In reply to Post #6
Quote : If you try Mark1009's advice of a leadclip, cut the swivel off the lead. The swivel allows for a little extra movement, which can be enough for the carp to use to eject the hook.
Wow I can't believe sometimes what I'm reading on here , to suggest that a lead would be better off without the swivel is just plain stupidity and very dangerous .
Lead clips are designed for small diameter wire like you find on a swivel , if you cut the swivel off then the lead has a good chance of lodging in place and not ever coming off the clip because of its thicker gauge wire , bad advice imo , do not ever do this
Quote : If you try Mark1009's advice of a leadclip, cut the swivel off the lead. The swivel allows for a little extra movement, which can be enough for the carp to use to eject the hook.
Wow I can't believe sometimes what I'm reading on here , to suggest that a lead would be better off without the swivel is just plain stupidity and very dangerous .
Lead clips are designed for small diameter wire like you find on a swivel , if you cut the swivel off then the lead has a good chance of lodging in place and not ever coming off the clip because of its thicker gauge wire , bad advice imo , do not ever do this
In reply to Post #16
Plus the fact it may not sit right!
Plus the fact it may not sit right!
In reply to Post #17
Try a Heli lead on the leadclip.
Try a Heli lead on the leadclip.
In reply to Post #16
Wow I can't believe sometimes what I'm reading on here , to suggest that a lead would be better off without the swivel is just plain stupidity and very dangerous .
Lead clips are designed for small diameter wire like you find on a swivel , if you cut the swivel off then the lead has a good chance of lodging in place and not ever coming off the clip because of its thicker gauge wire , bad advice imo , do not ever do this
Bliss, once again you are talking out of your rear end.
I personally don't use Lead Clips, although I have a few in my tackle box. I have tested all the leads I own in the lead clip, and in fact, the lead with the swivel cut off, the wire gauge would slide off the lead clip as easily as with a swivel on.
Plus the fact it may not sit right!
It's actually more likely to sit right without the swivel!
Carpology article I think by Rob Hughes
THE PROS SECRETS: THE HUMBLE LEAD CLIP
Everyone uses a lead clip, right? It's just about the most versatile item of end tackle around and is subsequently one of the most popular.
EVERYONE USES A lead clip, right? Since they first arrived on the market, most carp anglers will have enjoyed their benefits. As far as convenience goes, it doesn't get much better.
Angling situation
But here's the thing: are they working for you, or against you? Like most of the articles I write for CARPology, I'm playing Devil's Advocate and offering my thoughts on the theme. I'm not the kind of guy to say ‘this is the right way' and that you should follow, but when it comes to these technical aspects, I believe it's right to analyse what you're trying to achieve and then tweaking it to suit the carp you're fishing for.
I'll give you an example. A few years ago I was stalking in a quiet corner of Baden Hall's Glovers Pool. There are a few little sloping sandy spots that you can get them to dip down onto if they're in the mood and you approach with caution. The lakebed can be softer than it looks in places here, as I found out after under-arming out my usual set-up: a QC Lead Clip, Naked Tailrubber and a long anti-tangle sleeve – gently onto the spot. Although the lead entered with minimum force, it sank into the ether, and the anti-tangle sleeve was sticking up like a crane!.
That scenario got me thinking. How many times have I been fishing ineffectively, all because I've got stuck in my ways using the same set-up all the time?
Lose the swivel
Another thing I started to play around with was leads that didn't have a brass loop and a swivel. At Avid, they had some leads made with a Double Barrel Ring Swivel moulded inside the lead, and this basically reduced any chance of a tangle to zero. What's more, it improved how rigs laid on the lakebed no matter what range was being fished, because there was never that hinge – that play that can cause tangles through the air, through the descent to the lakebed, or upon landing
My advice, don't follow anything carpe diem says as it is just trying to cause an argument, where he has no valid points to make.
Wow I can't believe sometimes what I'm reading on here , to suggest that a lead would be better off without the swivel is just plain stupidity and very dangerous .
Lead clips are designed for small diameter wire like you find on a swivel , if you cut the swivel off then the lead has a good chance of lodging in place and not ever coming off the clip because of its thicker gauge wire , bad advice imo , do not ever do this
Bliss, once again you are talking out of your rear end.
I personally don't use Lead Clips, although I have a few in my tackle box. I have tested all the leads I own in the lead clip, and in fact, the lead with the swivel cut off, the wire gauge would slide off the lead clip as easily as with a swivel on.
Plus the fact it may not sit right!
It's actually more likely to sit right without the swivel!
Carpology article I think by Rob Hughes
THE PROS SECRETS: THE HUMBLE LEAD CLIP
Everyone uses a lead clip, right? It's just about the most versatile item of end tackle around and is subsequently one of the most popular.
EVERYONE USES A lead clip, right? Since they first arrived on the market, most carp anglers will have enjoyed their benefits. As far as convenience goes, it doesn't get much better.
Angling situation
But here's the thing: are they working for you, or against you? Like most of the articles I write for CARPology, I'm playing Devil's Advocate and offering my thoughts on the theme. I'm not the kind of guy to say ‘this is the right way' and that you should follow, but when it comes to these technical aspects, I believe it's right to analyse what you're trying to achieve and then tweaking it to suit the carp you're fishing for.
I'll give you an example. A few years ago I was stalking in a quiet corner of Baden Hall's Glovers Pool. There are a few little sloping sandy spots that you can get them to dip down onto if they're in the mood and you approach with caution. The lakebed can be softer than it looks in places here, as I found out after under-arming out my usual set-up: a QC Lead Clip, Naked Tailrubber and a long anti-tangle sleeve – gently onto the spot. Although the lead entered with minimum force, it sank into the ether, and the anti-tangle sleeve was sticking up like a crane!.
That scenario got me thinking. How many times have I been fishing ineffectively, all because I've got stuck in my ways using the same set-up all the time?
Lose the swivel
Another thing I started to play around with was leads that didn't have a brass loop and a swivel. At Avid, they had some leads made with a Double Barrel Ring Swivel moulded inside the lead, and this basically reduced any chance of a tangle to zero. What's more, it improved how rigs laid on the lakebed no matter what range was being fished, because there was never that hinge – that play that can cause tangles through the air, through the descent to the lakebed, or upon landing
My advice, don't follow anything carpe diem says as it is just trying to cause an argument, where he has no valid points to make.
In reply to Post #19
Quote ....Another thing I started to play around with was leads that didn't have a brass loop and a swivel. At Avid, they had some leads made with a Double Barrel Ring Swivel moulded inside the lead, and this basically reduced any chance of a tangle to zero. What's more, it improved how rigs laid on the lakebed no matter what range was being fished, because there was never that hinge – that play that can cause tangles through the air, through the descent to the lakebed, or upon landing
What the hell are you talking about , you really have lost the plot , the article was on about leads that DIDN'T have a brass loop and a swivel , please people ignore this man's dangerous advice, its very dangerous to cut a swivel off a lead for use in a lead clip
Quote ....Another thing I started to play around with was leads that didn't have a brass loop and a swivel. At Avid, they had some leads made with a Double Barrel Ring Swivel moulded inside the lead, and this basically reduced any chance of a tangle to zero. What's more, it improved how rigs laid on the lakebed no matter what range was being fished, because there was never that hinge – that play that can cause tangles through the air, through the descent to the lakebed, or upon landing
What the hell are you talking about , you really have lost the plot , the article was on about leads that DIDN'T have a brass loop and a swivel , please people ignore this man's dangerous advice, its very dangerous to cut a swivel off a lead for use in a lead clip
In reply to Post #20
Sorry Andy but you're wrong. People have been cutting th swivels off for years ,it's nothing new,secret or dangerous. I personally don't cut them off but know others that do. They still discharge as required
Sorry Andy but you're wrong. People have been cutting th swivels off for years ,it's nothing new,secret or dangerous. I personally don't cut them off but know others that do. They still discharge as required
In reply to Post #21
It very much depends on the thickness of the wire loop, and the type of lead clip. I've got some old leads with just a thick wire loop, they will not discharge from certain types of lead clip. If it's a thin wire loop they will discharge similar to having a swivel attached.
It very much depends on the thickness of the wire loop, and the type of lead clip. I've got some old leads with just a thick wire loop, they will not discharge from certain types of lead clip. If it's a thin wire loop they will discharge similar to having a swivel attached.
In reply to Post #21
Got to agree with Ian before I started making my own leads I always used to cut the swivel off and never had a problem with them discharging
Got to agree with Ian before I started making my own leads I always used to cut the swivel off and never had a problem with them discharging
In reply to Post #21
Sorry Ian but you are wrong , lead clips differ from each manufacturer , as does the wire gauge on each maker's leads so to say that they do discharge means you must of tried every lead clip and cut every swivel off each different lead out there so in my eyes you cannot back that statement up .
I've tried it a long time ago as I thought I would ditch the swivel as it had no use but found on several lead clips that they will not come up and over the lip of the clip , I can dig some out for proof if need be .
Sorry Ian but you are wrong , lead clips differ from each manufacturer , as does the wire gauge on each maker's leads so to say that they do discharge means you must of tried every lead clip and cut every swivel off each different lead out there so in my eyes you cannot back that statement up .
I've tried it a long time ago as I thought I would ditch the swivel as it had no use but found on several lead clips that they will not come up and over the lip of the clip , I can dig some out for proof if need be .
In reply to Post #22
Same findings as me Ged
Same findings as me Ged
In reply to Post #24
So it depends on the different brands as opposed to being every one like you made out then ? Why not say that rather than just condemning it as dangerous? No I haven't tested each make of lead or clip, just as you haven't either! Makes no odds to me either way as I don't remove the swivel.
So it depends on the different brands as opposed to being every one like you made out then ? Why not say that rather than just condemning it as dangerous? No I haven't tested each make of lead or clip, just as you haven't either! Makes no odds to me either way as I don't remove the swivel.
In reply to Post #26
I've actually tried it myself personally and found on the lead and clip that I used that with cut off swivel would not eject from the clip , I can remember thinking that the lead I had with the cut off swivel will only be useful now only for helicopter rigs and it stayed in my bag for years unused as I prefer a swivel on my helicopter set ups .
Its not hard to try the rig to see if the lead can eject , you just need to try it before being used . I tried it and the swivel free lead wouldn't come off the clip , I didnt claim that all clips are the same if you read my post , 1 clip and 1 lead was enough for me to not use it , its called common sense
I've actually tried it myself personally and found on the lead and clip that I used that with cut off swivel would not eject from the clip , I can remember thinking that the lead I had with the cut off swivel will only be useful now only for helicopter rigs and it stayed in my bag for years unused as I prefer a swivel on my helicopter set ups .
Its not hard to try the rig to see if the lead can eject , you just need to try it before being used . I tried it and the swivel free lead wouldn't come off the clip , I didnt claim that all clips are the same if you read my post , 1 clip and 1 lead was enough for me to not use it , its called common sense
In reply to Post #20
I feel so sorry for you as you are the one who has lost the plot, and when you are wrong just get offensive.
Now I have a number of leads, from Korda, Fox, from various sellers on ebay and some a friend makes for me. The Korda leads have the thickest brass stem, and the tightest loop, but came off every lead clip make I tried; Korda (which have changed over the years, so all types), Fox, Bank Tackle, ESP and Gardner. The other leads all came off equally as easily. Just lifting the swivel end of the leadclip, the leads fell off every time, even where the lead coating had been continued up the loop as per Korda leads.
I used lead weights in 2oz, 2.5oz, 3, 3.5 and 5oz.
Please ignore carpe diem as he really has no clue what he is talking about
I feel so sorry for you as you are the one who has lost the plot, and when you are wrong just get offensive.
Now I have a number of leads, from Korda, Fox, from various sellers on ebay and some a friend makes for me. The Korda leads have the thickest brass stem, and the tightest loop, but came off every lead clip make I tried; Korda (which have changed over the years, so all types), Fox, Bank Tackle, ESP and Gardner. The other leads all came off equally as easily. Just lifting the swivel end of the leadclip, the leads fell off every time, even where the lead coating had been continued up the loop as per Korda leads.
I used lead weights in 2oz, 2.5oz, 3, 3.5 and 5oz.
Please ignore carpe diem as he really has no clue what he is talking about
In reply to Post #28
They might discharge without the swivel but which one discharges easier and quicker? Gone slightly of topic but interesting.
They might discharge without the swivel but which one discharges easier and quicker? Gone slightly of topic but interesting.
In reply to Post #27
Ok so one make of clip didn't work with one make of lead? It's not really basis to say it's dangerous to do so with all them then is it?
Ok so one make of clip didn't work with one make of lead? It's not really basis to say it's dangerous to do so with all them then is it?