What are people views on using the Korda Heli safe when fishing naked chod/heli style?
In reply to Post #46
I think it's a decent product when used naked for the correct angling situation.
I think it's a decent product when used naked for the correct angling situation.
In reply to Post #46
I prefer the naked setup in a rotary configuration because the weak point changes to the helisafe swivel instead of the leader loop.
I did use this setup in France a few years ago on thick Tiger Line Fluorocarbon but only because the venue was 6ft deep in soft silt with nearby thick beds of lilly pads and bull rushes where my usual safe lead clip run rigs were rendered useless.
I did go against my usual fishing tactics and I dropped the leads knowing that the hook link could pull free no matter where a break on the main line occured even without the lead.
I know some posters have suggested that dropping leads is un-necessary in any circumstances but I totally disagree.
For me snag fishing and pva bag tactics do justify it.
Again it comes down to fish care.
I prefer the naked setup in a rotary configuration because the weak point changes to the helisafe swivel instead of the leader loop.
I did use this setup in France a few years ago on thick Tiger Line Fluorocarbon but only because the venue was 6ft deep in soft silt with nearby thick beds of lilly pads and bull rushes where my usual safe lead clip run rigs were rendered useless.
I did go against my usual fishing tactics and I dropped the leads knowing that the hook link could pull free no matter where a break on the main line occured even without the lead.
I know some posters have suggested that dropping leads is un-necessary in any circumstances but I totally disagree.
For me snag fishing and pva bag tactics do justify it.
Again it comes down to fish care.
In reply to Post #45
Ozzywelshborn
I dont believe in weak hook lengths, I think every rig should have the strength to catch the biggest or hardest fighting fish in the venue.
The korda helisafe is a useful gizmo and I prefer using it without a leader for reasons Ive specified in my previous post.
By dropping the lead on leadcore / leaders it keeps the hook link attached because it cannot pull free
Ozzywelshborn
I dont believe in weak hook lengths, I think every rig should have the strength to catch the biggest or hardest fighting fish in the venue.
The korda helisafe is a useful gizmo and I prefer using it without a leader for reasons Ive specified in my previous post.
By dropping the lead on leadcore / leaders it keeps the hook link attached because it cannot pull free
Not sure if you'll be able to see this but someone has posted a video on Facebook that sums this up perfectly
LINK
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In reply to Post #50
No doesn't work
No doesn't work
In reply to Post #51
Works for me.
Works for me.
In reply to Post #52
Hmm says links broken for me
Hmm says links broken for me
In reply to Post #53
I think you have to be signed into FB and then it's in a group that you may have to be a member of
I've asked him to put it up on YouTube, don't know if he will of course
I think you have to be signed into FB and then it's in a group that you may have to be a member of
I've asked him to put it up on YouTube, don't know if he will of course
If I think I may need to have the lead drop on a helicoptor setup (only if fishing near heavy weed beds), I will use the 6lb breaking strain C Clips, which will only drop the lead should it become snagged up & if a top bead takes 6lb pressure to dislodge it, then it is too tight even for a standard lead on a traditional clip at end of the leader! The top bead should come off with a shake of the hooklink. I know that I can shake a 1.5oz lead on the end of a leader with a C clip on it & the top bead will dislodge with ease. If it doesn't, then it doesn't get cast out!
Also seems to be a lot of anglers that will use too light of a mainline with leadcore or any high breaking strain leader. I will always use the heaviest mainline I can get away with (usually 0.38mm+ which with a good knot will break at least 18lb breaking strain usually a lot more!).
Also seems to be a lot of anglers that will use too light of a mainline with leadcore or any high breaking strain leader. I will always use the heaviest mainline I can get away with (usually 0.38mm+ which with a good knot will break at least 18lb breaking strain usually a lot more!).
This has been done to death on here over the years. A long time ago there was a great thread on snag fishing and after plenty of falling out everybody came to agree that the safest method was a run rig and a barbless hook was the safest method
I have been a massive fan of lead core but for the last few years I decided to drop it because it can be dangerous, especially in the wrong hands!
The video below is very good but if you use leadcore in weed, especially blanket weed It can wrap up and cover the top bead, I have had this many times, and if you have a long length of leadcore above the top bead, this has the potential to fold fold over and lock the bead, couple this with weed and it is not coming off. I have to say those safety beads are a very good step forward though. Beats a piece of spaghetti!
A few years ago now there was a lad fishing near me and I was watching him play a fish out, next thing he had lost it. I was having a chat with him, said he had a hook pull. The following day I went down and fished the same spot, thats where the fish were. As I sat there a fish kept swirling under the weed, just didn't look right to me, they don't do that. I cast a lead over it to see what was going off, after a few attempts I picked a line up, I managed to get hold of it and pull it all back towards me, at the net a massive ball of weed and one absolutely exhausted 20lb mirror that was connected to a lead core ball of weed. I still have the picture somewhere of the leadcore. He didn't have a hook pull, it had got weeded and he had pulled and got a break. Luckily I managed to free it. Certainly gets you thinking.
The trouble is with carp fishing we are conditioned to use things that we don't really need. The first clear leaders were made by TFG before everybody jumped on the bandwagon. I was straight onto them, anything for an edge and then I realised, no difference to my catch rate and why do I want to use something so thick when there are other alternatives!
For the last few years I have used mono to around 5 foot of Fluoro carbon for the simple reason I get the sink factor of the Fluoro and also loose the horrible casting nature of Fluoro, so as I see it the best of both worlds. I also use an ESP lead clip since I cannot find a better alternative for a lead connection at the moment. I don't like lead clips at all, there is too much free movement before a fish hits the lead and I am aware that it costs me fish now and again. That my personal choice of course. Nothing for me is as good as a helicopter but I won't compromise on fish safety, it's a trade off for me
I have been a massive fan of lead core but for the last few years I decided to drop it because it can be dangerous, especially in the wrong hands!
The video below is very good but if you use leadcore in weed, especially blanket weed It can wrap up and cover the top bead, I have had this many times, and if you have a long length of leadcore above the top bead, this has the potential to fold fold over and lock the bead, couple this with weed and it is not coming off. I have to say those safety beads are a very good step forward though. Beats a piece of spaghetti!
A few years ago now there was a lad fishing near me and I was watching him play a fish out, next thing he had lost it. I was having a chat with him, said he had a hook pull. The following day I went down and fished the same spot, thats where the fish were. As I sat there a fish kept swirling under the weed, just didn't look right to me, they don't do that. I cast a lead over it to see what was going off, after a few attempts I picked a line up, I managed to get hold of it and pull it all back towards me, at the net a massive ball of weed and one absolutely exhausted 20lb mirror that was connected to a lead core ball of weed. I still have the picture somewhere of the leadcore. He didn't have a hook pull, it had got weeded and he had pulled and got a break. Luckily I managed to free it. Certainly gets you thinking.
The trouble is with carp fishing we are conditioned to use things that we don't really need. The first clear leaders were made by TFG before everybody jumped on the bandwagon. I was straight onto them, anything for an edge and then I realised, no difference to my catch rate and why do I want to use something so thick when there are other alternatives!
For the last few years I have used mono to around 5 foot of Fluoro carbon for the simple reason I get the sink factor of the Fluoro and also loose the horrible casting nature of Fluoro, so as I see it the best of both worlds. I also use an ESP lead clip since I cannot find a better alternative for a lead connection at the moment. I don't like lead clips at all, there is too much free movement before a fish hits the lead and I am aware that it costs me fish now and again. That my personal choice of course. Nothing for me is as good as a helicopter but I won't compromise on fish safety, it's a trade off for me
The only thing to actually improve the ‘safety' of carp since people moved away from hooklinks light enough to give them a sporting chance.... Covid 19 
Everything else is a theoretical best case scenario.
You can't use a lead clip or running lead on a leader and claim dropping leads on a helicopter set up as dangerous because they all have the same potential outcome.
Everything else is a theoretical best case scenario.
You can't use a lead clip or running lead on a leader and claim dropping leads on a helicopter set up as dangerous because they all have the same potential outcome.
In reply to Post #58
Exactly that Noj.
“Nothing for me is as good as a helicopter but I won't compromise on fish safety, it's a trade off for me”
That doesn't make any sense Scozza. If you get cut off with clips you are 100% leaving the fish trailing your leader. At least with the helicopters they have the chance of being left with only a hooklink.
Exactly that Noj.
“Nothing for me is as good as a helicopter but I won't compromise on fish safety, it's a trade off for me”
That doesn't make any sense Scozza. If you get cut off with clips you are 100% leaving the fish trailing your leader. At least with the helicopters they have the chance of being left with only a hooklink.
In reply to Post #59
Agree. My point is about helicopters and the bead not coming off, that's deadly
Agree. My point is about helicopters and the bead not coming off, that's deadly