In reply to Post #13
Not a lot no, 5 or 6 strokes with a Jag file just to hone the point.
I've had 2 hooks snap from 11 bites so it's like it's happening often and both fish were landed. I'm just wondering if these heavy gauge hooks are more 'brittle' than the thinner options which will obviously flex a bit more. Im not sure how to post pictures but they don't seem to snap where you would expect them to which I find interesting.
Not a lot no, 5 or 6 strokes with a Jag file just to hone the point.
I've had 2 hooks snap from 11 bites so it's like it's happening often and both fish were landed. I'm just wondering if these heavy gauge hooks are more 'brittle' than the thinner options which will obviously flex a bit more. Im not sure how to post pictures but they don't seem to snap where you would expect them to which I find interesting.
In reply to Post #16
Nah, embrittlement is related to the mechanical properties of the steel rather than dimensional properties (i.e. wire gauge). Assuming a thinner/thicker hook is made from kosher wire, and processed (heat treated) correctly, the gauge will have no relevance to embrittlement. Of course it stands to reason that a thinner hook will be weaker then a thicker one, but seeing a XX snap is very unusual.
A few years ago I tested a bunch of hooks in my lab at work and the Korda jobbies were the softest of the lot (but still within a range more than acceptable). So to see one bend maybe a possibility but to see one snap is really odd. Snapping almost always occurs below the barb, next to the bend of the hook. It's almost always caused by improper loading of the hook which as you rightly say acts as a spring. This is normally caused by a dodgy hook hold. You might just have been really unlucky in this regard.
Nah, embrittlement is related to the mechanical properties of the steel rather than dimensional properties (i.e. wire gauge). Assuming a thinner/thicker hook is made from kosher wire, and processed (heat treated) correctly, the gauge will have no relevance to embrittlement. Of course it stands to reason that a thinner hook will be weaker then a thicker one, but seeing a XX snap is very unusual.
A few years ago I tested a bunch of hooks in my lab at work and the Korda jobbies were the softest of the lot (but still within a range more than acceptable). So to see one bend maybe a possibility but to see one snap is really odd. Snapping almost always occurs below the barb, next to the bend of the hook. It's almost always caused by improper loading of the hook which as you rightly say acts as a spring. This is normally caused by a dodgy hook hold. You might just have been really unlucky in this regard.
In reply to Post #15
Joss those G-Force curves were special along with the Blackout Hooklink. The RM ones are good though and sharp out of the packet.
Joss those G-Force curves were special along with the Blackout Hooklink. The RM ones are good though and sharp out of the packet.
In reply to Post #18
yeah the blackout in 20lb was perfect for the multi rig, the thickness was spot on for the hook eye reducing any slips.
Ive still got both hooks and blackout
yeah the blackout in 20lb was perfect for the multi rig, the thickness was spot on for the hook eye reducing any slips.
Ive still got both hooks and blackout
In reply to Post #15
In response to you and the OP, Did you ever try these from VMC?
VMC Mystic Curve
Just remembered I had some rigs tied up with these that I was given as samples.
They hold their points sharpness very well, and are a good strong hook.
Biggest problem I had was getting hold of them. They were sold in UK for a year or so then disappeared, but are a French based company I think so might be more easily available in Belgium.
The other very strong curve shank, stronger than Gardner, were Gamakatsu GP204's. Again, I can't get hold of them.
In response to you and the OP, Did you ever try these from VMC?
VMC Mystic Curve
Just remembered I had some rigs tied up with these that I was given as samples.
They hold their points sharpness very well, and are a good strong hook.
Biggest problem I had was getting hold of them. They were sold in UK for a year or so then disappeared, but are a French based company I think so might be more easily available in Belgium.
The other very strong curve shank, stronger than Gardner, were Gamakatsu GP204's. Again, I can't get hold of them.
In reply to Post #15
Sorry dp
Sorry dp
In reply to Post #4
I can bend Muggas, but only on a straight pull with 15lb line. I actually like them when Barbel fishing on the tidal Trent for that reason, sometimes you get snagged on rocks and I'd rather get the gear back with a bent hook than pull for a break and leave it out there.
Never had one go on a fish though and they get a real beating.
I can bend Muggas, but only on a straight pull with 15lb line. I actually like them when Barbel fishing on the tidal Trent for that reason, sometimes you get snagged on rocks and I'd rather get the gear back with a bent hook than pull for a break and leave it out there.
Never had one go on a fish though and they get a real beating.
In reply to Post #20
not come across those mate
not come across those mate
In reply to Post #20
J precision, ridgemonkey, nash, and avid are all VMC hooks I believe.
J precision, ridgemonkey, nash, and avid are all VMC hooks I believe.
In reply to Post #24
If they are then they are worth using. Well other than I will try not to put any money in KN's pocket unless I have to.
Shows how one manufacturer manufacturers for other brands though. I do prefer to go direct to source if possible.
I've just been going through my rig bin, the VMC rigs tied up show signs of being used. I had to replace the battered coated braids and shrink tubing, but the hooks themselves are still draw blood sticky sharp
If they are then they are worth using. Well other than I will try not to put any money in KN's pocket unless I have to.
Shows how one manufacturer manufacturers for other brands though. I do prefer to go direct to source if possible.
I've just been going through my rig bin, the VMC rigs tied up show signs of being used. I had to replace the battered coated braids and shrink tubing, but the hooks themselves are still draw blood sticky sharp
In reply to Post #25
i remember using G-Hards back in the day at Les quis, they were very good hooks, only in barbless, expensive them days £10 a pack
i remember using G-Hards back in the day at Les quis, they were very good hooks, only in barbless, expensive them days £10 a pack
In reply to Post #1
Mugga continental for me , standard mugga take some beating , I've had cats around 100lb mark on standard muggas
Mugga continental for me , standard mugga take some beating , I've had cats around 100lb mark on standard muggas
In reply to Post #20
These VMC look a lot like the Ace curve shank hooks.
These VMC look a lot like the Ace curve shank hooks.
Nash fangs for me
In reply to Post #1
Had the same issues with the Korda's, its even on the forum here somewhere. Same replies and everything ("its not the hook, its your rig"). Switched to Mugga's and have never again seen a hook come up snapped or bent. Then again I never sharpen but change hooks.
Had the same issues with the Korda's, its even on the forum here somewhere. Same replies and everything ("its not the hook, its your rig"). Switched to Mugga's and have never again seen a hook come up snapped or bent. Then again I never sharpen but change hooks.