In reply to Post #14
In reply to Post #13
Advocating the use of leaders to increase fish safety is amateurish. 0.35 braid doesn't cut into a fishes flank like cheese wire.
Yes it does.
Sorry, I'll find a rather nice report for you to read:
What are the disadvantages of braid then?
The lack of stretch and low diameter combine to make a very efficient cheese wire, which although capable of cutting through weed, can also cut through flesh (fish and human!). Zero-stretch also means that there is no cushioning effect and great care needs to be taken so as not to tear hooks out during the fight. The battle is likely to be a more hairy experience than you may be familiar with and can take a bit of getting used to. Sudden pressure, such as that exerted during casting, can cause fine braids to snap without any stretch to absorb some of the strain.
Is there anything that can be done to mitigate those issues?
Indeed there is. Let's look at casting first. A hard cast can result in a finger cut to the bone but a leather finger stall or casting glove will eliminate the chance of this occurring. Ensuring the clutch is done up tight stops any slippage causing a sawing action. The other option is to add a monofilament leader to the set up, which is kinder on the skin. Leader knots tend to be a little complicated to tie so it's worth learning a good one such as the Mahin, if you're going to use braid extensively.
Are there other benefits of using a leader?
Yes, and the leader has other benefits too. It adds an element of cushioning, making playing fish in the margins less hairy. In addition it keeps the fine braid well away from the carps' flanks so it's less likely to lift scales or cut into them in the event of a breakage.
Don't fish braided mainline naked
It could be if not used with care. You shouldn't fish “naked” like you can with mono and fluorocarbon as there is a risk of a fine, non-stretch material causing damage. Your set-up should always incorporate some thicker material such as tubing, leadcore, lead-free or maybe a fused leader in order to protect fishes' flanks. Another factor with braid is that it lasts a long, long time as it won't rot in the same way as mono. Consequently it is essential that you use gear that is up to the job. Braid's longevity is one of its bonuses but not if it's cracked off and attached to a carp
In reply to Post #13
Advocating the use of leaders to increase fish safety is amateurish. 0.35 braid doesn't cut into a fishes flank like cheese wire.
Yes it does.
Sorry, I'll find a rather nice report for you to read:
What are the disadvantages of braid then?
The lack of stretch and low diameter combine to make a very efficient cheese wire, which although capable of cutting through weed, can also cut through flesh (fish and human!). Zero-stretch also means that there is no cushioning effect and great care needs to be taken so as not to tear hooks out during the fight. The battle is likely to be a more hairy experience than you may be familiar with and can take a bit of getting used to. Sudden pressure, such as that exerted during casting, can cause fine braids to snap without any stretch to absorb some of the strain.
Is there anything that can be done to mitigate those issues?
Indeed there is. Let's look at casting first. A hard cast can result in a finger cut to the bone but a leather finger stall or casting glove will eliminate the chance of this occurring. Ensuring the clutch is done up tight stops any slippage causing a sawing action. The other option is to add a monofilament leader to the set up, which is kinder on the skin. Leader knots tend to be a little complicated to tie so it's worth learning a good one such as the Mahin, if you're going to use braid extensively.
Are there other benefits of using a leader?
Yes, and the leader has other benefits too. It adds an element of cushioning, making playing fish in the margins less hairy. In addition it keeps the fine braid well away from the carps' flanks so it's less likely to lift scales or cut into them in the event of a breakage.
Don't fish braided mainline naked
It could be if not used with care. You shouldn't fish “naked” like you can with mono and fluorocarbon as there is a risk of a fine, non-stretch material causing damage. Your set-up should always incorporate some thicker material such as tubing, leadcore, lead-free or maybe a fused leader in order to protect fishes' flanks. Another factor with braid is that it lasts a long, long time as it won't rot in the same way as mono. Consequently it is essential that you use gear that is up to the job. Braid's longevity is one of its bonuses but not if it's cracked off and attached to a carp
In reply to Post #16
It's official guys. The report is in 😂
It's official guys. The report is in 😂
In reply to Post #15
This is irrelevant. You're talking about tules of lakes set by lake owners to mitigate the chances of fish damage.
This is irrelevant. You're talking about tules of lakes set by lake owners to mitigate the chances of fish damage.
In reply to Post #18
This is irrelevant. You're talking about tules of lakes set by lake owners to mitigate the chances of fish damage.
Well from your second sentence it means it has become relevant.
This is irrelevant. You're talking about tules of lakes set by lake owners to mitigate the chances of fish damage.
Well from your second sentence it means it has become relevant.
How about you test the materials acorss your arm, try and simulate various situations, and compare the results. If it cuts you, it will cut a fish
I think a leader of some description should always be used when fishing braid straight through to the lead, it could be tubing, a length of flouro, mono even leadcore.
I have seen first hand damage caused to carp from braid straight through and braid snag leaders, i am yet to see any thankfullly when a mono or such type leader is used at the end of the braided section.
Regards to braid hooklengths i was carp fishing before braid hooklengths were thought of and saw the introduction of them i haven't seen any damage caused by them, i think maybe the hook which is in direct contact to the mouth and a line aligner of some description vastly reduces the chance of any damage?
I have seen first hand damage caused to carp from braid straight through and braid snag leaders, i am yet to see any thankfullly when a mono or such type leader is used at the end of the braided section.
Regards to braid hooklengths i was carp fishing before braid hooklengths were thought of and saw the introduction of them i haven't seen any damage caused by them, i think maybe the hook which is in direct contact to the mouth and a line aligner of some description vastly reduces the chance of any damage?
In reply to Post #21
Possibly that most hooklengths are a round profile and mainline are square. Not sure.
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Possibly that most hooklengths are a round profile and mainline are square. Not sure.
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In reply to Post #22
Braided mainline is banned on a lot of waters and tbh people using braid straight through is just going to make more lakes ban it. I appreciate there are different diameters and profiles but to cover all circumstances a leader of some sort must be used and its a fair enough rule to follow.
Braided mainline is banned on a lot of waters and tbh people using braid straight through is just going to make more lakes ban it. I appreciate there are different diameters and profiles but to cover all circumstances a leader of some sort must be used and its a fair enough rule to follow.
In reply to Post #19
My point was it's irrelevant talking about someone else's opinion. The fact a lake owner(s) decided to band braid straight through has no relevance to a debate regarding the diameters of braid causing more problems than thinner monos. That's all I meant by that
My point was it's irrelevant talking about someone else's opinion. The fact a lake owner(s) decided to band braid straight through has no relevance to a debate regarding the diameters of braid causing more problems than thinner monos. That's all I meant by that
In reply to Post #23
Totally agree. One I abide to and even if it wasn't a rule I would still use a leader, there isn't a scenario in which I wouldn't. Just playing devils advocate.
Totally agree. One I abide to and even if it wasn't a rule I would still use a leader, there isn't a scenario in which I wouldn't. Just playing devils advocate.
What do people use when using a braid shock leader for long range fishing
In reply to Post #26
Tubing or another leader after the leader. Same when using a braided snag leader.
Tubing or another leader after the leader. Same when using a braided snag leader.
In reply to Post #27
Isn't that worse having 2 knots and leaders ? Tubing I can understand more but I've never seen anyone use it when distance casting on big lakes.
Isn't that worse having 2 knots and leaders ? Tubing I can understand more but I've never seen anyone use it when distance casting on big lakes.
In reply to Post #28
A well tied leader knot won't fail. An extra knot isn't ideal, but I think the pros outweigh the cons.
A well tied leader knot won't fail. An extra knot isn't ideal, but I think the pros outweigh the cons.
In reply to Post #10
Do you really think a braid with 0.34mm is causing no more damage than 15lb mono straight through?
Do you really think a braid with 0.34mm is causing no more damage than 15lb mono straight through?