**** me are people still talking about this........it's a fish FFS....... 
In reply to Post #147
Yes, pretty sensible rules. Lots of them, but all seem reasonable on a quick read through. Boating and swimming are banned. I wonder how he got to the island in question while staying within the rules? I doubt Mainline stumped up for a helicopter...
Yes, pretty sensible rules. Lots of them, but all seem reasonable on a quick read through. Boating and swimming are banned. I wonder how he got to the island in question while staying within the rules? I doubt Mainline stumped up for a helicopter...
Been a stroke pullers water for years.
Two respected anglers I know we're on there 4/5 years ago and could not compete due to the constant and blatant rule breaking, particularly by 2 very well known high-profile Carpers. They made their feelings known, were ignored so made the decision to leave.
Two respected anglers I know we're on there 4/5 years ago and could not compete due to the constant and blatant rule breaking, particularly by 2 very well known high-profile Carpers. They made their feelings known, were ignored so made the decision to leave.
In reply to Post #154
Stroke pulling occurs everywhere, and is done by many in different guises. There is a line in the sand and some things are deemed to be OK to go over that line, others are not. On my water, Fishing gaps in the reeds is OK, cutting out swims is not. Fishing every tiger nut marketed product is OK, but don't put a tiger nut in it's purest form in the water. You must use "specimen" gear if fishing for specimens. Well, my landing net isn't 42', I use a rigid frame 32 to land fish in front of the pads in certain swims. That is for the fishes benefit and a blind eye is turned to that. Braid is not allowed, but some will use it Pike fishing due to the improved bite sensitivity, which stops deep hooked Pike.
My only issue with any episode like this is when it's done for an advantage which is going to result in some form of monetary gain. Many say this does not effect us, however I'd argue in the long run it does. These captures cost money in consultant wages, magazine articles and price hikes on tackle. Some writers are getting into three figures for a four page feature article, and people wonder why they're paying over a fiver for magazines.
Not exactly the same, but using Keebs example, image spending years training for a cycling event. You do things clean. Matey over there is in the same race, but he is using a substance which is not yet traceable by testing, and it doesn't come out til years later when matey admits he was on it prior to it's banning. How would you feel? It is not a level playing field. It's not 11 Vs 11. It's not two fighters of the same weight in the cage, it's not a bunch of four legged dogs on a track. There is underhand shenanigans, yet to some, it's kosher....until it effects them.
On a water near me, one silly sausage put articles out about fishing at range with tapered line and publicised the captures. Instant ban. He kept it quiet funnily enough, merely saying that it was "circumstances out of his control" or something like that. It's hilarious
Stroke pulling occurs everywhere, and is done by many in different guises. There is a line in the sand and some things are deemed to be OK to go over that line, others are not. On my water, Fishing gaps in the reeds is OK, cutting out swims is not. Fishing every tiger nut marketed product is OK, but don't put a tiger nut in it's purest form in the water. You must use "specimen" gear if fishing for specimens. Well, my landing net isn't 42', I use a rigid frame 32 to land fish in front of the pads in certain swims. That is for the fishes benefit and a blind eye is turned to that. Braid is not allowed, but some will use it Pike fishing due to the improved bite sensitivity, which stops deep hooked Pike.
My only issue with any episode like this is when it's done for an advantage which is going to result in some form of monetary gain. Many say this does not effect us, however I'd argue in the long run it does. These captures cost money in consultant wages, magazine articles and price hikes on tackle. Some writers are getting into three figures for a four page feature article, and people wonder why they're paying over a fiver for magazines.
Not exactly the same, but using Keebs example, image spending years training for a cycling event. You do things clean. Matey over there is in the same race, but he is using a substance which is not yet traceable by testing, and it doesn't come out til years later when matey admits he was on it prior to it's banning. How would you feel? It is not a level playing field. It's not 11 Vs 11. It's not two fighters of the same weight in the cage, it's not a bunch of four legged dogs on a track. There is underhand shenanigans, yet to some, it's kosher....until it effects them.
On a water near me, one silly sausage put articles out about fishing at range with tapered line and publicised the captures. Instant ban. He kept it quiet funnily enough, merely saying that it was "circumstances out of his control" or something like that. It's hilarious
In reply to Post #155
Imo there is not a carp angler in the country that catches carp like the BC for monetary gain.
Don't get me wrong, they may earn money as a byproduct, but anyone that's ever gone through the hardship of targeting and catching a specific carp will tell you that you don't put yourself through that unless you truly love it.
Imo there is not a carp angler in the country that catches carp like the BC for monetary gain.
Don't get me wrong, they may earn money as a byproduct, but anyone that's ever gone through the hardship of targeting and catching a specific carp will tell you that you don't put yourself through that unless you truly love it.
In reply to Post #156
It's not really a hardship now is it 🙄
Boring yes , I also think there's far more name's and wanna be named anglers that are thinking of the fame and fortune , albeit a small fortune .
It's not really a hardship now is it 🙄
Boring yes , I also think there's far more name's and wanna be named anglers that are thinking of the fame and fortune , albeit a small fortune .
In reply to Post #157
If it's boring it's not being done right imo.
You try telling anyone that's caught the BC that they bored it out and I'm pretty sure they'd disagree lol.
If it's boring it's not being done right imo.
You try telling anyone that's caught the BC that they bored it out and I'm pretty sure they'd disagree lol.
In reply to Post #155
Afternoon Aidey
I'm interested in the comment about writers. Three figures (£100) for a 4 page article doesn't sound extortionate to me - unless I've got it wrong and you are meaning much more? A well written 4 page piece could take a day to write - £100 for a day's work for a 'specialist' (I'm using the term widely) seems more than reasonable to me.
Afternoon Aidey
I'm interested in the comment about writers. Three figures (£100) for a 4 page article doesn't sound extortionate to me - unless I've got it wrong and you are meaning much more? A well written 4 page piece could take a day to write - £100 for a day's work for a 'specialist' (I'm using the term widely) seems more than reasonable to me.
In reply to Post #155
Has anyone here done any research on the pre-scandal Tour de France days? There's a book called the Secret Race and it basically documents how everyone in the race was doping, everyone knew everyone was doping, and therefore in a way it was not considered cheating. The race rules said one thing but the competitors worked within a different set of rules - it was just what was deemed necessary to be able to compete.
My point being, from what I've read, Burghfield seems to be the carp fishing equivalent. Yes there are rules, but they're often bent (and allowed to be) because everyone's doing it. Ultimately this “anything goes” attitude is probably what's needed to target and catch that fish, and the majority of the syndicate respects that.
Furthermore... it's a fish and literally who cares.
Has anyone here done any research on the pre-scandal Tour de France days? There's a book called the Secret Race and it basically documents how everyone in the race was doping, everyone knew everyone was doping, and therefore in a way it was not considered cheating. The race rules said one thing but the competitors worked within a different set of rules - it was just what was deemed necessary to be able to compete.
My point being, from what I've read, Burghfield seems to be the carp fishing equivalent. Yes there are rules, but they're often bent (and allowed to be) because everyone's doing it. Ultimately this “anything goes” attitude is probably what's needed to target and catch that fish, and the majority of the syndicate respects that.
Furthermore... it's a fish and literally who cares.
In reply to Post #158
I'm sure they would yonny , they'd probably say luck played no part in it aswell 😁
I'm sure they would yonny , they'd probably say luck played no part in it aswell 😁
In reply to Post #160
Everyone wasn't doping though. Everyone on certain teams, yes. Other people on other teams, yes. But not everyone, and those doing it clean potentially missed out on wins, prizes, and even whole careers built off that.
That's the saddest thing about cheating in any sport, the people who miss out. It's a bit different with fishing as there are no guarantees anyone else would have caught it yet.
Everyone wasn't doping though. Everyone on certain teams, yes. Other people on other teams, yes. But not everyone, and those doing it clean potentially missed out on wins, prizes, and even whole careers built off that.
That's the saddest thing about cheating in any sport, the people who miss out. It's a bit different with fishing as there are no guarantees anyone else would have caught it yet.
In reply to Post #162
In Armstrong's 7 years at number 1, 69% of all top-10 finishers were confirmed as dopers. This is besides the point though, of course, the book paints a very clear picture that cheating was rife and everyone accepted it, because of the challenge of the race.
I just thought it was an interesting comparison. Perhaps my finishing comment is more applicable.
In Armstrong's 7 years at number 1, 69% of all top-10 finishers were confirmed as dopers. This is besides the point though, of course, the book paints a very clear picture that cheating was rife and everyone accepted it, because of the challenge of the race.
I just thought it was an interesting comparison. Perhaps my finishing comment is more applicable.
In reply to Post #163
Analogies. They rarely work and cause more questions than answers. I keep on telling Mal (not this thread) but he keeps on using them
In reply to Post #165