In reply to Post #45
I think they look pretty good. I have a rtempest already so won't be buying one, but from a tempest bivvy user, I have the following thoughts on this.
If you watch the clip where it shows a breakdown of the central boss, it actually looks quite solid, the clip system looks fairly strong and issue free, a better twist on the system than cyprinus.
The nylon elbows look like a good idea, badly executed. The fixed loop for the skull cap is a massive improvement on the trakker system where you have to bolt bits of plastic on, however, I'd like to have seen the elbows fitted on the top of the poles as this would allow the skull cap to remain fitted, seems a simple thing to have overlooked.
Increased head room all round, which from what I read on here, seems to be a major gripe with the tempests.
I'd liken buying this to buying a bmw. If you go for the cheaper bottom of the range one, you don't get the side vents on the door, or there advanced vents on the sides, and I'm assuming the ones fitted will not be able to be zipped down. If you buy bottom of the range, we will let you and everyone else know about it.
Overall looks good, and nothing wrong with a bit of competition, imagine how good trakker next helping will be.
I think they look pretty good. I have a rtempest already so won't be buying one, but from a tempest bivvy user, I have the following thoughts on this.
If you watch the clip where it shows a breakdown of the central boss, it actually looks quite solid, the clip system looks fairly strong and issue free, a better twist on the system than cyprinus.
The nylon elbows look like a good idea, badly executed. The fixed loop for the skull cap is a massive improvement on the trakker system where you have to bolt bits of plastic on, however, I'd like to have seen the elbows fitted on the top of the poles as this would allow the skull cap to remain fitted, seems a simple thing to have overlooked.
Increased head room all round, which from what I read on here, seems to be a major gripe with the tempests.
I'd liken buying this to buying a bmw. If you go for the cheaper bottom of the range one, you don't get the side vents on the door, or there advanced vents on the sides, and I'm assuming the ones fitted will not be able to be zipped down. If you buy bottom of the range, we will let you and everyone else know about it.
Overall looks good, and nothing wrong with a bit of competition, imagine how good trakker next helping will be.
In reply to Post #44
That's a very good point
This is where Fox can wriggle if it came to it. To me they look nigh on identical, even down to the bag the thing goes in. It's like all they can do is copy and can't come up with their own unique ideas.
Fox used to be a brand leader with the original purpose built bedchair, now like sheep, they just follow the heard and copy well proven ideas. Pee poor in my book.
I will say that they have advanced Chris Manifolds Tempest design, so there's something on the plus side.
That's a very good point
This is where Fox can wriggle if it came to it. To me they look nigh on identical, even down to the bag the thing goes in. It's like all they can do is copy and can't come up with their own unique ideas.
Fox used to be a brand leader with the original purpose built bedchair, now like sheep, they just follow the heard and copy well proven ideas. Pee poor in my book.
I will say that they have advanced Chris Manifolds Tempest design, so there's something on the plus side.
In reply to Post #47
Let's just get right to the point that you are just bashing Fox here. If you think the block design is Trakkers then you truly are deluded. They have taken a design and then put their own spin on it. If Tempests were actually made well then I could understand your attitude to others modifying the design. I'm pretty sure that there are lots of added design features that make the Frontier different to the Tempest.
Let's just get right to the point that you are just bashing Fox here. If you think the block design is Trakkers then you truly are deluded. They have taken a design and then put their own spin on it. If Tempests were actually made well then I could understand your attitude to others modifying the design. I'm pretty sure that there are lots of added design features that make the Frontier different to the Tempest.
In reply to Post #48
Probably because they have form for selling *****.
Probably because they have form for selling *****.
In reply to Post #49
Tell me a company that doesn't?
Tell me a company that doesn't?
In reply to Post #50
ESP.
ESP.
In reply to Post #48
I'm pretty sure that there are lots of added design features that make the Frontier different to the Tempest.
Yeah, by calling it the Frontier instead of the Tempest, oh, and a non folding block instead of Trakkers block. True innovators. Amazing.
There are reams of other people commenting on the YouTube video that Fox have put up in English saying the same thing, so I know I'm not alone. Maybe you're team Fox? I do like the green they've used. If I were looking for a new bivvy I'd go for a Tempest advanced 100 as much as I dislike their funny green they use.
Fox is like the tackle you buy when you first get into carp angling, cheap and cheerful and does a job, then it falls to bits, and then you move on never to make the same mistake twice.
I'm pretty sure that there are lots of added design features that make the Frontier different to the Tempest.
Yeah, by calling it the Frontier instead of the Tempest, oh, and a non folding block instead of Trakkers block. True innovators. Amazing.
There are reams of other people commenting on the YouTube video that Fox have put up in English saying the same thing, so I know I'm not alone. Maybe you're team Fox? I do like the green they've used. If I were looking for a new bivvy I'd go for a Tempest advanced 100 as much as I dislike their funny green they use.
Fox is like the tackle you buy when you first get into carp angling, cheap and cheerful and does a job, then it falls to bits, and then you move on never to make the same mistake twice.
In reply to Post #52
Get it right, he is team trakker, I'm team fox.
#pukka pies #steakandkidney #chickenandmushroom.
Get it right, he is team trakker, I'm team fox.
#pukka pies #steakandkidney #chickenandmushroom.
In reply to Post #52
Ok bud, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
ESP is actually a good call. They made a mistake going into reels though👍
Ok bud, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.ESP is actually a good call. They made a mistake going into reels though👍
In reply to Post #50
Time will tell as always, my money is on all that netting falling apart first followed by the material de-laminating followed by the MK2 at 20% more money.
Time will tell as always, my money is on all that netting falling apart first followed by the material de-laminating followed by the MK2 at 20% more money.
In reply to Post #55
Not in that order though, trakker have the patent on that
Not in that order though, trakker have the patent on that
In reply to Post #55
It's interesting that you say this. I've had a few bivvys over time. Original Evo, no issues. Original Dillo and Aqua M3, no issues. First Supa Brolly, no issues. Tempest V1, had 3. Broke the zip on 1 in Leslies proving a point how bad they were. V2, still got for the moment but it has had the front arms replaced because they are absolutely pony. Evo Compact, still got and use for 95% of my angling. The V2 will be going and getting replaced as I've been waiting for something like the Frontier for a while
Out of all the bivvys I've had the design that I like the most has been the most problematic due to awful build quality.
It's interesting that you say this. I've had a few bivvys over time. Original Evo, no issues. Original Dillo and Aqua M3, no issues. First Supa Brolly, no issues. Tempest V1, had 3. Broke the zip on 1 in Leslies proving a point how bad they were. V2, still got for the moment but it has had the front arms replaced because they are absolutely pony. Evo Compact, still got and use for 95% of my angling. The V2 will be going and getting replaced as I've been waiting for something like the Frontier for a while
Out of all the bivvys I've had the design that I like the most has been the most problematic due to awful build quality.
In reply to Post #54
He has a point, there is nothing groundbreaking in the design, 5 years to come up with that ? Do me a favor i know the Fox lot aren't the sharpest tools in the shed but 5 years
He has a point, there is nothing groundbreaking in the design, 5 years to come up with that ? Do me a favor i know the Fox lot aren't the sharpest tools in the shed but 5 years
In reply to Post #52
I think the reason loads on youtube say it's exactly like the Tempest is likely noobs that only know
a post Tempest world.
As I pointed out Fox had the Explorer, Nash had the Titan . Both using a central block many years ago.
Before that Fox had the evo which was the first ribs on the outside shelter unless im much mistaken.
If you know the evo, this latest Fox bivvy borrows as much from that as it does the old explorer.
Pushing down on a hub and forcing a front pole into a slot is very evo.
I think the reason loads on youtube say it's exactly like the Tempest is likely noobs that only know
a post Tempest world.
As I pointed out Fox had the Explorer, Nash had the Titan . Both using a central block many years ago.
Before that Fox had the evo which was the first ribs on the outside shelter unless im much mistaken.
If you know the evo, this latest Fox bivvy borrows as much from that as it does the old explorer.
Pushing down on a hub and forcing a front pole into a slot is very evo.
In reply to Post #59
Once upon a time you wouldn't have had a thread like this because there was less product around but it was built to last.
I've still got my UK made Armo, knocks spots off anything out there today, in over 30 years i've had 3 bivvies the latest being a Tempest, other than vents nothing much has changed except the quality and price.
Once upon a time you wouldn't have had a thread like this because there was less product around but it was built to last.
I've still got my UK made Armo, knocks spots off anything out there today, in over 30 years i've had 3 bivvies the latest being a Tempest, other than vents nothing much has changed except the quality and price.