In reply to Post #267
While I wouldn't begrudge Nhs workers who actually worked with the threat of and to treat covid (Many didn't), food chain workers, teachers and the police a pay review.. Should it be put on ice until we know how many others are left destitute when furlough ends and redundancies come en masse? Just a thought
While I wouldn't begrudge Nhs workers who actually worked with the threat of and to treat covid (Many didn't), food chain workers, teachers and the police a pay review.. Should it be put on ice until we know how many others are left destitute when furlough ends and redundancies come en masse? Just a thought
In reply to Post #271
I think you'd find support from a lot of teachers on that noj...
Unlike this tw*t
https://youtu.be/-4gZObbkhNY - Boris, 'morally indefensible to not open schools'
A lesson on morality from this man? Do me a favour.
I think you'd find support from a lot of teachers on that noj...
Unlike this tw*t
https://youtu.be/-4gZObbkhNY - Boris, 'morally indefensible to not open schools'
A lesson on morality from this man? Do me a favour.
In reply to Post #272
Am I reading your right Mal are you saying teachers are or are not due a hefty pay rise?
I don't know about your school but in my missus school teachers have mostly been taking it easy since lockdown.
My eldest daughter is a primary school teacher she holds some Zoom calls but doesn't leave the house much.
Also what's wrong with that report. Surely you agree that schools should reopen
Am I reading your right Mal are you saying teachers are or are not due a hefty pay rise?
I don't know about your school but in my missus school teachers have mostly been taking it easy since lockdown.
My eldest daughter is a primary school teacher she holds some Zoom calls but doesn't leave the house much.
Also what's wrong with that report. Surely you agree that schools should reopen
In reply to Post #271
You know why they won't give Nurses a pay rise...because it means when it all gets sold off and privatised the hope is that they'll be for it rather than against it because they'll actually get paid properly. All part of the bigger plan for selling it off to the states.
You know why they won't give Nurses a pay rise...because it means when it all gets sold off and privatised the hope is that they'll be for it rather than against it because they'll actually get paid properly. All part of the bigger plan for selling it off to the states.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/10/blue-marlin-sportfishing-conservation
Good article for anyone interested. As a member of The Billfish Foundation for decades it makes my blood boil these big money tournaments. Got it totally wrong in my view.
Edit: Sorry can't post links
Good article for anyone interested. As a member of The Billfish Foundation for decades it makes my blood boil these big money tournaments. Got it totally wrong in my view.
Edit: Sorry can't post links
In reply to Post #273
I was saying that a lot of teachers would probably say the same as noj. Let's wait and see what the country looks like in a while and wait for the public sector pay rise. Different story for NHS AND care staff imho who I think are deserving of a rise right now.
The pay rise is being touted as just over 3 per cent but this is an average. I think it is about 2.7 for experienced teachers and 5.5 for new starters. There's been a recruitment problem in teaching for a while now, and with more older teachers getting sick of the way successive governments treat them, a lot leaving the profession, so I can see why they want to incentivise things for new teachers. As said, for me, it could wait as I'm sure I'm not the only one who just feels grateful for being in a job amid all this.
As for the Boris article it's the phrasing that's insulting. As I said, he's the last person who gets to tell teachers about morals given his track record. I could go into more detail but there is a lot about it that winds me up and it's already too hot and sticky here
Have a good day man
I was saying that a lot of teachers would probably say the same as noj. Let's wait and see what the country looks like in a while and wait for the public sector pay rise. Different story for NHS AND care staff imho who I think are deserving of a rise right now.
The pay rise is being touted as just over 3 per cent but this is an average. I think it is about 2.7 for experienced teachers and 5.5 for new starters. There's been a recruitment problem in teaching for a while now, and with more older teachers getting sick of the way successive governments treat them, a lot leaving the profession, so I can see why they want to incentivise things for new teachers. As said, for me, it could wait as I'm sure I'm not the only one who just feels grateful for being in a job amid all this.
As for the Boris article it's the phrasing that's insulting. As I said, he's the last person who gets to tell teachers about morals given his track record. I could go into more detail but there is a lot about it that winds me up and it's already too hot and sticky here
Have a good day man
In reply to Post #276
Thanks for clearing that up
As we both know what we post is not always how it is read by others but you and me have a fairly good track record in getting it sorted without insulting each other (you hippy is a term of endearment )
Whatever the words Boris choices getting the kids back to school is important IMO and if it's a risk to the economy then it's a risk worth taking.
Thanks for clearing that up
As we both know what we post is not always how it is read by others but you and me have a fairly good track record in getting it sorted without insulting each other (you hippy is a term of endearment )
Whatever the words Boris choices getting the kids back to school is important IMO and if it's a risk to the economy then it's a risk worth taking.
In reply to Post #274
And plus it's less attractive to private firms as they would have to pay the staff the same higher wages under TUPE when they transfer over!
And plus it's less attractive to private firms as they would have to pay the staff the same higher wages under TUPE when they transfer over!
In reply to Post #276
The salary on offer to entice people into the teaching profession is garbage. You'll not get the best people to educate our kid's and that's the future prosperity of this country being risked. Will 5.5% make a big difference?
The salary on offer to entice people into the teaching profession is garbage. You'll not get the best people to educate our kid's and that's the future prosperity of this country being risked. Will 5.5% make a big difference?
In reply to Post #279
Or you could put it another way people who become teachers are driven by the actual job rather than just do it for the money?
Or you could put it another way people who become teachers are driven by the actual job rather than just do it for the money?
In reply to Post #280
Does that make them the best for the role?
Does that make them the best for the role?
In reply to Post #279
That's a fair point but you could also argue that some potentially really good teachers never went into it because the starting salary was low. I suppose the truth is that you'll always get some people who do it for the wrong reasons. They don't always stick it out though...
I came to teaching a bit older and effectively took a 10 grand per year pay cut to do it - but the money wasn't the key thing for me.
5.5 per cent on 25000 is 1375 per year. After tax and NI it's maybe enough for a short holiday I guess.
That's a fair point but you could also argue that some potentially really good teachers never went into it because the starting salary was low. I suppose the truth is that you'll always get some people who do it for the wrong reasons. They don't always stick it out though...
I came to teaching a bit older and effectively took a 10 grand per year pay cut to do it - but the money wasn't the key thing for me.
5.5 per cent on 25000 is 1375 per year. After tax and NI it's maybe enough for a short holiday I guess.
In reply to Post #282
Exactly, we're expecting the system to turn out geniuses by people on security guard wages.
Exactly, we're expecting the system to turn out geniuses by people on security guard wages.
In reply to Post #281
I'd say a person who wants to become a teacher because they care about teaching would be better than a highly qualified person who's main reason for becoming a teacher is for the money.
That's only my opinion, Mal is better placed to answer.
I'd say a person who wants to become a teacher because they care about teaching would be better than a highly qualified person who's main reason for becoming a teacher is for the money.
That's only my opinion, Mal is better placed to answer.
In reply to Post #284
Jesus H no wonder Keebs threw his hand in
Jesus H no wonder Keebs threw his hand in