In reply to Post #30
If you're fishing a heli set up the safety element is that the hooklink can run off the leader and mainline - the breaking strain of the hooklink makes no difference to this.
If you're fishing a leadclip ir inline system - it doesn't matter if you have a 10lb hooklink and a 30ml mainline, if you crack off on the cast, or get cut off on a bar the fish is towing the hoolink and the leader. A fish isn't going to break a 10lb hooklink.
If you're fishing a heli set up the safety element is that the hooklink can run off the leader and mainline - the breaking strain of the hooklink makes no difference to this.
If you're fishing a leadclip ir inline system - it doesn't matter if you have a 10lb hooklink and a 30ml mainline, if you crack off on the cast, or get cut off on a bar the fish is towing the hoolink and the leader. A fish isn't going to break a 10lb hooklink.
In reply to Post #28
How do they get to know better. All they are being encouraged to do is buy lots of the latest gear, lots of the latest bait and pile it in. Big hits, big fish. Fish like a new age carp hero, YEEEHAAAAA.
How do they get to know better. All they are being encouraged to do is buy lots of the latest gear, lots of the latest bait and pile it in. Big hits, big fish. Fish like a new age carp hero, YEEEHAAAAA.
In reply to Post #20
Have not fished a heli rig to be honest but if I was to fish it I take it that Korda Heli safe system in not in favour as the hook length wont run off the leader?
Have not fished a heli rig to be honest but if I was to fish it I take it that Korda Heli safe system in not in favour as the hook length wont run off the leader?
In reply to Post #1
When I used to this i wouldn't fish a top bead just PVA up for the cast. There is always some resistance so I wasn't to bothered with indication etc...
When I used to this i wouldn't fish a top bead just PVA up for the cast. There is always some resistance so I wasn't to bothered with indication etc...
In reply to Post #30
Totally agree, but I think we may be in the minority here.
I've always used a weaker hook link than my main line with the thought to minimise what the carp is left with if the worse happens and the carp finds a snag.
Totally agree, but I think we may be in the minority here.
I've always used a weaker hook link than my main line with the thought to minimise what the carp is left with if the worse happens and the carp finds a snag.
Go back to Chuffy. "never drop the lead on lead core." Nuff said.
What about this then.
https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/advice/rigs/articles/how-to-tie-the-perfect-in-line-big-carp-fishing-rig
https://www.anglingtimes.co.uk/advice/rigs/articles/how-to-tie-the-perfect-in-line-big-carp-fishing-rig
In reply to Post #33
Ozzywelshborn
The helisafe dumps the weight off the end of the leadcore which then means the fish cannot pull the hook length off the leadcore in the event of a mainline break.
There's nothing for the hook length to pull against and move the top bead over the leadcore loop to free the hook length.
Ozzywelshborn
The helisafe dumps the weight off the end of the leadcore which then means the fish cannot pull the hook length off the leadcore in the event of a mainline break.
There's nothing for the hook length to pull against and move the top bead over the leadcore loop to free the hook length.
In reply to Post #37
Karmh
And that's in the angling times!
Shocking
Karmh
And that's in the angling times!
Shocking
In reply to Post #39
Yeah that's my point. Look how long the leader is.
'the perfect way'
Yeah that's my point. Look how long the leader is.
'the perfect way'
In reply to Post #40
It is a old article to be fair.
I'm really surprised to see this is still a hot topic, I remember nicks article from years ago! Whilst I will always be in the pro leadcore group he was the only one who actually quantified his statements with evidence.
It is horses for courses though, I've always been taught the safest thing for the carp is to land it and there are certain situations when fishing straight through mainline will put the carp at more risk
With complete novices I think the fisheries have minimised the risks as much as they can. The waters that would attract your first time carper or part time novice tend to have bans on barbed hooks, leaders and removed all the snags.
A syndicate I use to fish done safety talks & rig checks often(not ideal when you've just got it pin point
) but everyone was reasonable and offered advice.
I don't think we should put so much pressure on the brands marketing at the end of the day they need to make a living and they are catering to all types of experienced anglers. It's the fisheries that need to protect their stock and manage accordingly to the type of anglers they attract.
It is a old article to be fair.
I'm really surprised to see this is still a hot topic, I remember nicks article from years ago! Whilst I will always be in the pro leadcore group he was the only one who actually quantified his statements with evidence.
It is horses for courses though, I've always been taught the safest thing for the carp is to land it and there are certain situations when fishing straight through mainline will put the carp at more risk
With complete novices I think the fisheries have minimised the risks as much as they can. The waters that would attract your first time carper or part time novice tend to have bans on barbed hooks, leaders and removed all the snags.
A syndicate I use to fish done safety talks & rig checks often(not ideal when you've just got it pin point
) but everyone was reasonable and offered advice.I don't think we should put so much pressure on the brands marketing at the end of the day they need to make a living and they are catering to all types of experienced anglers. It's the fisheries that need to protect their stock and manage accordingly to the type of anglers they attract.
In reply to Post #41
I agree with that, I only use leadcore really on a ressy where it's pretty much all rocks all the way down the margins so if the fish decides to put its head down at the last minute then bang he's gone without using leadcore. So it's 90% of fish left with a braided hooklink in there mouth with no leader or risk it a little but a much higher chance of landing the fish.
I agree with that, I only use leadcore really on a ressy where it's pretty much all rocks all the way down the margins so if the fish decides to put its head down at the last minute then bang he's gone without using leadcore. So it's 90% of fish left with a braided hooklink in there mouth with no leader or risk it a little but a much higher chance of landing the fish.
In reply to Post #42
Spot on
Thats one of the scenarios that in my opinion, I feel leadcore makes that situation safer for the carp.
Spot on
Thats one of the scenarios that in my opinion, I feel leadcore makes that situation safer for the carp.
In reply to Post #41
Cheers,
I can't remember how many years ago I argued over that article, it is at least 6 now from working out my living arrangements. Why I can remember it so well is simply because it was such an emotive subject.
For years I avoided using leaders unless I absolutely had to, they would not be used in any weedy or snaggy water. I used a mainline that had good abrasion resistance, I checked it regularly.
However, last year I started fishing a large reservoir, with the remains of buildings on the bottom; concrete blocks, metal guttering, bricks, a road and drain culverts.
To cope with fish staying deep, and running around some of these, I had to go back to a 'rubbing' leader, or snag leader. I landed a double figure carp that had shredded the leader, it looked like it had been shaved.
I lost two (or three?) fish to snapped hooklinks, while using 15lb mainline to a 30lb Leader.
I think is where we come up with our problems.
Any person can go out and buy the gear. They can catch fish, they may have genuine skills, watercraft, brilliant. They become experienced, but they may not know the 'safe' way to fish.
Not everyone is a social angler. That now experienced angler could be fishing in a manner that could lead to tethered fish, without even knowing it is not safe.
This is where anglers need a test before getting their licence.
Then we have fisheries, from club waters, season tickets, syndicates and day tickets. Even day ticket waters are different. There are some of the bigger day ticket waters that not only encourage, but insist on safe angling, and will check, yet some are 'anything goes'.
Season ticket waters, clubs or national park fishery. Some are anything goes, others are strict on enforcing rules.
Personally, I think waters should be registered or even licenced.
Tackle brands, I don't think everything is designed with fish safety in mind, some is most definitely sold in money making over fish safety, or even manufactured with flaws, a case in point to me was Korda lead clips. Clicking onto the swivel, a lazy and dangerous flaw. Not every swivel is the same size, smaller swivel loops or barrel can see the lead clip running free, and the lead unable to eject.
Yes Korda recommended their own swivels, but I grab a size 8 swivel, I don't have the eyesight to see any minor difference in size between brands.
It is not just Korda though, I just picked on my favourite hate😖😅, other brands are equally as guilty.
This is where tackle manufacturers from Nash, Fox, Gardner and any other need to take a step back and look at tackle safety.
At this point we go back to the angler again...
Cheers,
I can't remember how many years ago I argued over that article, it is at least 6 now from working out my living arrangements. Why I can remember it so well is simply because it was such an emotive subject.
For years I avoided using leaders unless I absolutely had to, they would not be used in any weedy or snaggy water. I used a mainline that had good abrasion resistance, I checked it regularly.
However, last year I started fishing a large reservoir, with the remains of buildings on the bottom; concrete blocks, metal guttering, bricks, a road and drain culverts.
To cope with fish staying deep, and running around some of these, I had to go back to a 'rubbing' leader, or snag leader. I landed a double figure carp that had shredded the leader, it looked like it had been shaved.
I lost two (or three?) fish to snapped hooklinks, while using 15lb mainline to a 30lb Leader.
I think is where we come up with our problems.
Any person can go out and buy the gear. They can catch fish, they may have genuine skills, watercraft, brilliant. They become experienced, but they may not know the 'safe' way to fish.
Not everyone is a social angler. That now experienced angler could be fishing in a manner that could lead to tethered fish, without even knowing it is not safe.
This is where anglers need a test before getting their licence.
Then we have fisheries, from club waters, season tickets, syndicates and day tickets. Even day ticket waters are different. There are some of the bigger day ticket waters that not only encourage, but insist on safe angling, and will check, yet some are 'anything goes'.
Season ticket waters, clubs or national park fishery. Some are anything goes, others are strict on enforcing rules.
Personally, I think waters should be registered or even licenced.
Tackle brands, I don't think everything is designed with fish safety in mind, some is most definitely sold in money making over fish safety, or even manufactured with flaws, a case in point to me was Korda lead clips. Clicking onto the swivel, a lazy and dangerous flaw. Not every swivel is the same size, smaller swivel loops or barrel can see the lead clip running free, and the lead unable to eject.
Yes Korda recommended their own swivels, but I grab a size 8 swivel, I don't have the eyesight to see any minor difference in size between brands.
It is not just Korda though, I just picked on my favourite hate😖😅, other brands are equally as guilty.
This is where tackle manufacturers from Nash, Fox, Gardner and any other need to take a step back and look at tackle safety.
At this point we go back to the angler again...
In reply to Post #38
So the korda system is not a good one even with a low rated hook length. Thanks
So the korda system is not a good one even with a low rated hook length. Thanks