Currently a user of technium black line which i cant fault other than last weekend the water i will be fishing quite often this year, my line stood out like a sore thumb, my mate next to me was using gt hd and his line literally disappeared in the water, so i love the colour, however, he was experiencing a lot of twist and constantly had a spin doctor on it, not sure how old and abused his line was as i forgot to ask, does anyone else have problems with twist in the gt hd tia
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I have used GT HD in the past. Don't use it any more but my thoughts are ...
Not sure about it disappearing. I thought it showed up as sunlight reflected off it and it really glistened.
It did twist easily.
If would frizz up one it had been dragged through weed etc. I found cutting it back to un frizzed line became a regular thing.
It did NOT like any form of clinch knot. Whether the stuff I had (15lb) was dodgy or not but it failed me twice in the same day once. Be very careful with your know. I suggest a very wet Palomar.
Line lay was pretty good.
Casting wasn't bad at all but I did not trust it one little bit after the knot failures.
Many people like and trust it so please bear in mind this is my personal findings.
I have used GT HD in the past. Don't use it any more but my thoughts are ...
Not sure about it disappearing. I thought it showed up as sunlight reflected off it and it really glistened.
It did twist easily.
If would frizz up one it had been dragged through weed etc. I found cutting it back to un frizzed line became a regular thing.
It did NOT like any form of clinch knot. Whether the stuff I had (15lb) was dodgy or not but it failed me twice in the same day once. Be very careful with your know. I suggest a very wet Palomar.
Line lay was pretty good.
Casting wasn't bad at all but I did not trust it one little bit after the knot failures.
Many people like and trust it so please bear in mind this is my personal findings.
In reply to Post #2
Thanks for that mate, couldnt get any more honest so its definitely appreciated, i meant on my particular lake with it being a clay pit it blended in with the almost greyish water which i liked, pleased you have confirmed my thoughts on the line twist, as said my mate was always trying to untwist it and as you say cut bits off, wonder why it does this, i know all mono has some degree of twist but it did seem quite excessive
Thanks for that mate, couldnt get any more honest so its definitely appreciated, i meant on my particular lake with it being a clay pit it blended in with the almost greyish water which i liked, pleased you have confirmed my thoughts on the line twist, as said my mate was always trying to untwist it and as you say cut bits off, wonder why it does this, i know all mono has some degree of twist but it did seem quite excessive
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A friend uses it in 12lb straight through and swears by it. I have it on a couple of reels in 10lb breaking strain and its bloody brilliant to be fair. No twist at all.
I am under the impression all line twist is imparted either when loaded, with the rigs used or using a baitrunner.
A friend uses it in 12lb straight through and swears by it. I have it on a couple of reels in 10lb breaking strain and its bloody brilliant to be fair. No twist at all.
I am under the impression all line twist is imparted either when loaded, with the rigs used or using a baitrunner.
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Yeah fair point mate can definitely understand that, total fishing tackle have sold out of the tech black so looking at alternatives
Yeah fair point mate can definitely understand that, total fishing tackle have sold out of the tech black so looking at alternatives
I've used the 12lb for a couple of years. I've not had any issues of twist or frizzing. I think someone mentioned on here though in a previous thread that the 15lb didn't behave as well as the 12lb.
Currently using 15lb, l really like it, as others have mentioned casts well, sinks ok, I've found it very strong but has twisted a bit too as mentioned?
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I thought it was pretty good at first, then I had all the issues mentioned.
Switched to Ultima F1 and have no complaints at all.
I thought it was pretty good at first, then I had all the issues mentioned.
Switched to Ultima F1 and have no complaints at all.
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i had the same with the 15lb - unruly mess on many occasions - so much so that i didnt spool up the other two reels with it - tried it on 1 to begin with as a test.
I like the fox exocet - been lovely and very easy to use in comparison the the hd, genuninely wish i hadnt bought it which doesnt happen with many things for me
i had the same with the 15lb - unruly mess on many occasions - so much so that i didnt spool up the other two reels with it - tried it on 1 to begin with as a test.
I like the fox exocet - been lovely and very easy to use in comparison the the hd, genuninely wish i hadnt bought it which doesnt happen with many things for me
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been using the GT HD in 18lbs for a couple of years now and found line lay to be ok and visibility in the water again ok but there is no real way of knowing what it looks like to a carp so never paid to much attention to that anyway.
Casts well but I get line twist quite alot, was not sure if this is because I pull the line out of the reel through the clutch alot or was the line, it does seem worse with the GT HD than I have experienced in the past though.
been using the GT HD in 18lbs for a couple of years now and found line lay to be ok and visibility in the water again ok but there is no real way of knowing what it looks like to a carp so never paid to much attention to that anyway.
Casts well but I get line twist quite alot, was not sure if this is because I pull the line out of the reel through the clutch alot or was the line, it does seem worse with the GT HD than I have experienced in the past though.
got spooled up on three rod as was told it was really good, got all the problems mentioned below, replaced it thinking it was a bad batch, it wasn't.
Will be changing as soon as the shops open again
Will be changing as soon as the shops open again
In reply to Post #11
Esp synchro xt is superb
Esp synchro xt is superb
In reply to Post #1
Why not try technium invisitec ? Very similar spec to the black
Why not try technium invisitec ? Very similar spec to the black
In reply to Post #2
I had the same twisting, knot failures and line breaks. To be honest, despite the hype back then it was one of the worst lines I have ever used, and I've used quite a few. I ripped it off after one month and never looked back.
As regards you pro of it "disappearing": what good is an invisible line if it curls and stands up when fishing slack lines? Might as well quit using tungsten and leadcore then.
I had the same twisting, knot failures and line breaks. To be honest, despite the hype back then it was one of the worst lines I have ever used, and I've used quite a few. I ripped it off after one month and never looked back.
As regards you pro of it "disappearing": what good is an invisible line if it curls and stands up when fishing slack lines? Might as well quit using tungsten and leadcore then.
A fishing buddy used to use gt hd and had the same problems. He switched to esp synchro xt and Daiwa sensor on his spare and has never had any of those issues. I use sensor aswell and have always rated it.
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Switched to ESP as well. Proper line.
Switched to ESP as well. Proper line.
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I used it for a season could not get on with it had the eame issues as other guys mentioned i switched back to shimano technium black and cannot fault it.
I used it for a season could not get on with it had the eame issues as other guys mentioned i switched back to shimano technium black and cannot fault it.
In reply to Post #1
His problem with twist may lie with his reels rather than the line , some models exaggerate line twist or poorly serviced reels can also do it , just a thought
His problem with twist may lie with his reels rather than the line , some models exaggerate line twist or poorly serviced reels can also do it , just a thought
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I've used the 12lb gt HD for a while now. Cannot fault it. Brilliant line with no twists. I think line twist is down to one of two things, either how it was loaded onto the spool or if it's on a bait runner and you've had a run or two.
I've used the 12lb gt HD for a while now. Cannot fault it. Brilliant line with no twists. I think line twist is down to one of two things, either how it was loaded onto the spool or if it's on a bait runner and you've had a run or two.
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Ive decided to go with 18lb pb control, on first look it seems very impressive, havent spooled it up yet but feels very limp and colour looks great, also obviously really thin diameter which i like
Ive decided to go with 18lb pb control, on first look it seems very impressive, havent spooled it up yet but feels very limp and colour looks great, also obviously really thin diameter which i like
In reply to Post #20
Dont know what diameter or breaking strain you were using with your old line but the 18lb pb will compare to most 10lb lines on the market being 0.30mm dia
I tried it a few years back in 24lb which compared strength wise to other 12 or 15lb dia lines in 0.35mm dia
Dont know what diameter or breaking strain you were using with your old line but the 18lb pb will compare to most 10lb lines on the market being 0.30mm dia
I tried it a few years back in 24lb which compared strength wise to other 12 or 15lb dia lines in 0.35mm dia
I have used it for a season and a half and have found it superb. Limp, nice colour and very strong. Never had any problems with twist. Just re-spooled with the 15lb which fills 4 tournaments perfectly.
I've always heard good things about gthd but seeing a mate use it couple weeks ago and seeing the horrendous line twist then he had to remove about 8ft of line and snapped the 15lb by hand 😳 twice. I'll stick to technium, I've looked at other lines and used a few but in my opinion you really can't beat technium
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Like everything use what you have confidence in 👍🏻
Like everything use what you have confidence in 👍🏻
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Iv used the 15lb GTHD since it was released and had no problems with it. Never had it fail on me once. Even in weedy situations and in france fishing. I dont suffer line twist that bad to be honest no more than other lines iv used in the past. Iv just spooled up 3 reels with it again. Had the last lot on my reels for 3 years and been to france with it in that time catching some big fish at range and had no problems at all with it. I do soak it before i spool it up and load it on the correct way no issues at all. I can only assume people suffering from line twist bad are not loading it on properly in the first place putting the twist in the line when loading up spools.
Iv used the 15lb GTHD since it was released and had no problems with it. Never had it fail on me once. Even in weedy situations and in france fishing. I dont suffer line twist that bad to be honest no more than other lines iv used in the past. Iv just spooled up 3 reels with it again. Had the last lot on my reels for 3 years and been to france with it in that time catching some big fish at range and had no problems at all with it. I do soak it before i spool it up and load it on the correct way no issues at all. I can only assume people suffering from line twist bad are not loading it on properly in the first place putting the twist in the line when loading up spools.
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Out of curiosity which way do you load it ie with the line coming off the end of the spool anti clockwise so it goes on the reel clockwise or with the spool spinning like it would if it had a shaft running through the centre of the spool?
Out of curiosity which way do you load it ie with the line coming off the end of the spool anti clockwise so it goes on the reel clockwise or with the spool spinning like it would if it had a shaft running through the centre of the spool?
theres an actual Gardner video on YouTube to show you how to load correctmate, I followed this but still got a bit of twist whilst fishing
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You should always take the line off a spool the same way it was put on otherwise you will put twist into it. You should always spool up with something through middle of the spool and have it spinning, not lay it flat in a bucket. By laying it flat you are putting twist into the line. Leon bartropp does a good video on youtube about the GTHD showing the correct way to spool it up and any line really. i do it the same as him and never had any issues with line twist. I swear by the GTHD best line iv used and iv used alot over the years. It does everything i want in a line and its never failed me yet.
You should always take the line off a spool the same way it was put on otherwise you will put twist into it. You should always spool up with something through middle of the spool and have it spinning, not lay it flat in a bucket. By laying it flat you are putting twist into the line. Leon bartropp does a good video on youtube about the GTHD showing the correct way to spool it up and any line really. i do it the same as him and never had any issues with line twist. I swear by the GTHD best line iv used and iv used alot over the years. It does everything i want in a line and its never failed me yet.
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There is not a line on the market which doesnt have some element of line twist once it has been used and abused. Once you have played a few hard fighting fish the line gets stretched and any line will twist. Every line i have used has some twist in once it has been stretched. I dont find the GTHD to be any worse than other popular lines iv used. The biggest problem with line twist is it not being loaded properly and using clutchs and not back winding cause that puts more stretch into the line.
There is not a line on the market which doesnt have some element of line twist once it has been used and abused. Once you have played a few hard fighting fish the line gets stretched and any line will twist. Every line i have used has some twist in once it has been stretched. I dont find the GTHD to be any worse than other popular lines iv used. The biggest problem with line twist is it not being loaded properly and using clutchs and not back winding cause that puts more stretch into the line.
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https://youtu.be/DRUbdxG10IQ
This is the link last 3 mins shows the best way to load any line to avoid twist.
https://youtu.be/DRUbdxG10IQ
This is the link last 3 mins shows the best way to load any line to avoid twist.
In reply to Post #28
See I heard that by laying it in water and letting the spool spin the way it wants it reduces line twist as it can untwist itself as you reel it on.
I do it the Gardner way, soak, weight underwater and reel on. It's worked for me. I've had the line on for 3yrs now as I am awaiting my custom reels to return before spooling them up. I've got some twist but I just walk out 100yd tied to a bankstick and pulled tight as this covers the maximum distance I might fish on the waters I am. Back winding essential and something I've learnt to do more recently after years of resisting it!! Helps no end.
See I heard that by laying it in water and letting the spool spin the way it wants it reduces line twist as it can untwist itself as you reel it on.
I do it the Gardner way, soak, weight underwater and reel on. It's worked for me. I've had the line on for 3yrs now as I am awaiting my custom reels to return before spooling them up. I've got some twist but I just walk out 100yd tied to a bankstick and pulled tight as this covers the maximum distance I might fish on the waters I am. Back winding essential and something I've learnt to do more recently after years of resisting it!! Helps no end.
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My reels have a line twist buster built in them and in the manufacturers instructions it actually says to spool the line on the way i have said to get the best results and stop line twist. I only soak the line for 10mins or so just to make it supple. Only if you let it soak for hours on end it will affect the line cause it will absorb water and once it is put on it will shrink back causing it to frap up. If you have found a line and a method of spooling up which works for you stick to it. Iv learnt over the years by chopping and changing lines and now i only use GTHD and its perfect for my style of fishing. Its all personal preference really
My reels have a line twist buster built in them and in the manufacturers instructions it actually says to spool the line on the way i have said to get the best results and stop line twist. I only soak the line for 10mins or so just to make it supple. Only if you let it soak for hours on end it will affect the line cause it will absorb water and once it is put on it will shrink back causing it to frap up. If you have found a line and a method of spooling up which works for you stick to it. Iv learnt over the years by chopping and changing lines and now i only use GTHD and its perfect for my style of fishing. Its all personal preference really
In reply to Post #32
Agreed mate. As with everything fishing wise. Find a method that works for you and stick with it!
Agreed mate. As with everything fishing wise. Find a method that works for you and stick with it!
In reply to Post #28
The reason i asked you was because a couple of years ago i spoke to lewis about several gardner lines gthd and pro blend were amongst them he recommended your way for some but thare was one line he said got less line twist loading it coming off the end of the spool, but i cant remember which one it was.
The reason i asked you was because a couple of years ago i spoke to lewis about several gardner lines gthd and pro blend were amongst them he recommended your way for some but thare was one line he said got less line twist loading it coming off the end of the spool, but i cant remember which one it was.
In reply to Post #34
Line twist comes from the bairrunner function. Remember Gibbo from years ago in CW. Done to death and explained away. Nowt to do with the line type.
Line twist comes from the bairrunner function. Remember Gibbo from years ago in CW. Done to death and explained away. Nowt to do with the line type.
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I have been using GT80+ in clear for a few years and no issues at all. My old reels (Tournament 5000T) do say they have TwistBuster but no idea if that really works. Only change line at the end of each year so get a good 12 months and a spool fills 3 reels with no backing. Hope this helps
I have been using GT80+ in clear for a few years and no issues at all. My old reels (Tournament 5000T) do say they have TwistBuster but no idea if that really works. Only change line at the end of each year so get a good 12 months and a spool fills 3 reels with no backing. Hope this helps
whats this line like NOW in 2026? tia.
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