In reply to Post #35
What if the line behind the lead is snagged up just like you mentioned ?
How then does the lead come off when it's fixed to a ring ?
What if the line behind the lead is snagged up just like you mentioned ?
How then does the lead come off when it's fixed to a ring ?
In reply to Post #37
Ok if your casting small leads small distances but small leads with running rigs defeats the object , them C clips you mention are dangerous and could cost an angler his life if a lead came free on a large cast , good for marginal work but not for casting any distance , as you said they open under a small amount of pressure
Ok if your casting small leads small distances but small leads with running rigs defeats the object , them C clips you mention are dangerous and could cost an angler his life if a lead came free on a large cast , good for marginal work but not for casting any distance , as you said they open under a small amount of pressure
In reply to Post #39
God you're like a big kid
Just because someone said that running rigs with small leads work best with small leads doesn't mean it's right
‘Documented' ****ing hilarious 😂
Did you mention Ken too and what he writes ?
God you're like a big kid
Just because someone said that running rigs with small leads work best with small leads doesn't mean it's right ‘Documented' ****ing hilarious 😂
Did you mention Ken too and what he writes ?
In reply to Post #41
That's it mate you stick to the mags and the videos/ forums
That's it mate you stick to the mags and the videos/ forums
In reply to Post #36
Have a look at a proper running lead clip. The lead is mounted on a breakaway section.
Have a look at a proper running lead clip. The lead is mounted on a breakaway section.
Whats peoples views on running leadclip with tubing pushed into tail rubber thats been put out there by a high profile angler, i personally think it makes the rig more dangerous?
In reply to Post #44
Another step towards making it even more risky, in my opinion.
Another step towards making it even more risky, in my opinion.
In reply to Post #40
Have a read of THIS, by a highly respected angler and fishery owner, see what you think
Have a read of THIS, by a highly respected angler and fishery owner, see what you think
In reply to Post #44
Still safer than a truly fixed leadclip in my opinion.
Woudn't recommend it of course.
Still safer than a truly fixed leadclip in my opinion.
Woudn't recommend it of course.
In reply to Post #47
Pb products hit and run system has to be the safest out there I can't fault it
Pb products hit and run system has to be the safest out there I can't fault it
In reply to Post #34
I'm sorry, but which part of an unfixed lead clip can't discharge the lead don't you get?
Unless the lead clip is attached to the hooklink swivel, by pin, or tied, not the pushed click onto swivel type, it will not eject the lead. The click lock lead clips can pull free from the swivel, making them unsafe in their own right.
The tail rubber can not move unless it is pushed free from a fixed in place lead clip. If the lead clip can move on the line it can not eject.
The SIZE of the bore, the hole in the run ring means it would have to be a large knot for that not to pass over, the lead in itself is helping the line go through the run ring. It only takes a tiny knot or piece of rubbish for the lead clip to be unable to pass over the knot and line.
I have pictures of lead clips tangled up in weed and snags that have not ejected the lead, some still with fake baits attached. In one picture I think it was four leads I retrieved still attached to a bundle of crud.
Lead clips should not be used for running set-ups, simple as!
Personally I gave up reading mags when I noticed how often dangerous set-ups were being published, and started trying to make that point on forums. It might be worth asking Moorsey about that as he was asked to write an article in defence of the point I was trying to make. The magazine editor even refused to allow me to publish his replies to me, which for some reason I honoured even though they got quite offensive, as did the reply in the magazine against my concerns.
I'm sorry, but which part of an unfixed lead clip can't discharge the lead don't you get?
Unless the lead clip is attached to the hooklink swivel, by pin, or tied, not the pushed click onto swivel type, it will not eject the lead. The click lock lead clips can pull free from the swivel, making them unsafe in their own right.
The tail rubber can not move unless it is pushed free from a fixed in place lead clip. If the lead clip can move on the line it can not eject.
The SIZE of the bore, the hole in the run ring means it would have to be a large knot for that not to pass over, the lead in itself is helping the line go through the run ring. It only takes a tiny knot or piece of rubbish for the lead clip to be unable to pass over the knot and line.
I have pictures of lead clips tangled up in weed and snags that have not ejected the lead, some still with fake baits attached. In one picture I think it was four leads I retrieved still attached to a bundle of crud.
Lead clips should not be used for running set-ups, simple as!
Personally I gave up reading mags when I noticed how often dangerous set-ups were being published, and started trying to make that point on forums. It might be worth asking Moorsey about that as he was asked to write an article in defence of the point I was trying to make. The magazine editor even refused to allow me to publish his replies to me, which for some reason I honoured even though they got quite offensive, as did the reply in the magazine against my concerns.
In reply to Post #49
Unfortunately Nick you're arguing with someone who would rather fish dangerously than admit that they're wrong on this occasion.
Unfortunately Nick you're arguing with someone who would rather fish dangerously than admit that they're wrong on this occasion.
In reply to Post #50
Can I just be rude to him instead then?😖😅😉
Can I just be rude to him instead then?😖😅😉
In reply to Post #52
Don't lower yourself to his level
Don't lower yourself to his level
In reply to Post #49
You're not getting what I'm saying at all .
What if the line cracks off and curls up at the end gathering crud AS it travels through the water , the leadclip with lead will travel down this line till it meets the crud if it isn't snagged , same as a running lead , the lead would more likely discharge on debris being towed along the bottom if the lead clip is set up correctly as it should , the running lead can't discharge if it's on a fixed run ring can it ? , the running lead could then become tethered halting the fish in its tracks . What part of this scenario don't you understand ?
You can't see into the water and watch what happens to each and every fish or particular cracked of rig that has been picked up by a fish , you are just trying to make 1 situation to suit what happens if the lead can slide of the line , what happens if It CANT ? My scenario was based on what Boysie posted up with the line curling up at the end .
I too have seen some horrific rigs over the years with FIXED leads always being the culprit as the tail rubber had been pushed on too far , this isn't a fixed lead rig , it's semi fixed with a tail rubber ready to discharge the lead if the fish is trailing the rig because of crud on the snapped end of line .
I understand mechanics of all set up lead arrangements and where and when they should or should not be used , trust me I can make my own judgements on lead arrangements to suit any situation on any given day in any particular water being if it's snaggy , weed free , deep or shallow etc...I've been doing this over 30 years .
Maybe the editor didn't realise your concerns on said rigs you were talking about , please share the rigs you mentioned that were concerning you
Edit ... it was Daffy Duck who first started the name calling in the locked thread , so I thought it was acceptable to continue with name calling as these kind of people only understand insults
You're not getting what I'm saying at all .
What if the line cracks off and curls up at the end gathering crud AS it travels through the water , the leadclip with lead will travel down this line till it meets the crud if it isn't snagged , same as a running lead , the lead would more likely discharge on debris being towed along the bottom if the lead clip is set up correctly as it should , the running lead can't discharge if it's on a fixed run ring can it ? , the running lead could then become tethered halting the fish in its tracks . What part of this scenario don't you understand ?
You can't see into the water and watch what happens to each and every fish or particular cracked of rig that has been picked up by a fish , you are just trying to make 1 situation to suit what happens if the lead can slide of the line , what happens if It CANT ? My scenario was based on what Boysie posted up with the line curling up at the end .
I too have seen some horrific rigs over the years with FIXED leads always being the culprit as the tail rubber had been pushed on too far , this isn't a fixed lead rig , it's semi fixed with a tail rubber ready to discharge the lead if the fish is trailing the rig because of crud on the snapped end of line .
I understand mechanics of all set up lead arrangements and where and when they should or should not be used , trust me I can make my own judgements on lead arrangements to suit any situation on any given day in any particular water being if it's snaggy , weed free , deep or shallow etc...I've been doing this over 30 years .
Maybe the editor didn't realise your concerns on said rigs you were talking about , please share the rigs you mentioned that were concerning you
Edit ... it was Daffy Duck who first started the name calling in the locked thread , so I thought it was acceptable to continue with name calling as these kind of people only understand insults