Just listened to Roger's DNA podcast, very interesting listen. Seems a sensible thinking angler who gets on with his own fishing and catches a lot of fish.
He goes into an extended D rig that I think I understand from the description, but he said they would put a photo up on DNA social media to clarify.
If they did do this, could a bright spark with social media post it up on here for us to take a look?
Cheers
He goes into an extended D rig that I think I understand from the description, but he said they would put a photo up on DNA social media to clarify.
If they did do this, could a bright spark with social media post it up on here for us to take a look?
Cheers
In reply to Post #1
If anyone has a copy of Albert Romps book, you'll see something identical but used about 20 years+ ago.
In reply to Post #3
Yep, it's nothing new
Yep, it's nothing new
In reply to Post #3
There is some serious thinking and understanding behind that
There is some serious thinking and understanding behind that
In reply to Post #2
Nice one a Chuffy, thanks.
Nice one a Chuffy, thanks.
In reply to Post #3
Dave Mallin wrote about using this or very similar 10/15 years ago I'm pretty sure
Dave Mallin wrote about using this or very similar 10/15 years ago I'm pretty sure
In reply to Post #1
I remember him talking on one the carp cast episodes a couple of years ago about this rig, worth a listen
I remember him talking on one the carp cast episodes a couple of years ago about this rig, worth a listen
Would be paranoid a fish picks it up, gets away with it and leaves the bait near the bottom of the D...... 
In reply to Post #9
That's the whole point of the rig Wayne, think about it, if it picks that up and try's to blows it out what happens
That's the whole point of the rig Wayne, think about it, if it picks that up and try's to blows it out what happens
In reply to Post #10
Suck,blow, suck,blow
Suck,blow, suck,blow
He use it for bottom baits aswell? Or just pop ups
In reply to Post #10
The trouble is no rig is 100% anti eject. It can be very effective on some waters, but not others. Depends on carp size and their feeding habits. I like the D rig mechanics but IMHO has some negatives to consider.
1, nuisance fish picking it up and messing it up.
2, if it does get picked up by a carp or large tench and the hook point grabs hold, and a few ejects later that mini ring the bait is mounted on can become stuck/wedged in the v of the join of the D rig and hook link. That Fish could bolt off making you a happy angler, or spit it out and leave it uneffective for the next pick up.
3, I Prefer very buoyant pop ups that are overshotted, for the reset properties.
4. Can you keep it tangle free ?
The trouble is no rig is 100% anti eject. It can be very effective on some waters, but not others. Depends on carp size and their feeding habits. I like the D rig mechanics but IMHO has some negatives to consider.
1, nuisance fish picking it up and messing it up.
2, if it does get picked up by a carp or large tench and the hook point grabs hold, and a few ejects later that mini ring the bait is mounted on can become stuck/wedged in the v of the join of the D rig and hook link. That Fish could bolt off making you a happy angler, or spit it out and leave it uneffective for the next pick up.
3, I Prefer very buoyant pop ups that are overshotted, for the reset properties.
4. Can you keep it tangle free ?
In reply to Post #13
I have spent probably hundreds of hours like most playing around with rigs and there's is a problem with nearly all the rigs I've tried and tied. When the bait is blown out and the hair folds back, instead of pulling the hook point inwards, into the lip, it tends to pull it outwards and prevents penetration, the fish can easily blow the hook out with the weight of the bait
If you tie one of your rigs up, put a bait on and pull it over you thumb until the hook point just sticks in. Now hold the bait, the bit that the carp will blow outwards. Pull on the bait as if you are simulating the “blow” and you will see that you can pull very hard and the point will not penetrate, it will not pull down in alignment with the point if that makes sense. The longer you whip up the hook shank the more it exaggerates this. This gives a fish the opportunity to shed the hook, quite easily in some cases
Now do the same and pull on the hook length section, the point pulls straight in and downwards, every time!!!!
So when I say it was a bit of smart thinking it is, because here you are using the bait to hook the fish and not relying on the fish pulling against the lead
All rigs have flaws. I have tried variants of this myself and and there are obvious flaws like already mentioned but it's a trade off. I don't use this type of rig but the ones I use now work on the same principe, just not as good as the ones below
I have spent probably hundreds of hours like most playing around with rigs and there's is a problem with nearly all the rigs I've tried and tied. When the bait is blown out and the hair folds back, instead of pulling the hook point inwards, into the lip, it tends to pull it outwards and prevents penetration, the fish can easily blow the hook out with the weight of the bait
If you tie one of your rigs up, put a bait on and pull it over you thumb until the hook point just sticks in. Now hold the bait, the bit that the carp will blow outwards. Pull on the bait as if you are simulating the “blow” and you will see that you can pull very hard and the point will not penetrate, it will not pull down in alignment with the point if that makes sense. The longer you whip up the hook shank the more it exaggerates this. This gives a fish the opportunity to shed the hook, quite easily in some cases
Now do the same and pull on the hook length section, the point pulls straight in and downwards, every time!!!!
So when I say it was a bit of smart thinking it is, because here you are using the bait to hook the fish and not relying on the fish pulling against the lead
All rigs have flaws. I have tried variants of this myself and and there are obvious flaws like already mentioned but it's a trade off. I don't use this type of rig but the ones I use now work on the same principe, just not as good as the ones below
In reply to Post #11
Suck,blow, suck,blow
That was the Nashy anaolgy yes? Basically after a fish has initially been nailed by the hook they will then blow AND suck to try and get rid of it, it's what happens on the suck that's just as important and most people don't consider, I know I didn't
Suck,blow, suck,blow
That was the Nashy anaolgy yes? Basically after a fish has initially been nailed by the hook they will then blow AND suck to try and get rid of it, it's what happens on the suck that's just as important and most people don't consider, I know I didn't