ot sure if this is the right place, but can anyone give an insight as to how many wraps to clip up at in deep water ?
Currently fishing a deep river channel, 30 ft deep , spombiing to 9 wraps. .
Obviously , when I cast my baited rig tio the clip, it will end up closer on th e bottom, as it swings back/down .
Anyone know how much extra I should be wrapping ti get the hookbait at the same spot as the free offerings ?
Currently fishing a deep river channel, 30 ft deep , spombiing to 9 wraps. .
Obviously , when I cast my baited rig tio the clip, it will end up closer on th e bottom, as it swings back/down .
Anyone know how much extra I should be wrapping ti get the hookbait at the same spot as the free offerings ?
In reply to Post #1
Depends on the flow of the river
Allowing for the depth you still have to work out the flow speed
Depends on the flow of the river
Allowing for the depth you still have to work out the flow speed
In reply to Post #2
River is very liw, little flow to speaj of.
River is very liw, little flow to speaj of.
In reply to Post #3
The swim is at the very end if what us basically a two nile long kick cut, so almost canal like.
The swim is at the very end if what us basically a two nile long kick cut, so almost canal like.
In reply to Post #4
Worked out mathematically it's 4ft. If you hit the clip and feel it down on a tight line.
Worked out mathematically it's 4ft. If you hit the clip and feel it down on a tight line.
In reply to Post #5
Right, thanks for that. I was thinking it would be much more.
Right, thanks for that. I was thinking it would be much more.
In reply to Post #6
Can you not put a marker float on your fishing rod cast it to a clip at your 9 wraps then release from clip and pop float up, then cast spomb to float then recount your wraps for the spomb rod i suspect it will be more than 4ft you will have to drop short if you want your bait right over the top
Can you not put a marker float on your fishing rod cast it to a clip at your 9 wraps then release from clip and pop float up, then cast spomb to float then recount your wraps for the spomb rod i suspect it will be more than 4ft you will have to drop short if you want your bait right over the top
In reply to Post #7
Sorry my friend, it is 4 ft. There was a fellow about 4000 years ago who worked this all out. In 20 ft of water at 100yds it is inches, four if memory serves. Can do the numbers if you wish. It is much less than you would think. This is with no underwater obstacles or features between the angler and the spot and with tight lines and still water.
In this case spodding at nine wraps youneed to cast your lead and bait 9 wraps plus 4 ft. Simple and uncomplicated once you know the numbers
Sorry my friend, it is 4 ft. There was a fellow about 4000 years ago who worked this all out. In 20 ft of water at 100yds it is inches, four if memory serves. Can do the numbers if you wish. It is much less than you would think. This is with no underwater obstacles or features between the angler and the spot and with tight lines and still water.
In this case spodding at nine wraps youneed to cast your lead and bait 9 wraps plus 4 ft. Simple and uncomplicated once you know the numbers
In reply to Post #7
Rob Hughes did an article on this at Wrasbury I think it was on carp feed.
Rob Hughes did an article on this at Wrasbury I think it was on carp feed.
In reply to Post #9
I have seen that video and if you go by robs findings it would be 7.5 ft he would have to drop short, the only way to properly find the answer is by practical testing
I have seen that video and if you go by robs findings it would be 7.5 ft he would have to drop short, the only way to properly find the answer is by practical testing
In reply to Post #1
You can calculate the dropback of the lead via pythagorean theorem. This will only be valid in ideal conditions but would give you a great idea.
Also, on a river i don't mind to get a large baiting area. So spombing a couple spots on the left, right and on 7 and 9 wraps would be my go to.
In fact i would only use boilies to reduce the amount of nuisance fish and bait up with a catapult or throwing stick.
You can calculate the dropback of the lead via pythagorean theorem. This will only be valid in ideal conditions but would give you a great idea.
Also, on a river i don't mind to get a large baiting area. So spombing a couple spots on the left, right and on 7 and 9 wraps would be my go to.
In fact i would only use boilies to reduce the amount of nuisance fish and bait up with a catapult or throwing stick.
In reply to Post #11
How do you think I got the numbers. As you say it needs perfect conditions to get perfect results, but fishing in a deep canal style venue with no real flow is pretty nearly that. Not seen the video mentioned, will try and track it down. Spodding at 9 wraps in 30 ft of water will require an overcast of 4ft to drop back accurately on the bait. There is theoretically only one answer.
How do you think I got the numbers. As you say it needs perfect conditions to get perfect results, but fishing in a deep canal style venue with no real flow is pretty nearly that. Not seen the video mentioned, will try and track it down. Spodding at 9 wraps in 30 ft of water will require an overcast of 4ft to drop back accurately on the bait. There is theoretically only one answer.
Found the article, interesting stuff. However couple of problems, his target zone is 4.5 ft square and the spombs and leads were cast not placed( with all the inherent inaccuracies that this brings)
A target zone that big can only give you a result plus or minus 4.5 ft and the problem is the calculated dropback at 50yds in 11 ft of water is( in round figures) 5 inches. This is not good or accurate science and it is my view that this article definitely does not give a definitive answer as it claims.
Having said all this, it doesn't survive in the real world. Taking into account the differences are usually in inches at normal ranges and depths plus all the uncontrollable effects and human error involved I never bother worrying about it. Patch of bait as accurate as the conditions allow and lead and bait clipped up the same will fish the nearside of the patch. Good enough for me. Don't waste time worrying. Probably all started with an article out to impress us.
A target zone that big can only give you a result plus or minus 4.5 ft and the problem is the calculated dropback at 50yds in 11 ft of water is( in round figures) 5 inches. This is not good or accurate science and it is my view that this article definitely does not give a definitive answer as it claims.
Having said all this, it doesn't survive in the real world. Taking into account the differences are usually in inches at normal ranges and depths plus all the uncontrollable effects and human error involved I never bother worrying about it. Patch of bait as accurate as the conditions allow and lead and bait clipped up the same will fish the nearside of the patch. Good enough for me. Don't waste time worrying. Probably all started with an article out to impress us.
In reply to Post #13
That's always been my thinking on this and is the way I've always done it.
That's always been my thinking on this and is the way I've always done it.
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