mail it will take some time, plus with everything else going on, its not exactly priority for either UK or EU governments.
BUT, at least its been identified and being discussed
In reply to Post #322
Fingers crossed!
I thought JB's new range of flavours in little 8ml bottles might be to help people like me smuggle them through customs 'secreted about the person'. Although I'd be scared of a bottle breaking, farting, and making an Easyjet flight stink of maple for 2 hours.
Fingers crossed!
I thought JB's new range of flavours in little 8ml bottles might be to help people like me smuggle them through customs 'secreted about the person'. Although I'd be scared of a bottle breaking, farting, and making an Easyjet flight stink of maple for 2 hours.
In reply to Post #320
Fair enough
Fair enough
In reply to Post #323
man this remembered me of times when I carried few L of hutchis monster and secret agent on easy jet in hand luggage 15 year ago
man this remembered me of times when I carried few L of hutchis monster and secret agent on easy jet in hand luggage 15 year ago
In reply to Post #323
i dint think anyone will have many issues with a bottle of flavour or two.
i dint think anyone will have many issues with a bottle of flavour or two.
They have 14 months to sort it out for me, my May trip has been cancelled again 
In reply to Post #327
Solar have advertised on FB that they can deliver to their European customers. Either it's sorted or making their bait in Europe.
Solar have advertised on FB that they can deliver to their European customers. Either it's sorted or making their bait in Europe.
They already have their bait made in Europe so it wouldn't be a problem for solar 👍
They might actually do very well out of it
They might actually do very well out of it
In reply to Post #322
I'm an English angler living & fishing in NL & have always sourced bait from UK. Also have a business importing British made goods into NL - and it's a nightmare at the moment - transport, couriers - very slow / extra red tape. Easiest would be a simple standards 'alignment' (pre-Brexit). But lots of acrimony between EU/UK so don't hold your breath.
(Google Translated from the Dutch Angling Direct Site).
We would like to explain to you what problems there are regarding the import of bait for all our European customers. Angling Direct is currently unable to export bait from the UK due to negotiations between the UK and the EU on the European Health Certificate required for exporting bait.
Why can't we ship bait to the EU?
Bait types such as boilies, pellets and ground baits require a European Health Certificate to be exported because it currently falls in the same category as animal feed. Before it can be used, it must first undergo extensive and high-cost testing and be certified by a veterinarian. Unfortunately, the UK-EU Trade Agreement affects the fishing industry as a whole as well as individual anglers. Together with bait manufacturers like CC Moore, Dynamite Baits and Mainline Baits, Angling Direct has had to stop all bait orders because we currently have no option to ship these orders to the EU.
Can customers in the EU still order other products from AD?
The only products that cannot be shipped at this time are products with natural ingredients, such as baits (boilies, pellets, etc.). Lures are excluded and can still be shipped. To reassure our European customers, the UK-EU Trade Agreement has no effect on our ability to ship most products to European countries and nothing has changed for our customers and their purchasing conditions.
How long does it take before we can ship bait to the EU?
We are currently waiting for an adjustment in the classification for the European Health Certificate. Angling Direct keeps a close eye on all developments between the European Commission and the United Kingdom. We hope that a further classification or a change in Health Certificate regulations will be established before we can resume exporting bait to our customers in the EU.
How will this affect UK fishermen?
This gap in the UK-EU Trade Agreement also affects anglers traveling from the UK to EU countries. Mark Owen, Head of Freshwater at the Angling Trust, said: “To our knowledge, it seems that the current situation is also affecting fishermen who want to bring bait from England to fish in Europe. When the Covid travel restrictions are lifted, they too will have to provide a European Health Certificate if requested. “
What is Angling Direct doing while we wait?
We will be posting on the bait sales pages of the European websites to alert people that we currently do not sell or ship bait to countries outside the UK.
While Angling Direct is currently unable to provide bait to its European customers, there are plenty of tackle items we can deliver to your front door, from fishing rods to lures.
Andy Torrance, CEO of Angling Direct commented:
“We are proud of the long-standing contacts we have had with our bait suppliers and it is frustrating for them and for us that we are currently unable to ship our fantastic products to you, our customers. find a solution and as General Manager of Angling Direct I will do everything I can to help. We hope to provide you with bait again soon. "
Where can I find more information?
The good news is that most of the parties involved in the fishing industry have joined forces to work on a solution.
Organizations such as the UK Angling Trust and manufacturers such as Dynamite Baits and Mainline Baits are currently working hard to clarify the UK-EU Trade Agreement which in practice means that UK fishermen cannot bring bait on fishing holidays to Europe and that the export of bait is made more difficult.
Jamie Cook, CEO of the Angling Trust:
"I asked my team within the Angling Trust to work with the fishing industry to help the European Commission come to different insights."
We would like to take this opportunity to thank all our European customers for their support during this difficult transition in UK-EU trade relations.
I'm an English angler living & fishing in NL & have always sourced bait from UK. Also have a business importing British made goods into NL - and it's a nightmare at the moment - transport, couriers - very slow / extra red tape. Easiest would be a simple standards 'alignment' (pre-Brexit). But lots of acrimony between EU/UK so don't hold your breath.
(Google Translated from the Dutch Angling Direct Site).
We would like to explain to you what problems there are regarding the import of bait for all our European customers. Angling Direct is currently unable to export bait from the UK due to negotiations between the UK and the EU on the European Health Certificate required for exporting bait.
Why can't we ship bait to the EU?
Bait types such as boilies, pellets and ground baits require a European Health Certificate to be exported because it currently falls in the same category as animal feed. Before it can be used, it must first undergo extensive and high-cost testing and be certified by a veterinarian. Unfortunately, the UK-EU Trade Agreement affects the fishing industry as a whole as well as individual anglers. Together with bait manufacturers like CC Moore, Dynamite Baits and Mainline Baits, Angling Direct has had to stop all bait orders because we currently have no option to ship these orders to the EU.
Can customers in the EU still order other products from AD?
The only products that cannot be shipped at this time are products with natural ingredients, such as baits (boilies, pellets, etc.). Lures are excluded and can still be shipped. To reassure our European customers, the UK-EU Trade Agreement has no effect on our ability to ship most products to European countries and nothing has changed for our customers and their purchasing conditions.
How long does it take before we can ship bait to the EU?
We are currently waiting for an adjustment in the classification for the European Health Certificate. Angling Direct keeps a close eye on all developments between the European Commission and the United Kingdom. We hope that a further classification or a change in Health Certificate regulations will be established before we can resume exporting bait to our customers in the EU.
How will this affect UK fishermen?
This gap in the UK-EU Trade Agreement also affects anglers traveling from the UK to EU countries. Mark Owen, Head of Freshwater at the Angling Trust, said: “To our knowledge, it seems that the current situation is also affecting fishermen who want to bring bait from England to fish in Europe. When the Covid travel restrictions are lifted, they too will have to provide a European Health Certificate if requested. “
What is Angling Direct doing while we wait?
We will be posting on the bait sales pages of the European websites to alert people that we currently do not sell or ship bait to countries outside the UK.
While Angling Direct is currently unable to provide bait to its European customers, there are plenty of tackle items we can deliver to your front door, from fishing rods to lures.
Andy Torrance, CEO of Angling Direct commented:
“We are proud of the long-standing contacts we have had with our bait suppliers and it is frustrating for them and for us that we are currently unable to ship our fantastic products to you, our customers. find a solution and as General Manager of Angling Direct I will do everything I can to help. We hope to provide you with bait again soon. "
Where can I find more information?
The good news is that most of the parties involved in the fishing industry have joined forces to work on a solution.
Organizations such as the UK Angling Trust and manufacturers such as Dynamite Baits and Mainline Baits are currently working hard to clarify the UK-EU Trade Agreement which in practice means that UK fishermen cannot bring bait on fishing holidays to Europe and that the export of bait is made more difficult.
Jamie Cook, CEO of the Angling Trust:
"I asked my team within the Angling Trust to work with the fishing industry to help the European Commission come to different insights."
We would like to take this opportunity to thank all our European customers for their support during this difficult transition in UK-EU trade relations.
In reply to Post #330
Very interesting post and lots of talking points. I think the acrimony you mentioned is a contributing factor...the French have got a cob on because of Brexit and until they wake up to the reality that Brexit really has happend they will continue in their charactaristic intransigent way. The fact is that there are bones of contention that need to be addressed on both sides of the Channel. Commercial fishing is a case in point. France is the commercial fishing industry's major market and they like our shellfish in particular. They also don't like the fact that their boats are not allowed within 12 miles of the UK coast...so why were these two there earlier this morning (and they are still fishing in that general area). The two little arrows are the French trawlers Daytona and Testa Rosa and they have been fishing inside the 12-mile limit since leaving Roscoff yesterday evening. They are blatantly breaking the rules but you can be sure that were we to try to get our bait (boilies) into France via their customs we would be nicked and our bait confiscated.
French boats this morning.
Very interesting post and lots of talking points. I think the acrimony you mentioned is a contributing factor...the French have got a cob on because of Brexit and until they wake up to the reality that Brexit really has happend they will continue in their charactaristic intransigent way. The fact is that there are bones of contention that need to be addressed on both sides of the Channel. Commercial fishing is a case in point. France is the commercial fishing industry's major market and they like our shellfish in particular. They also don't like the fact that their boats are not allowed within 12 miles of the UK coast...so why were these two there earlier this morning (and they are still fishing in that general area). The two little arrows are the French trawlers Daytona and Testa Rosa and they have been fishing inside the 12-mile limit since leaving Roscoff yesterday evening. They are blatantly breaking the rules but you can be sure that were we to try to get our bait (boilies) into France via their customs we would be nicked and our bait confiscated.
French boats this morning.
In reply to Post #331
Tbh, it's a mess. You've had Dutch companies buying up UK sea fishing fleets to access UK waters/additional quotas. The French using ‘super dredgers' that take everything on the sea bed. And the Tories have accepted a one way street where the EU checks UK exports but not vice versa - scuppering seafood exports from Scotland, The West Country etc. Brits don't eat many herring, langoustines and / or mussels - the Dutch & French do. Seems to have been the cost of ending ‘free movement'. The EU will now try and make an example of the UK so other countries don't follow suit & leave. M&S in Paris currently has a third of its normal stock & Percy Pig's banned from travel, until he has the right paperwork
I don't know what the value of the EU carp bait market is to the likes of Sticky, Mainline, CC Moore, Dynamite etc. but as others have said, they'll do the maths and see if it's worth the additional paperwork/costs. Rob Hughes sounded confident about a solution on Carp Cast 107. He mentioned using couriers to transport bait but that's a no no at the moment and even lures / terminal bits are taking 4weeks instead of 4days to get here (NL). Spoke to Gio at MonkeyClimber mag in Belgium, he rec'd Dope Bait Company or Carpelicious, as good bait suppliers on this side of the North Sea. Biggest French company would be Sensas brand StarBaits but I'll either stick with my UK supplier or use a Dutch rolling co. Frolic's still widely available : )
Anyway, our (non-food) goods were stuck in a warehouse for 3weeks before the transport company had a truck and the paperwork sorted, they have now got to Holland. EU exports are 40% down according to today's news. And the EU want to install CCTV on all fishing boats (according to reports in Holland) which has caused an uproar here. Always enjoyed your exploits in 'International Carper'.
Tbh, it's a mess. You've had Dutch companies buying up UK sea fishing fleets to access UK waters/additional quotas. The French using ‘super dredgers' that take everything on the sea bed. And the Tories have accepted a one way street where the EU checks UK exports but not vice versa - scuppering seafood exports from Scotland, The West Country etc. Brits don't eat many herring, langoustines and / or mussels - the Dutch & French do. Seems to have been the cost of ending ‘free movement'. The EU will now try and make an example of the UK so other countries don't follow suit & leave. M&S in Paris currently has a third of its normal stock & Percy Pig's banned from travel, until he has the right paperwork
I don't know what the value of the EU carp bait market is to the likes of Sticky, Mainline, CC Moore, Dynamite etc. but as others have said, they'll do the maths and see if it's worth the additional paperwork/costs. Rob Hughes sounded confident about a solution on Carp Cast 107. He mentioned using couriers to transport bait but that's a no no at the moment and even lures / terminal bits are taking 4weeks instead of 4days to get here (NL). Spoke to Gio at MonkeyClimber mag in Belgium, he rec'd Dope Bait Company or Carpelicious, as good bait suppliers on this side of the North Sea. Biggest French company would be Sensas brand StarBaits but I'll either stick with my UK supplier or use a Dutch rolling co. Frolic's still widely available : )
Anyway, our (non-food) goods were stuck in a warehouse for 3weeks before the transport company had a truck and the paperwork sorted, they have now got to Holland. EU exports are 40% down according to today's news. And the EU want to install CCTV on all fishing boats (according to reports in Holland) which has caused an uproar here. Always enjoyed your exploits in 'International Carper'.
In reply to Post #331
it's a little bit worse than that Ken, Bait, pop ups,all dips and liquids, pellet and any form of feed will be confiscated, if you try to hide it, it's smuggling and carries a fine of 1000 euros and for good measure if they think you are taking the piss as to where you have hidden it your passport will be listed as trying to smuggle contraband, now that produces some real problems like trying to get into the USA and some other countries,
it's a little bit worse than that Ken, Bait, pop ups,all dips and liquids, pellet and any form of feed will be confiscated, if you try to hide it, it's smuggling and carries a fine of 1000 euros and for good measure if they think you are taking the piss as to where you have hidden it your passport will be listed as trying to smuggle contraband, now that produces some real problems like trying to get into the USA and some other countries,
In reply to Post #333
The truth of the matter is that anglers bait is no more than a peripheral part of the overall food imports to France and I doubt very much if the EU will change the rules to accommodate anglers. The rules are exactly those that the UK were happy to vote on when they were part of the EU but unfortunately fall foul of now that they have opted to leave. No new rules have been applied due to Brexit it is just that we are now in the position that we voted for. For my part, I am having good quality boilies rolled to my spec in Ireland and France instead of the UK rolled baits we have used for a couple of years. No change in quality or price I am pleased to say. I think the safest bet is for anglers visiting France to arrange baits to be available at the French end, either from the lake or from the many manufacturers now touting for business.
The truth of the matter is that anglers bait is no more than a peripheral part of the overall food imports to France and I doubt very much if the EU will change the rules to accommodate anglers. The rules are exactly those that the UK were happy to vote on when they were part of the EU but unfortunately fall foul of now that they have opted to leave. No new rules have been applied due to Brexit it is just that we are now in the position that we voted for. For my part, I am having good quality boilies rolled to my spec in Ireland and France instead of the UK rolled baits we have used for a couple of years. No change in quality or price I am pleased to say. I think the safest bet is for anglers visiting France to arrange baits to be available at the French end, either from the lake or from the many manufacturers now touting for business.