I noticed today that my line is twisting quite badly after reeling in. When I let the line drop slack with the lead in my hand, it's twisting all over the place. I'm pretty sure that my rig is causing the problem. I'm fishing a running rig using a 2oz Fox Edges flat pear style lead which is clipped to a run ring. I use a Fox run ring which sits on a Korda run ring rubber. When casting, I pull the run rig snugly over the run ring rubber to create the bolt effect for the bite but still allowing the carp to shake the lead to be free running after the hook sets. I think that the lead is corkscrewing through the water as I'm reeling it back in and as a result, due to there being no active swivel between the rig and the reel, the line is twisting. The swivel on the lead obviously allows the lead itself to swivel but doesn't stop the rotating run rig rubber from twisting the line. Does anyone have this issue? Am I reeling in too quickly maybe? Do I need to try a different setup? Different shaped lead maybe?
Cheap reels, putting the line on in the wrong direction and using the clutch tend to be the main issues
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I'm not saying definitely but I'm not sure if your rig is causing the twist.
I'd be more inclined to look at what Mr Bean has said.
Just to open the debate a bit further for others to comment on, I'm not sure if swivels actually swivel on the retrieve when bringing in a lead.
Once the swivel is under tension won't it lock up and not swivel anymore?
I'm not saying definitely but I'm not sure if your rig is causing the twist.
I'd be more inclined to look at what Mr Bean has said.
Just to open the debate a bit further for others to comment on, I'm not sure if swivels actually swivel on the retrieve when bringing in a lead.
Once the swivel is under tension won't it lock up and not swivel anymore?
I think cheap swivels are overlooked as causing some twist issues. One of the main points of using swivels to join line was to prevent twist up the line caused by leads or rigs spinning on the retrieve.
I bought some Bank Tackle swivels on a recommendation on here. Nice and cheap but under tension they do not spin freely. The finish isn't good enough.
I bought some Bank Tackle swivels on a recommendation on here. Nice and cheap but under tension they do not spin freely. The finish isn't good enough.
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I have noticed that if I'm not careful after casting, that the line springs from the spool in coils if I don't close the bail arm quickly enough. If I remember correctly, I spooled the line by standing the bulk spool on its end and with the label upwards and allowing the line to peel off over the lip of the bulk spool under tension between my finger and thumb. I read so many different opinions on spooling line this way, and other ways, that I never know if this is the correct way or not? I'm using the Gardner XT-HD mono at the moment.
I have noticed that if I'm not careful after casting, that the line springs from the spool in coils if I don't close the bail arm quickly enough. If I remember correctly, I spooled the line by standing the bulk spool on its end and with the label upwards and allowing the line to peel off over the lip of the bulk spool under tension between my finger and thumb. I read so many different opinions on spooling line this way, and other ways, that I never know if this is the correct way or not? I'm using the Gardner XT-HD mono at the moment.
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Sounds like you may have put too much line on so it is too close to the lip of the spool?
Sounds like you may have put too much line on so it is too close to the lip of the spool?
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There was a lot of talk and confusion on how to put new line on recently in this thread
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In my opinion you've used the wrong method, it's a method I've used before and i had such bad line twist in the end I gave up, took it off and used the method above
There was a lot of talk and confusion on how to put new line on recently in this thread
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In my opinion you've used the wrong method, it's a method I've used before and i had such bad line twist in the end I gave up, took it off and used the method above
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Not particularly no. That said, I'm more used to 6lb Maxima etc and so am not sure what an overfilled Carp spool would be like. It's probably 2mm or so down from the lip of the spool on both of my reels.
Not particularly no. That said, I'm more used to 6lb Maxima etc and so am not sure what an overfilled Carp spool would be like. It's probably 2mm or so down from the lip of the spool on both of my reels.
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Thanks for that @Tinhead. I've just watched it and if I can't rescue the line I have on now, I'll redo them as per the video. I still have plenty on the bulk spool so should be ok.
Thanks for that @Tinhead. I've just watched it and if I can't rescue the line I have on now, I'll redo them as per the video. I still have plenty on the bulk spool so should be ok.
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I don't think any 'standard' swivels will rotate under tension, at least with any reliability. Ball bearing swivels seem far more up to this task and are what I use to prevent twist on titanium traces when piking.
I don't think any 'standard' swivels will rotate under tension, at least with any reliability. Ball bearing swivels seem far more up to this task and are what I use to prevent twist on titanium traces when piking.
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I don't think standard swivels rotate under tension either.
I've never used ball bearings swivels but I tend to use inline leads and find they are less likely to rotate.
I don't think standard swivels rotate under tension either.
I've never used ball bearings swivels but I tend to use inline leads and find they are less likely to rotate.
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Personally, I think lead\rig is a factor.
I have a Rod that I use down the field. Dogball and 15 lb mono.
Chucked it hundreds of times - hardly twisted.
Carp fishing Rod with exactly same line and an inline lead - after a few sessions twisted badly. :( .
Both lines loaded on the Reel the same.
So something's going on.
I saw a post on here in the past that someone stated less twist with round shaped leads (e.g no sides, think pear shaped) .
I'm guessing if you only ever used a Heli setup with a pear lead, you woudn't see as much twist, given that you've loaded the line correctly that is.
Personally, I think lead\rig is a factor.
I have a Rod that I use down the field. Dogball and 15 lb mono.
Chucked it hundreds of times - hardly twisted.
Carp fishing Rod with exactly same line and an inline lead - after a few sessions twisted badly. :( .
Both lines loaded on the Reel the same.
So something's going on.
I saw a post on here in the past that someone stated less twist with round shaped leads (e.g no sides, think pear shaped) .
I'm guessing if you only ever used a Heli setup with a pear lead, you woudn't see as much twist, given that you've loaded the line correctly that is.
I stopped using flat pear leads years ago as on a lead clip or running they will spin and cause line twist.
Test them out by casting your lead a few yards up the bank and draw it back fast in front of yourself and see if it is spinning. The lighter they are, the more chance of them spinning.
To avoid it, you can try retrieving as slow as you can, wind in fast, and they will spin.
I actually make my own versions of "Spin Doctors" by cutting a 45 degree diagonal into both thin sides of a 2 oz flat pear lead. They spin like hell and soon get twist out of your line far better than a Gardner Spin Doctor. But you have to know which way you want it to spin, if not, it will make the line twist worse.
Test them out by casting your lead a few yards up the bank and draw it back fast in front of yourself and see if it is spinning. The lighter they are, the more chance of them spinning.
To avoid it, you can try retrieving as slow as you can, wind in fast, and they will spin.
I actually make my own versions of "Spin Doctors" by cutting a 45 degree diagonal into both thin sides of a 2 oz flat pear lead. They spin like hell and soon get twist out of your line far better than a Gardner Spin Doctor. But you have to know which way you want it to spin, if not, it will make the line twist worse.