I'm having trouble with the generally accepted modern concept of resetting rigs, where the hook and bait ends up the fullest extent from the lead.
A fish picking up the rig and moving towards the lead has to move double the length of the hook length before feeling hook. Conversely, if the fish picks up the bait and moves away from the lead, it only has an inch before feeling the lead.
My conclusion is that hooklink should land in a puddle around the lead and require the same movement wherever the fish moves. I've traced the 'resetting' theory back to the Korda underwater videos. Not exactly the touchstone of intelligence...
A fish picking up the rig and moving towards the lead has to move double the length of the hook length before feeling hook. Conversely, if the fish picks up the bait and moves away from the lead, it only has an inch before feeling the lead.
My conclusion is that hooklink should land in a puddle around the lead and require the same movement wherever the fish moves. I've traced the 'resetting' theory back to the Korda underwater videos. Not exactly the touchstone of intelligence...
In reply to Post #1
Use a stiff boom half the length of your rig. The other part is a souple braid.
Use a stiff boom half the length of your rig. The other part is a souple braid.
In reply to Post #1
Have a look at Ian Russell's flick rig does what your looking for, but in reality there's nothing new in carp fishing most rigs are just new versions of old rigs with new materials being used. Most of the time the new versions are no better than the old. It's a merry go round to sell new stuff.
Have a look at Ian Russell's flick rig does what your looking for, but in reality there's nothing new in carp fishing most rigs are just new versions of old rigs with new materials being used. Most of the time the new versions are no better than the old. It's a merry go round to sell new stuff.
In reply to Post #1
I've used a hinge rig with a supple boom in the past - the thinking being the same.
That said - stiff booms catch and continue to catch - I would try not to worry too much about it.
I've used a hinge rig with a supple boom in the past - the thinking being the same.
That said - stiff booms catch and continue to catch - I would try not to worry too much about it.
In reply to Post #5
I haven't been at all clear. Sorry.
I have a problem with the accepted wisdom that a 'reset' fully extended rig is a desirable scenario. It's just not. It is the least efficient position the hooklink could end up. It is one inch long or sixteen inches long and any distance in between.
I do worry about it. It 'keeps me up nights.'
I haven't been at all clear. Sorry.
I have a problem with the accepted wisdom that a 'reset' fully extended rig is a desirable scenario. It's just not. It is the least efficient position the hooklink could end up. It is one inch long or sixteen inches long and any distance in between.
I do worry about it. It 'keeps me up nights.'
In reply to Post #6
The hooklink combination touted as the brain child of Ian Russell gives the 'puddle' effect but it is a pop-up rig. That limits its application but I'm not really sure why a pop-up off the lead wouldn't be more effective; what is the benefit the hooklink material for Russell?
The hooklink combination touted as the brain child of Ian Russell gives the 'puddle' effect but it is a pop-up rig. That limits its application but I'm not really sure why a pop-up off the lead wouldn't be more effective; what is the benefit the hooklink material for Russell?
In reply to Post #7
It's meant to be for big fish. The length of the soft braid allows a big fish to upright itself before the rig tightens. Unless the hook catches hold first and the fish bolts. That's the theory anyway.
It's meant to be for big fish. The length of the soft braid allows a big fish to upright itself before the rig tightens. Unless the hook catches hold first and the fish bolts. That's the theory anyway.
In reply to Post #8
Nope...
Nope...
In reply to Post #7
Why not use a solid bag with a longer uncoated braid hooklength, that would give you the right effect. That way you can use any hook bait and avoid tangles.
Or a concertina rig. Or an uncoated braid hooklength on a heli set up with the top bead set 12ins from the lead. Pva a buoyant pop up to the baited hook. This will hold the hookbait vertical in the water then when the pva melts it will drop the hookbait and hooklength in a pile well away from the lead.
Why not use a solid bag with a longer uncoated braid hooklength, that would give you the right effect. That way you can use any hook bait and avoid tangles.
Or a concertina rig. Or an uncoated braid hooklength on a heli set up with the top bead set 12ins from the lead. Pva a buoyant pop up to the baited hook. This will hold the hookbait vertical in the water then when the pva melts it will drop the hookbait and hooklength in a pile well away from the lead.
In reply to Post #10
The closest I've got to a terminal arrangement that will be efficient throughout the entire 360° approach and exit is Adam Whittingtons' Nora rig, shown on the Gardner YT website. I'm slowly beginning to see how clever it really is, utilising that D shape.
The closest I've got to a terminal arrangement that will be efficient throughout the entire 360° approach and exit is Adam Whittingtons' Nora rig, shown on the Gardner YT website. I'm slowly beginning to see how clever it really is, utilising that D shape.
In reply to Post #11
Still got the same problem, it will only be slack if the fish approaches from the right direction, otherwise it will be sucking against the elastic. There have been a number of elasticated rigs over the years, including this one which is not new. They have all died a death for a multitude of reasons. Sorry but simple is best.
Still got the same problem, it will only be slack if the fish approaches from the right direction, otherwise it will be sucking against the elastic. There have been a number of elasticated rigs over the years, including this one which is not new. They have all died a death for a multitude of reasons. Sorry but simple is best.
In reply to Post #11
Not surprised that Gardner like the rig, look how much stuff you need to buy to tie it
Not surprised that Gardner like the rig, look how much stuff you need to buy to tie it
I would respectfully comment that I think we are guilty of overthinking things a lot of the time
Put a bait where the fish are where they want to feed and you will catch them
Put a bait where the fish are where they want to feed and you will catch them
In reply to Post #15
100% agree.
Sharp hook, good bait, in the right place.
100% agree.
Sharp hook, good bait, in the right place.
In reply to Post #15
