In reply to Post #60
The snagless bowl scenario is an example where the fish would trail everything forever and a day, you cant say that is less dangerous than a helisafe setup.
Tbf I'm happy with either, and would chuck them both into the drink without hesitation, hey ho
The snagless bowl scenario is an example where the fish would trail everything forever and a day, you cant say that is less dangerous than a helisafe setup.
Tbf I'm happy with either, and would chuck them both into the drink without hesitation, hey ho
I think Ip100 has competely missed the point here.
In that scinario, a snagless bowl, a naked helicopter with a helisafe would leave the fish trailing a hooklink and some line.
His lead clip with the tail rubber pushed on will leave the fish with the hooklink, line and a lead. But that's safer
In that scinario, a snagless bowl, a naked helicopter with a helisafe would leave the fish trailing a hooklink and some line.
His lead clip with the tail rubber pushed on will leave the fish with the hooklink, line and a lead. But that's safer
In reply to Post #62
Oh ffs you really are being silly now
Oh ffs you really are being silly now
In reply to Post #62
When using a helicopter rig, a fish should be able to dislodge the top bead using the weight of the lead only and shaking its head a little. If that isnt achievable, the lead is too light or the top bead is too tight. Dropping the lead means this cannot be achieved.
It shouldnt be relying on snags etc
When using a helicopter rig, a fish should be able to dislodge the top bead using the weight of the lead only and shaking its head a little. If that isnt achievable, the lead is too light or the top bead is too tight. Dropping the lead means this cannot be achieved.
It shouldnt be relying on snags etc
In reply to Post #64
Yes. Of course. I know how a helicopter rig works. But you are missing the point.
What is the difference between a cracked off helocopter rig that has dropped the lead, and so the top bead can no longer be dislodged.
And a cracked off lead clip that has dropped the lead?
Yes. Of course. I know how a helicopter rig works. But you are missing the point.
What is the difference between a cracked off helocopter rig that has dropped the lead, and so the top bead can no longer be dislodged.
And a cracked off lead clip that has dropped the lead?
In reply to Post #65
Very little in theory. But the safety aspect of a helicopter rig is one of the more important factors of it, and removing that safety aspect defeats the object of it really. Your much better off with alternative set ups
Very little in theory. But the safety aspect of a helicopter rig is one of the more important factors of it, and removing that safety aspect defeats the object of it really. Your much better off with alternative set ups
In reply to Post #66
Yes exactly.
I would never use a heli safe, but Its laughable that people say that dropping the lead on a helocopter rig is a death rig, when the reality is, it leaves it exactly the same as every other rig ever.
Yes exactly.
I would never use a heli safe, but Its laughable that people say that dropping the lead on a helocopter rig is a death rig, when the reality is, it leaves it exactly the same as every other rig ever.
In reply to Post #67
I agree 100%
I agree 100%
In reply to Post #67
It's an interesting debate for sure. And I can see both sides of the argument. Every time we put a rig in the water, there is an element of risk attached. In one way the helisafe eliminates some risk, in others it can cause unnecessary risk. But as you say, the unnecessary risk is no greater than any set up used. It just in my opinion, defeats the object of a helicopter rig, other than for presentation.
It's an interesting debate for sure. And I can see both sides of the argument. Every time we put a rig in the water, there is an element of risk attached. In one way the helisafe eliminates some risk, in others it can cause unnecessary risk. But as you say, the unnecessary risk is no greater than any set up used. It just in my opinion, defeats the object of a helicopter rig, other than for presentation.
Keith Moore was then and is now 100% right in his stance against the evil stuff...That is all 
In reply to Post #69
We can only use what we hope to be the best. In theory a helicopter with a fixed lead is the safest. But you only have to crack off and end up with a birds nest up the line slightly larger than the swivel ring, and that hooklink isn't coming off, leaving the fish trailing a far more dangerous contraption than most other rigs.
We can only use what we hope to be the best. In theory a helicopter with a fixed lead is the safest. But you only have to crack off and end up with a birds nest up the line slightly larger than the swivel ring, and that hooklink isn't coming off, leaving the fish trailing a far more dangerous contraption than most other rigs.
In reply to Post #70
What's the evil stuff??
What's the evil stuff??
In reply to Post #72
Lead core I think, u know the stuff all the top companies sell and most of the top anglers use, lol.
Lead core I think, u know the stuff all the top companies sell and most of the top anglers use, lol.
In reply to Post #73
could argue the act of hooking them with a sharp hook and heavy lead and dragging them in is evil also. As well as being man handled on the bank, even it is with utter care. Still will cause distress to more carp ever than the amount carp distressed by the use of leaders.
could argue the act of hooking them with a sharp hook and heavy lead and dragging them in is evil also. As well as being man handled on the bank, even it is with utter care. Still will cause distress to more carp ever than the amount carp distressed by the use of leaders.
In reply to Post #67
You are missing the point slightly.
A helicopter set-up relies on the weight staying on for the hooklink (rig) to be able to be ejected off the leader or mainline. The lead catches, rig pulls off the other end.
With no lead attached, the broken line, be that leader or mainline, the rig will just 'stick' in the middle of the broken line, unable to come off either end as the line trails either side..
You then have a fish trailing line and rig which can potentially snag up should it swim round an obstacle.
Adding Leaders to any set-up is increasing the potential for tethering, whether using lead clips (horrible things, the spawn of the Devil himself😖😆😉
, run rings or helicopter attachments.
To my mind you should only use leaders when the water is snag and mostly weed free. If there are any snags or heavy weed then accept you can't use a leader and can't cast as far.
A run ring on a leader Should allow the lead to come off the end. The run ring will come off the broken end, getting over most bounceback loops, tangles and knots. A lead clip must be able to eject the lead.
The lead clip itself should be fitted tightly to hooklink swivel, unable to come free, but must eject the lead.
If there is no weight on the rig, the carp can eject, from its lips, even a deeply buried hook, leaving the rig on the lakebed. Ken Townley has mentioned this in articles and a chapter in Tim Paisley's Big Carp. Add any weight (fixed lead), or even weed jammed or trapped on the leadclip and the weight holds the hook in place.
You are missing the point slightly.
A helicopter set-up relies on the weight staying on for the hooklink (rig) to be able to be ejected off the leader or mainline. The lead catches, rig pulls off the other end.
With no lead attached, the broken line, be that leader or mainline, the rig will just 'stick' in the middle of the broken line, unable to come off either end as the line trails either side..
You then have a fish trailing line and rig which can potentially snag up should it swim round an obstacle.
Adding Leaders to any set-up is increasing the potential for tethering, whether using lead clips (horrible things, the spawn of the Devil himself😖😆😉
, run rings or helicopter attachments.To my mind you should only use leaders when the water is snag and mostly weed free. If there are any snags or heavy weed then accept you can't use a leader and can't cast as far.
A run ring on a leader Should allow the lead to come off the end. The run ring will come off the broken end, getting over most bounceback loops, tangles and knots. A lead clip must be able to eject the lead.
The lead clip itself should be fitted tightly to hooklink swivel, unable to come free, but must eject the lead.
If there is no weight on the rig, the carp can eject, from its lips, even a deeply buried hook, leaving the rig on the lakebed. Ken Townley has mentioned this in articles and a chapter in Tim Paisley's Big Carp. Add any weight (fixed lead), or even weed jammed or trapped on the leadclip and the weight holds the hook in place.