Don't know if Pete still comes on here. If he does I hope he does not mind me posting this for the previous poster:

OK after so many requests here are a couple of simple base mixes to base your own baits around. There is nothing clever here just simple balanced nutrition and if you take any of these as a base and then add your chosen attractors you won't be going far wrong.

BM1 (basic HNV mix)
30% LT94 fishmeal
15% Maize Protein Meal 60% (supergold 60)
13% Egg based bird food like CeDe
10% Semolina
10% Soya flour (heat treated)
8.5% pre-digested fishmeal
8.5% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
5% Equivite

Depending on the exact brand of milk powder and bird food you use this will give you a bait with over 50% crude protein and about 10% oil content. Although they sound a little high it will come down if you add a few attractors to it yourself. If you really want to know the FLAA is Phenylaline, the 2nd is Methionine and the 3rd is Threonine......but all are plenty high enough to allow the carp maximum utilisation of the protein in the bait.

I have deliberately left the solubles a little on the low side so that you can add your own soluble attractors such as Betaine, MSG, liver powder etc without the bait falling to pieces in the water after 10 minutes!

Now another mix I have played with and had some promising result on before I stopped bait development was slightly different. Lower fish meal due to increased costs and slightly higher energy was the initial goal.

BM2
22% Poultry protein meal
20% LT94
10% Maize Protien Meal 60% (supergold 60)
10% pre-digested fishmeal
10% Calf or lambs milk powder such as Vitamelo
7% Micronized Soya meal
6% Semolina
2.5% Micronised crushed hemp
2.5% Equivite

Again the crude protein level is above 50% but the lipids levels are higher. The 1st, 2nd and 3rd LAA are the same as the above mix although the balance is not quite as good. As with BM1 you can add your attractors to this. If you find it too soft (I like it that way and the attractors can just pour out) then try adding 2 or 3% egg albumin.

For a simple bait take any of these and add 20ml per Kg of good quality oil such as Cod liver or Salmon, a few ml of flavour if you want some and 8-10 eggs per Kg of base mix.


Two of the best recipes you will ever encounter...Nothing more needs saying

I was just wondering to myself if all the baitmakers on the forum could all pull together to create a CarpForum approved boilie, that has been designed by the members, so that anyone who is unsure about bait, can look at the recipe, and get all the ingredients to make a bait that will catch as well as any on the market. I was thinking that it should be an all year round, reasonable priced bait that will catch pretty much anywhere, and is easy to roll and boil, and use. I thought i would start with a basic fish mix i used to use when i started making bait, and get all the knowledgable members to modify and come up with a final recipe, including an attractor package that any one can get hold of. The final recipe could then be stickied for anyone to see and use if they need to. Here goes-

3kg LT94
1kg Sardine and Anchovy meal
2kg CLO
1kg Supagold 60
1kg Vitamealo
1kg Semolina
1kg kelp Powder

15ml Salmon Oil
5ml Secret Agent
6 drops Clove EO

I caught a few fish on this mix, and thought i could be modified to fit the requirements of The CarpFoum Boilie. Any ideas? What do you think? Fire Away.....

In reply to Post #1
I think Squid and Octopus would make a good flavour for the bait. Most bait companies do a version of Squid and Octopus, so its easy to get hold of for everyone.

Also although it will increase the price of the finished bait, it should contain an amount of Pre Digested fishmeal, may be instead of the Sardine and Anchovy or split 50/50 with it?

3kg LT94
500g Sardine and Anchovy
500g Pre Digested Fishmeal
2kg CLO
1kg Supergold 60
1kg Vitamealo
1kg Semolina
1kg Kelp Powder

5ml Squid and Octopus
15ml Salmon Oil

In reply to Post #2
thats not a lot of liquid to add to 10kg of dry base mix lol

In reply to Post #3
Agreed mate. The liquids are for a 500g 5/6 egg mix.




A bit silly of me, but easily sorted.

300g LT94
50g Sardine and Anchovy
50g Pre Digested Fishmeal
200g CLO
100g Supergold 60
100g Vitamealo
100g Semolina
100g Kelp Powder

10ml Squid and Octopus
30ml Salmon Oil

Got any suggestions mate?

In reply to Post #4
Great idea , sorry though, no good with recipes!

In reply to Post #4
maybe add 60grams of soya flour to help it roll.

50grams pure blood powder too

In reply to Post #1
This one I've put together myself and used quite successfully on the river last year. Its cheap as chips and its good for all year round use. Might need a little whole egg powder if the mix is a bit sticky but apart from that its fine.

2oz Sluis CLO
2oz Nectarblend
2oz Vanilla Meal
2oz Vitamealo
3oz Soya Flour
5oz Semolina

The attractor package(s) I used were (per 6 egg mix) -

3ml DT Baits Juicy Peach or Nutrabaits Peach Nutrafruit
4 drops Nutrabaits Cassia Terpenes Essential Oil
15ml Molasses

or

2ml A Baits Ultraspice
1 drop Nutrabaits Tyme Essential Oil
2 drops Nutrabaits Sage Essential Oil
5ml Rod Hutchinson Spice Sense Appeal
1ml DT Baits LMPSE Sweetener

In reply to Post #7
Does that come with a health warning Pete

In reply to Post #8
Here's what i have been using without a attractor package, i have had a few good fish the past season on it

Blood 10%
CLO 15%
Soya 10%
Semo 10%
Kelp 5%
Vitamealo 10%
LT-94 30%
Pre-digested fishmeal 5%
Robin Red 5%

In reply to Post #9
I forgot about the mighty Robin Red. I think the soya flour, and blood are a good option too. I think this may become a 16oz mix to get all the goodies into it. But for now, what are the thoughts on something like this?

300g LT94
100g Pre Digest
200g CLO
100g Vitamealo
100g Supergold 60
100g Semolina
60g Full Fat Soya Flour
25g Kelp Powder
15g Betaine

I was wondering about the Vitamealo to. Is it very soluble? as we have predigested in there to, just worried the rolled bait would break down to quick? any ideas?

In reply to Post #10
Oh dear, i have got Garlic and Fenugreek powder on my mind now too. at 03.28am too

That is the trouble i always had making recipies, there are so many goodies available to us spoiled lot its hard to decide what we really need in a bait to catch carp.

And Paprika!!

This could be hard work.

In reply to Post #11
Anyone got a decent yellow seed mix I could try?

In reply to Post #10
I'd say that bait is a good one and would serve you well but i wouldn't say it's outstanding.

In reply to Post #13
What would you add or take away to make it an outstanding mix then mate? any suggestions?

Change the whole lot if you feel it needs it.