In reply to Post #2640
Black on Black gang violence, ohh the irony.
Black on Black gang violence, ohh the irony.
In reply to Post #2641
She's into politics, as extreme as her views are, I don't believe she's part of a gang dispute in SE London. But I do wonder what a mother of young kids from Oxford is doing at a house party in Peckham at 3am with gang bangers..
The community won't help the police, unfortunately people do often get hit in crossfire because these kids often don't have the balls to stand toe to toe, or they'd be using a blade.
Cowardly behaviour but deadly for anyone mixing in the wrong circles at parties and clubs in inner cities.
Like my mate says (who is black) it's about time black people realised Black Lives Matter, because the middle class white Waitrose customers at the rallies can't do much to change street issues.
Ever wonder why so many deserving causes have gone unnoticed over the years, yet one as divisive in name, aims and actions as BLM gets global media recognition?
She's into politics, as extreme as her views are, I don't believe she's part of a gang dispute in SE London. But I do wonder what a mother of young kids from Oxford is doing at a house party in Peckham at 3am with gang bangers..
The community won't help the police, unfortunately people do often get hit in crossfire because these kids often don't have the balls to stand toe to toe, or they'd be using a blade.
Cowardly behaviour but deadly for anyone mixing in the wrong circles at parties and clubs in inner cities.
Like my mate says (who is black) it's about time black people realised Black Lives Matter, because the middle class white Waitrose customers at the rallies can't do much to change street issues.
Ever wonder why so many deserving causes have gone unnoticed over the years, yet one as divisive in name, aims and actions as BLM gets global media recognition?
In reply to Post #2642
I hope she pulls through - for the sake of her kids. And maybe learns a lesson about putting herself in dangerous situations. I thought the same thing - ' why the hell was she there?' maybe more will come out about that. she's said some questionable things - although if you change her gender and colour, and the word 'white' for 'black' and go back a few years, she'd probably have a bloody statue erected somewhere by now. regardless - she doesn't deserve this - nobody does for having a strong opinion, however misguided their 'tweets' might be.
some of the posts on social media are just vile. and depressingly, not at all surprising.
some other things to consider...
not all gang members are black. I know the Daily Mail - and those who read it / have it read to them - might say otherwise, but gun / knife / violent gang crime is more often drug related (county lines and the like) than a race issue. it's an ugly truth that people are happy to ignore. look at the demographic of the uk carp angling fraternity. mostly white male - a lot of whom are more than happy to wear their casual 'recreational pastime' as a badge of childish honour - not giving a toss about the background to where their 'gear' comes from.... just saying
the extreme political faction of the BLM movement don't speak for the many millions who support the underlying philosophy of equality and redressing the balance in systemic racism. They don't speak for me in the same way that the IRA didn't speak for many who supported the idea of Irish republicanism. As for the publicity - maybe it suits a pre-existing agenda to throw a spotlight on those divisive aspects of the BLM movement...? global support for the positive message - media scrutiny of the bits that keep the white 'right'? wouldn't be the first time that history was written with a bias would it?
your mate makes a good point. although maybe it's worth considering that black on black violence is often about fighting over the scraps as opposed to the systemic oppression of one race by another.
i'll await the typical no-brain responses and name calling of course. ducks back / water to be honest. Black Lives Matter to me and I don't need the approval of the noisy mob.
1 year (25th May) on from George Floyd's murder and we've still a long way to go.
I hope she pulls through - for the sake of her kids. And maybe learns a lesson about putting herself in dangerous situations. I thought the same thing - ' why the hell was she there?' maybe more will come out about that. she's said some questionable things - although if you change her gender and colour, and the word 'white' for 'black' and go back a few years, she'd probably have a bloody statue erected somewhere by now. regardless - she doesn't deserve this - nobody does for having a strong opinion, however misguided their 'tweets' might be.
some of the posts on social media are just vile. and depressingly, not at all surprising.
some other things to consider...
not all gang members are black. I know the Daily Mail - and those who read it / have it read to them - might say otherwise, but gun / knife / violent gang crime is more often drug related (county lines and the like) than a race issue. it's an ugly truth that people are happy to ignore. look at the demographic of the uk carp angling fraternity. mostly white male - a lot of whom are more than happy to wear their casual 'recreational pastime' as a badge of childish honour - not giving a toss about the background to where their 'gear' comes from.... just saying
the extreme political faction of the BLM movement don't speak for the many millions who support the underlying philosophy of equality and redressing the balance in systemic racism. They don't speak for me in the same way that the IRA didn't speak for many who supported the idea of Irish republicanism. As for the publicity - maybe it suits a pre-existing agenda to throw a spotlight on those divisive aspects of the BLM movement...? global support for the positive message - media scrutiny of the bits that keep the white 'right'? wouldn't be the first time that history was written with a bias would it?
your mate makes a good point. although maybe it's worth considering that black on black violence is often about fighting over the scraps as opposed to the systemic oppression of one race by another.
i'll await the typical no-brain responses and name calling of course. ducks back / water to be honest. Black Lives Matter to me and I don't need the approval of the noisy mob.
1 year (25th May) on from George Floyd's murder and we've still a long way to go.
In reply to Post #2643
Those who have it read to them
Conversely, the guardian would have us believe gang members learned to cook (coke~crack) to buy their younger siblings school shoes and carry a weapon for protection in their enterprise. In reality they are little ****s with nothing better to do than maim and kill in the name of a postcode or estate. I know there will be those hustling out of necessity, but often that necessity is a pair of yeezys or a moncler coat
Guns, and bullets, don't come cheap and if people were that impoverished they wouldn't be spraying blind into a crowd.
You know where I stand mate, but I think it's all being done completely wrong. Stop showing kids reformed wrong uns turned mc/presenter etc. and show them genuine success through honest hard work and discipline
Those who have it read to them
Conversely, the guardian would have us believe gang members learned to cook (coke~crack) to buy their younger siblings school shoes and carry a weapon for protection in their enterprise. In reality they are little ****s with nothing better to do than maim and kill in the name of a postcode or estate. I know there will be those hustling out of necessity, but often that necessity is a pair of yeezys or a moncler coat
Guns, and bullets, don't come cheap and if people were that impoverished they wouldn't be spraying blind into a crowd.
You know where I stand mate, but I think it's all being done completely wrong. Stop showing kids reformed wrong uns turned mc/presenter etc. and show them genuine success through honest hard work and discipline
In reply to Post #2642
it's about time black people realised Black Lives Matter, because the middle class white Waitrose customers at the rallies can't do much to change street issues.
Well said
It's the culture that they are living in that needs to be broken down. Starts with the parents and then their lifestyles, hanging round in inner city gangs, or on street corners, no ambition other than a desire to be a rap star or a sports star and the sad reality is turning into a drug dealer or user to be part of the “image”, not many options and like I have said before, it starts at school, getting an education then a job and that is well off the radar for most, no interest for most whatsoever as I see it. Not part of the lifestyle and not part of the culture
In simple terms who would employ somebody with no education, or skills set. Money makes the world go round, that's how our society works, you have to integrate into it or you get what you get. It is that simple. A lot of people cannot. Guess what, they need to!
I agree Noj, it starts at home first and the only people who can make the radical changes are themselves, far too easy to blame others all the time. It's the lifestyle they are living. While ever our society is dictated by education or skills and then work it will dictate what we get. People need to be part of it and accept it, that's a key point!
Or we can hang on for equal status where we all get a ration book of equal proportions then we can all sit around, smoke dope, get pissed and blame the government for everything that happens in our **** lives
Seriously, I would like to see the exam results (if they have any) of these drug dealers and murderers and get some stats together. I will guarantee there will be a distinct pattern and that is not going to school (parents) and not giving a **** at school because of the attitudes and lack of desire to integrate into our society, I bet the majority of them think they are “bigger” than school
Won't be long before we see a teacher either stabbed or shot by some drug scum at school, put your money on it and the sad thing will be that this might start a radical change!
They need to up the sentences as a deterrent too, age is just a number with a lot of these teens, they know exactly what they are going. Carrying a gun, it's 10 years, carrying a knife or other offensive weapon it's 5. That should send the message out loud and clear. Use them and kill somebody it's life and that means 25 years inside
I watched a podcast the other day with an ex criminal from Liverpool, he was a black lad and had been in a lot of trouble in his life and he started to talk about kids in these areas today and how they have no respect for anybody or anything. He admitted that he used to be a violent man when he was younger but it had got to the stage where they would think nothing of playing on their Xbox nowadays, going out and killing somebody and then go back home to play on their Xbox as if nothing had happened! Mental, and it's the culture!
it's about time black people realised Black Lives Matter, because the middle class white Waitrose customers at the rallies can't do much to change street issues.
Well said
It's the culture that they are living in that needs to be broken down. Starts with the parents and then their lifestyles, hanging round in inner city gangs, or on street corners, no ambition other than a desire to be a rap star or a sports star and the sad reality is turning into a drug dealer or user to be part of the “image”, not many options and like I have said before, it starts at school, getting an education then a job and that is well off the radar for most, no interest for most whatsoever as I see it. Not part of the lifestyle and not part of the culture
In simple terms who would employ somebody with no education, or skills set. Money makes the world go round, that's how our society works, you have to integrate into it or you get what you get. It is that simple. A lot of people cannot. Guess what, they need to!
I agree Noj, it starts at home first and the only people who can make the radical changes are themselves, far too easy to blame others all the time. It's the lifestyle they are living. While ever our society is dictated by education or skills and then work it will dictate what we get. People need to be part of it and accept it, that's a key point!
Or we can hang on for equal status where we all get a ration book of equal proportions then we can all sit around, smoke dope, get pissed and blame the government for everything that happens in our **** lives
Seriously, I would like to see the exam results (if they have any) of these drug dealers and murderers and get some stats together. I will guarantee there will be a distinct pattern and that is not going to school (parents) and not giving a **** at school because of the attitudes and lack of desire to integrate into our society, I bet the majority of them think they are “bigger” than school
Won't be long before we see a teacher either stabbed or shot by some drug scum at school, put your money on it and the sad thing will be that this might start a radical change!
They need to up the sentences as a deterrent too, age is just a number with a lot of these teens, they know exactly what they are going. Carrying a gun, it's 10 years, carrying a knife or other offensive weapon it's 5. That should send the message out loud and clear. Use them and kill somebody it's life and that means 25 years inside
I watched a podcast the other day with an ex criminal from Liverpool, he was a black lad and had been in a lot of trouble in his life and he started to talk about kids in these areas today and how they have no respect for anybody or anything. He admitted that he used to be a violent man when he was younger but it had got to the stage where they would think nothing of playing on their Xbox nowadays, going out and killing somebody and then go back home to play on their Xbox as if nothing had happened! Mental, and it's the culture!
In reply to Post #2645
A few points mate. It's a mindset these kids have, it's not their culture. I've got enough West Indian and African mates to know that their parents often push education so hard they either excel or rebel.. These are problems, like Mal said, which aren't racial. It's poverty and lack of opportunity.
We're overpopulated, on a little island and crammed into little cities among sprawling green pasture which the umpteenth generation farmers don't want to grow as communities. So they end up with middle class holiday villages and big empty grey houses made of tin and bifolding doors.
You go a few miles in London, there's little private schools where mainly white and Asian kids go. There are less pupils who live in bigger houses with bigger home and school grounds. They will generally be dropped off in a Tesla/range/Aston/Porsche/lambo... Then you look at the bus stop for free schools from the flats and houses where it's possible to live, stacked on top of and next to each other, 90% of them are black kids and the white ones speak jaFaican pRatois to get accepted. (Even with a degree I worry these clowns won't be employable unless they sort that **** out. It's ridiculous)
End result..... great crime figures to push certain agendas forward annually because all these people are crammed onto postage stamps that can't afford a lick of it. So drugs and petty crime pay the bills, keep the prisons ticking over and keep g4s or whoever is running the jails right now looking rosy on the markets!
Try searching with what you pay for your mortgage but in even a **** part of London, renting a 2 bed that often houses a family of 4. It's not always possible to have more than a roof over your head and food on an average income, so what happens when angry kids need ****? They take it, and these ****s want/need it more than you so you could be brown bread if they don't get it.
There just aren't enough jobs and homes for everyone to have it. The country needs developing on big time or mass executions of ****s... I'm up for being the judge, jury and executioner for that
Stop making everyone hate each other, stop talking like idiots, make sure engineering and trades don't die because everyone is an ‘influencer' or activist, stop class A drugs getting in, invade Cornwall and free Mary Jane
Peace
Edit. Jail isn't a deterrent, these kids have either been or are not concerned about going. They live in **** anyway
A few points mate. It's a mindset these kids have, it's not their culture. I've got enough West Indian and African mates to know that their parents often push education so hard they either excel or rebel.. These are problems, like Mal said, which aren't racial. It's poverty and lack of opportunity.
We're overpopulated, on a little island and crammed into little cities among sprawling green pasture which the umpteenth generation farmers don't want to grow as communities. So they end up with middle class holiday villages and big empty grey houses made of tin and bifolding doors.
You go a few miles in London, there's little private schools where mainly white and Asian kids go. There are less pupils who live in bigger houses with bigger home and school grounds. They will generally be dropped off in a Tesla/range/Aston/Porsche/lambo... Then you look at the bus stop for free schools from the flats and houses where it's possible to live, stacked on top of and next to each other, 90% of them are black kids and the white ones speak jaFaican pRatois to get accepted. (Even with a degree I worry these clowns won't be employable unless they sort that **** out. It's ridiculous)
End result..... great crime figures to push certain agendas forward annually because all these people are crammed onto postage stamps that can't afford a lick of it. So drugs and petty crime pay the bills, keep the prisons ticking over and keep g4s or whoever is running the jails right now looking rosy on the markets!
Try searching with what you pay for your mortgage but in even a **** part of London, renting a 2 bed that often houses a family of 4. It's not always possible to have more than a roof over your head and food on an average income, so what happens when angry kids need ****? They take it, and these ****s want/need it more than you so you could be brown bread if they don't get it.
There just aren't enough jobs and homes for everyone to have it. The country needs developing on big time or mass executions of ****s... I'm up for being the judge, jury and executioner for that
Stop making everyone hate each other, stop talking like idiots, make sure engineering and trades don't die because everyone is an ‘influencer' or activist, stop class A drugs getting in, invade Cornwall and free Mary Jane
Peace
Edit. Jail isn't a deterrent, these kids have either been or are not concerned about going. They live in **** anyway
In reply to Post #2646
some very good points in there mate
I watched a really interesting - and infuriating - programme the other night about ESN - educationally subnormal - schools and how black children were treated through the 60's / 70's even up to the 80's
for those who like to 'blame the parents', this is eye opening. happened in our lifetime - spanned a period where many of us were at school - so potentially the parents / maybe grandparents of the youth of today
the programme is well worth a watch on iPlayer
this is what systemic looks like....
some very good points in there mate
I watched a really interesting - and infuriating - programme the other night about ESN - educationally subnormal - schools and how black children were treated through the 60's / 70's even up to the 80's
for those who like to 'blame the parents', this is eye opening. happened in our lifetime - spanned a period where many of us were at school - so potentially the parents / maybe grandparents of the youth of today
the programme is well worth a watch on iPlayer
this is what systemic looks like....
In reply to Post #2646
Depends on your interpretation of culture, one here: the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society
Agree with a lot of that
There just aren't enough jobs and homes for everyone to have it
Exactly that for me but people have to try and make themselves employable, the right attitude is everything for starters not the ones speaking jaFaican pRatois as you put it
My daughter struggled with the education, the reality is hard but she will get what she gets if she does not do something about it. same for everybody. That's the sad reality and while ever employment demands educational qualifications and certain skills people are going nowhere unless they do something about it
Depends on your interpretation of culture, one here: the ideas, customs, and social behaviour of a particular people or society
Agree with a lot of that
There just aren't enough jobs and homes for everyone to have it
Exactly that for me but people have to try and make themselves employable, the right attitude is everything for starters not the ones speaking jaFaican pRatois as you put it
My daughter struggled with the education, the reality is hard but she will get what she gets if she does not do something about it. same for everybody. That's the sad reality and while ever employment demands educational qualifications and certain skills people are going nowhere unless they do something about it
I see them ****s up north still ain't got their vaccines........ 
In reply to Post #2649
had yours yet Wayne?
had yours yet Wayne?
In reply to Post #2649
Had mine and I'm a Northern ****
Had mine and I'm a Northern ****
In reply to Post #2646
It is in their culture, there are now sub cultures in the big cities, with their own language and an outlook on life so different to the norm that they are and will in time evolve into a sub species.
The only way you can stop it is to stop the scum breeding, one day long in the future it will happen.
It is in their culture, there are now sub cultures in the big cities, with their own language and an outlook on life so different to the norm that they are and will in time evolve into a sub species.
The only way you can stop it is to stop the scum breeding, one day long in the future it will happen.
In reply to Post #2643
Chairman Mal,
This is the bit I like,
"i'll await the typical no-brain responses and name calling of course. ducks back / water to be honest. Black Lives Matter to me and I don't need the approval of the noisy mob"
There is a term for it but for the life of me I cant remember what it's called. Basically it's about getting your retaliation in first, anyone who disagrees is wrong and stupid etc etc. It's a way of shutting down the conversation, trying to control the moral high ground and shame any responder (it doesn't work with me)
It's a tactic/trait found in those who feel under threat and is something you can see everyday in the WOKE and Left community . (and in the rise of Nazi Germany)
I'm not surprised you're a teacher, you display some very strong/worrying controlling traits even in print.
The noisy mob are the majority, I'm not a Daily Mail reader, never have been. Haven't bought a paper in years in fact but that doesn't stop me knowing what you are.
Playing you at your own game, my son in law is Black.
Chairman Mal,
This is the bit I like,
"i'll await the typical no-brain responses and name calling of course. ducks back / water to be honest. Black Lives Matter to me and I don't need the approval of the noisy mob"
There is a term for it but for the life of me I cant remember what it's called. Basically it's about getting your retaliation in first, anyone who disagrees is wrong and stupid etc etc. It's a way of shutting down the conversation, trying to control the moral high ground and shame any responder (it doesn't work with me)
It's a tactic/trait found in those who feel under threat and is something you can see everyday in the WOKE and Left community . (and in the rise of Nazi Germany)
I'm not surprised you're a teacher, you display some very strong/worrying controlling traits even in print.
The noisy mob are the majority, I'm not a Daily Mail reader, never have been. Haven't bought a paper in years in fact but that doesn't stop me knowing what you are.
Playing you at your own game, my son in law is Black.
In reply to Post #2652
That, or the people living in a perpetual hovis advert will realise it's not 1973 anymore?
Never had you down for eugenics or ethnic cleansing but I'm not surprised.
Appreciate the educational about city life, I've only lived in the capital for my entire life.
That, or the people living in a perpetual hovis advert will realise it's not 1973 anymore?
Never had you down for eugenics or ethnic cleansing but I'm not surprised.
Appreciate the educational about city life, I've only lived in the capital for my entire life.
In reply to Post #2654
PMSL, I cant see where I was trying to educate you about city life?
Of course you are the only person to ever live in or visit a city
The ethnic cleansing bit is just funny, but yep in for a penny in for a pound with you being "the judge ,jury and executioner"
PMSL, I cant see where I was trying to educate you about city life?
Of course you are the only person to ever live in or visit a city
The ethnic cleansing bit is just funny, but yep in for a penny in for a pound with you being "the judge ,jury and executioner"