Hi,
which hook is best used with a pop up?
is there a hook pattern suited to all Chod rigs, Multi rigs , 360 rig?
I want to get stocked up with hooks and rigs for when we can fish again but the choice is endless!
cheers
which hook is best used with a pop up?
is there a hook pattern suited to all Chod rigs, Multi rigs , 360 rig?
I want to get stocked up with hooks and rigs for when we can fish again but the choice is endless!
cheers
In reply to Post #1
I don't think you need that many pop up rigs buddy.
If you get a pack of chod hooks they'll be fine for the chod and/or the multi. Job done.
I don't think you need that many pop up rigs buddy.
If you get a pack of chod hooks they'll be fine for the chod and/or the multi. Job done.
In reply to Post #2
i was thinking that or hoping that.. with so many companies trying to sell you gear its hard to know whats required and whats just for a companies profits!
i was thinking that or hoping that.. with so many companies trying to sell you gear its hard to know whats required and whats just for a companies profits!
In reply to Post #2
I agree
Or some size 4 curves for 360/ronnie if thats your bag
I agree
Or some size 4 curves for 360/ronnie if thats your bag
In reply to Post #1
As Yonny says, you don't need that many pop-up rigs.
My answer to the question is no, there is not one hook that is suitable for all pop-up rigs.
I use a few patterns, but tend to use only one pop-up rig at a time, quite literally, only on one rod, dependant on the water, although the early part of last year, I was fishing chod rigs ** on two rods, just fiddling with pop-up baits until I found one or two that caught regularly.
Plain basic standard, rig on the end of the line, D-rigs Solar 101's, knotless knot rigs with pop-up tied on, Kamasan B175.
Helicopter set-up Chod rigs, Gardner Muggas.
On either lead set-up, if I use a Ronnie rig, it will be either a Solar 101 or Gardner Mugga.
I can't comment on Multi rigs as I simply don't use them.
** @Yonny,
He knows how much I dislike using any helicopter or chod rig set-up as I have found it can lead to funny hook-ups, hookpulls and unless regularly checked line breakages, also it can give reduced indication.
As Yonny says, you don't need that many pop-up rigs.
My answer to the question is no, there is not one hook that is suitable for all pop-up rigs.
I use a few patterns, but tend to use only one pop-up rig at a time, quite literally, only on one rod, dependant on the water, although the early part of last year, I was fishing chod rigs ** on two rods, just fiddling with pop-up baits until I found one or two that caught regularly.
Plain basic standard, rig on the end of the line, D-rigs Solar 101's, knotless knot rigs with pop-up tied on, Kamasan B175.
Helicopter set-up Chod rigs, Gardner Muggas.
On either lead set-up, if I use a Ronnie rig, it will be either a Solar 101 or Gardner Mugga.
I can't comment on Multi rigs as I simply don't use them.
** @Yonny,
He knows how much I dislike using any helicopter or chod rig set-up as I have found it can lead to funny hook-ups, hookpulls and unless regularly checked line breakages, also it can give reduced indication.
I've been tying up some Multi Rigs with coated braid and a curved hook.
The hook sits very aggresively (too much IMO but I could be wrong!)
I think I'll try with an out turned eye hook, would that be most peoples preference?
The hook sits very aggresively (too much IMO but I could be wrong!)
I think I'll try with an out turned eye hook, would that be most peoples preference?
In reply to Post #6
As per usual, Yonny has hit the nail on the head. Out turned eyes for chods/hinges/multis, curves for ronnies. Simples. No need to complicate it any further.
Plenty use curved patterns with multis successfully. I didn't like the gape being closed like you say so didn't persevere with them.
Muggas and chods Nick?
That last sentence is absolute nonsense I'm afraid... I've used rotary style lead set ups exclusively for the best part of 10 years. I suffer a hookpull or two a year fishing heavily weeded waters, I've never had the line breakages you mention and I've never wanted for better indication.
As per usual, Yonny has hit the nail on the head. Out turned eyes for chods/hinges/multis, curves for ronnies. Simples. No need to complicate it any further.
Plenty use curved patterns with multis successfully. I didn't like the gape being closed like you say so didn't persevere with them.
Muggas and chods Nick?
That last sentence is absolute nonsense I'm afraid... I've used rotary style lead set ups exclusively for the best part of 10 years. I suffer a hookpull or two a year fishing heavily weeded waters, I've never had the line breakages you mention and I've never wanted for better indication.
In reply to Post #1
The new esp trig-hammers are worth a look at. Wickedly sharp straight out of the packet. The sizing is very generous and the eyes quite small, though this is deliberate I think as they were designed to be a better Ronnie rig hook.
I've turned the eye in slightly more to create a modern and safer version of the bent hook rig using a tungsten sleeve just covering the eye. The pop up is attached with a hook ring swivel via a loop multi rig style to facilitate an easy hook change. Use a piece of dental floss to pull the loop through the eye of the hook.
The new esp trig-hammers are worth a look at. Wickedly sharp straight out of the packet. The sizing is very generous and the eyes quite small, though this is deliberate I think as they were designed to be a better Ronnie rig hook.
I've turned the eye in slightly more to create a modern and safer version of the bent hook rig using a tungsten sleeve just covering the eye. The pop up is attached with a hook ring swivel via a loop multi rig style to facilitate an easy hook change. Use a piece of dental floss to pull the loop through the eye of the hook.
In reply to Post #7
Sorry Mate,
I've been carp fishing for some 30 years, lost fish to hookpulls and line breakages with 'naked' helicopter set-ups have been documented by some well known anglers in books; Big Carp by Tim Paisley is one. I found it to be a problem myself, and even Terry Hearn on Yateley found it to be a problem, which is the main reason that leadcore came in to fishing. Tim Paisley resorted to a stronger mono leader, Lee Jackson switched to a version with tubing.
I've lost fish to helicopter rigs with a single bleep at range. Yet the fish had moved around 30metres or so with no indicator movement, and again, this has been documented in articles. I think it was Leon Hoogendijk on Wraysbury in a Carpworld article where he found the lead moved away from his baited patch, which had been totally vacuumed clean.
I even did some experiments with it on a particular water, ANY semi-fixed lead set up gets reduced indication. You don't get indication unless the fish runs, game over, yet in many cases the fish don't run; they can sit and eject the hook.
Basically you could well be missing out on fish and not even knowing it, simply from indication you have not received, Unless you are striking every bleep or indicator quiver.
Muggas and Chods, yes, it works.
Sorry Mate,
I've been carp fishing for some 30 years, lost fish to hookpulls and line breakages with 'naked' helicopter set-ups have been documented by some well known anglers in books; Big Carp by Tim Paisley is one. I found it to be a problem myself, and even Terry Hearn on Yateley found it to be a problem, which is the main reason that leadcore came in to fishing. Tim Paisley resorted to a stronger mono leader, Lee Jackson switched to a version with tubing.
I've lost fish to helicopter rigs with a single bleep at range. Yet the fish had moved around 30metres or so with no indicator movement, and again, this has been documented in articles. I think it was Leon Hoogendijk on Wraysbury in a Carpworld article where he found the lead moved away from his baited patch, which had been totally vacuumed clean.
I even did some experiments with it on a particular water, ANY semi-fixed lead set up gets reduced indication. You don't get indication unless the fish runs, game over, yet in many cases the fish don't run; they can sit and eject the hook.
Basically you could well be missing out on fish and not even knowing it, simply from indication you have not received, Unless you are striking every bleep or indicator quiver.
Muggas and Chods, yes, it works.
In reply to Post #9
I'm with Tom on this one. Heli's are great if done right.
Muggas may work for chods but advocating their use in place of a hook pattern specifically designed for the mechanics of the chod rig is ridiculous imo.
I'm with Tom on this one. Heli's are great if done right.
Muggas may work for chods but advocating their use in place of a hook pattern specifically designed for the mechanics of the chod rig is ridiculous imo.
In reply to Post #9
Totally agree Yonny.
Nick, you raise some valid points mate but putting them on threads like this, where someone is asking for a simple answer does nothing but confuse people unnecessarily.
I'm sure Muggas may work for your chods but suggesting them in this instance makes it feel like you're just playing devils advocate and going against the grain for the sake of it.
I appreciate you have found these things but as I say I've exclusively used helicopters for a long time, as have many thousands of people and blaming them for things like hookpulls is total nonsense.
Backing it up by using examples from 20 years ago hardly validates your argument.... We know how to avoid those situations now and tackle has come on a long way.
The Wraysbury example is ancient as well. Finding rigs off the spot is a regular occurrence for boat anglers and has nothing to do with helicopters whatsoever.
I know we miss out on chances. I've done plenty of stalking in gin clear water and have watched dozens of fish get away with it. Using BIG inlines 2 yards from the bank you get no indication of that, none. That's happening all the time it in the lake, that's part and parcel of the game and why I always use rigs that stand the best chance of resetting. If you're trying to tell me that you'll know about every fish that picks up a rig by using running leads you're mistaken, imo.
Totally agree Yonny.
Nick, you raise some valid points mate but putting them on threads like this, where someone is asking for a simple answer does nothing but confuse people unnecessarily.
I'm sure Muggas may work for your chods but suggesting them in this instance makes it feel like you're just playing devils advocate and going against the grain for the sake of it.
I appreciate you have found these things but as I say I've exclusively used helicopters for a long time, as have many thousands of people and blaming them for things like hookpulls is total nonsense.
Backing it up by using examples from 20 years ago hardly validates your argument.... We know how to avoid those situations now and tackle has come on a long way.
The Wraysbury example is ancient as well. Finding rigs off the spot is a regular occurrence for boat anglers and has nothing to do with helicopters whatsoever.
I know we miss out on chances. I've done plenty of stalking in gin clear water and have watched dozens of fish get away with it. Using BIG inlines 2 yards from the bank you get no indication of that, none. That's happening all the time it in the lake, that's part and parcel of the game and why I always use rigs that stand the best chance of resetting. If you're trying to tell me that you'll know about every fish that picks up a rig by using running leads you're mistaken, imo.
In reply to Post #6
That's how a multi works best ime mate, looks very aggressive but the hook holds are superb
That's how a multi works best ime mate, looks very aggressive but the hook holds are superb
In reply to Post #12
Chods in my opinion. Can use them on hinge stiff/chods and multi rigs job done
Chods in my opinion. Can use them on hinge stiff/chods and multi rigs job done