In reply to Post #15
In that case then end the production of leadcore full stop .
And perhaps you should be firing off a few emails to some of carp anglings most influential instead of patronising me on here ??
Why can't I use the ‘if you cared that much' argument??
I stopped eel fishing because I could not guarantee not to deep hook fish . Therefore it was unsafe and detrimental to the eels . I stopped eel angling for good . Therefore there is weight to my argument.
Doesn't it fit your narrative ?
You fish your way and I'll fish mine .. safely .
In that case then end the production of leadcore full stop .
And perhaps you should be firing off a few emails to some of carp anglings most influential instead of patronising me on here ??
Why can't I use the ‘if you cared that much' argument??
I stopped eel fishing because I could not guarantee not to deep hook fish . Therefore it was unsafe and detrimental to the eels . I stopped eel angling for good . Therefore there is weight to my argument.
Doesn't it fit your narrative ?
You fish your way and I'll fish mine .. safely .
In reply to Post #15
Also may I add ...
Some waters specify the use of a leader as they don't want mono or braid lifting scales or cutting in to fish .
In your opinion these fishery owners are all wrong are they and your right ??
Perhaps fire them off a report of your research so they can see the error of their ways .
Also may I add ...
Some waters specify the use of a leader as they don't want mono or braid lifting scales or cutting in to fish .
In your opinion these fishery owners are all wrong are they and your right ??
Perhaps fire them off a report of your research so they can see the error of their ways .
I don't use leadcore personally I think it's horrible stuff. The same as fake baits like corn. Any crack off it's always fishing.
I do use leaders in snags or weed just because I've had mainline heavily damaged before when fishing naked. But it use a 3ft length of fluoro. No trace bead or loose bead on a sinker. Had a fish snag me up before and watched it bolt off when it dumped the bead so I no it works.
you just have to take your time to judge the situation your in. And make sure there's always a way to free a weeded fish ( boat or waders ) or in the case of a cut off it's a safe as possible.
I do use leaders in snags or weed just because I've had mainline heavily damaged before when fishing naked. But it use a 3ft length of fluoro. No trace bead or loose bead on a sinker. Had a fish snag me up before and watched it bolt off when it dumped the bead so I no it works.
you just have to take your time to judge the situation your in. And make sure there's always a way to free a weeded fish ( boat or waders ) or in the case of a cut off it's a safe as possible.
To come on a forum and be told NEVER ...
And don't ....
Run by a dictatorial *****
No wonder I haven't bothered with social media for 5 years .
So many people on here with their tongues firmly up his arse as well ...
Adios. ...
And don't ....
Run by a dictatorial *****
No wonder I haven't bothered with social media for 5 years .
So many people on here with their tongues firmly up his arse as well ...
Adios. ...
In reply to Post #19
Eh
Eh
Leadcore is fine... with a Barbless hook.
In reply to Post #19
**** sake! Is no one allowed to have a differing opinion anymore without it turning into an argument and everyone getting all sensitive?
Personally, i dont see how a limp material like leadcore, is more likely to get snagged than a springy material like mono, but some people disagree, they are entitled to their opinion and i respect that. Doesnt make either of us right or wrong, but why get in a hissy other it. Grow up
**** sake! Is no one allowed to have a differing opinion anymore without it turning into an argument and everyone getting all sensitive?
Personally, i dont see how a limp material like leadcore, is more likely to get snagged than a springy material like mono, but some people disagree, they are entitled to their opinion and i respect that. Doesnt make either of us right or wrong, but why get in a hissy other it. Grow up
In reply to Post #22
“Personally, i dont see how a limp material like leadcore, is more likely to get snagged than a springy material like mono, but some people disagree, they are entitled to there opinion and i respect that.“
Totally agree with this.
To recommend never using leaders near weed or snags seems mental to me. I'd rather protect them by not getting cut off in the first place than try to mitigate when it's already happened. Each to their own though.
“Personally, i dont see how a limp material like leadcore, is more likely to get snagged than a springy material like mono, but some people disagree, they are entitled to there opinion and i respect that.“
Totally agree with this.
To recommend never using leaders near weed or snags seems mental to me. I'd rather protect them by not getting cut off in the first place than try to mitigate when it's already happened. Each to their own though.
In reply to Post #23
Agree
Agree
I think the key using any leader is to use the Strongest line you can to get the distance you need. Hopefully to eliminate leaving tackle in fish. Nothing is 100% safe.
In reply to Post #16
In reply to Post #15
In that case then end the production of leadcore full stop .
And perhaps you should be firing off a few emails to some of carp anglings most influential instead of patronising me on here ??
Why can't I use the ‘if you cared that much' argument??
I stopped eel fishing because I could not guarantee not to deep hook fish . Therefore it was unsafe and detrimental to the eels . I stopped eel angling for good . Therefore there is weight to my argument.
Doesn't it fit your narrative ?
You fish your way and I'll fish mine .. safely .
Which post do you want me to answer first?
I haven't patronised you, I have attempted to explain my opinion, and reasons why. Your replies are patronising!
I have emailed magazines that printed leadcore articles, an article in particular that when I tested the setup showed itself to be a potential death rig. I contacted the editor at the time and showed my experiments, although he agreed privately in returned emails, he would not retract the article. He did however arrange a 'for and against' article debate. The article against leadcore was more constructive than the 'for' article! It also gave proof rather than a dig against 'armchair anglers who don't fish'. I do spend one heck of a lot of time fishing.
You can't use the 'if you cared that much' argument, reason being fishing is not something I do for Leisure, it is a way of life, it is in the blood. I return the fish I catch, however I know that putting a hook in their mouth is going to cause a small injury. I would much rather not kill anything I hook in freshwater. Sea fishing, if it is sizeable I would take home the occasional fish for the pot.
Is eel fishing relevant?
You can sort your hooking arrangement, you do not have to hook them deeply, you have an indication problem, which can be sorted by your lead arrangement, bigger or smaller hook, more sensitive indication.
In reply to Post #15
Also may I add ...
Some waters specify the use of a leader as they don't want mono or braid lifting scales or cutting in to fish .
In your opinion these fishery owners are all wrong are they and your right ??
Perhaps fire them off a report of your research so they can see the error of their ways
Let's go through this. When you floater fish, do you use a leader? I can totally understand having a leader with braid, as braid can cut into fish, (actually as can leadcore), however on those weedy waters braid is a liability, because you need a leader to protect the fish, although tubing will prevent it cutting.
#19 22 May 2022 at 6.12pm To come on a forum and be told NEVER ...
And don't ....
Run by a dictatorial *****
No wonder I haven't bothered with social media for 5 years .
So many people on here with their tongues firmly up his arse as well ...
Adios. ...
I don't run this forum, so I have no dictator powers on here
I doubt anyone has their tongue up my bottom.
Personally, i dont see how a limp material like leadcore, is more likely to get snagged than a springy material like mono, but some people disagree,
Leadcore is not limp, it does not fall into every trough or dip. It is actually quite stiff compared to mono. If we consider the 'safest' set up with leadcore is a helicopter rig, you need the line tight to get instant indication. So a tight line at anything under 40metres or do is going to be lifted off the lakebed. At more than that range the line is going to be running over the lakebed anyway.
The stiffness of leadcore, and its lack of 'slipperyness' compared to mono is enough to cause it to snag and bite into weed and snags. Mono can slide over, leadcore may not.
In reply to Post #15
In that case then end the production of leadcore full stop .
And perhaps you should be firing off a few emails to some of carp anglings most influential instead of patronising me on here ??
Why can't I use the ‘if you cared that much' argument??
I stopped eel fishing because I could not guarantee not to deep hook fish . Therefore it was unsafe and detrimental to the eels . I stopped eel angling for good . Therefore there is weight to my argument.
Doesn't it fit your narrative ?
You fish your way and I'll fish mine .. safely .
Which post do you want me to answer first?
I haven't patronised you, I have attempted to explain my opinion, and reasons why. Your replies are patronising!
I have emailed magazines that printed leadcore articles, an article in particular that when I tested the setup showed itself to be a potential death rig. I contacted the editor at the time and showed my experiments, although he agreed privately in returned emails, he would not retract the article. He did however arrange a 'for and against' article debate. The article against leadcore was more constructive than the 'for' article! It also gave proof rather than a dig against 'armchair anglers who don't fish'. I do spend one heck of a lot of time fishing.
You can't use the 'if you cared that much' argument, reason being fishing is not something I do for Leisure, it is a way of life, it is in the blood. I return the fish I catch, however I know that putting a hook in their mouth is going to cause a small injury. I would much rather not kill anything I hook in freshwater. Sea fishing, if it is sizeable I would take home the occasional fish for the pot.
Is eel fishing relevant?
You can sort your hooking arrangement, you do not have to hook them deeply, you have an indication problem, which can be sorted by your lead arrangement, bigger or smaller hook, more sensitive indication.
In reply to Post #15
Also may I add ...
Some waters specify the use of a leader as they don't want mono or braid lifting scales or cutting in to fish .
In your opinion these fishery owners are all wrong are they and your right ??
Perhaps fire them off a report of your research so they can see the error of their ways
Let's go through this. When you floater fish, do you use a leader? I can totally understand having a leader with braid, as braid can cut into fish, (actually as can leadcore), however on those weedy waters braid is a liability, because you need a leader to protect the fish, although tubing will prevent it cutting.
#19 22 May 2022 at 6.12pm To come on a forum and be told NEVER ...
And don't ....
Run by a dictatorial *****
No wonder I haven't bothered with social media for 5 years .
So many people on here with their tongues firmly up his arse as well ...
Adios. ...
I don't run this forum, so I have no dictator powers on here
I doubt anyone has their tongue up my bottom.
Personally, i dont see how a limp material like leadcore, is more likely to get snagged than a springy material like mono, but some people disagree,
Leadcore is not limp, it does not fall into every trough or dip. It is actually quite stiff compared to mono. If we consider the 'safest' set up with leadcore is a helicopter rig, you need the line tight to get instant indication. So a tight line at anything under 40metres or do is going to be lifted off the lakebed. At more than that range the line is going to be running over the lakebed anyway.
The stiffness of leadcore, and its lack of 'slipperyness' compared to mono is enough to cause it to snag and bite into weed and snags. Mono can slide over, leadcore may not.
To any normal person we are all mental.
Such attentiveness to the welfare of something we drag out of its environment purely for the satisfaction of doing so.
Sometimes I do chuckle
Such attentiveness to the welfare of something we drag out of its environment purely for the satisfaction of doing so.
Sometimes I do chuckle
So much for the original thread question, shame really....lol
In reply to Post #28
Appears to be a rather standard practice on here of late
Appears to be a rather standard practice on here of late
In reply to Post #1
Chod if it's getting long/deep with weed, stiff hinge if it's low lying or not to dense is my default.
Chod if it's getting long/deep with weed, stiff hinge if it's low lying or not to dense is my default.