In reply to Post #14
Or you could do away with leaders all together and either go naked on the mainline or grab one of the new tubing heli kits from korda now it's been made safe and re released.
Or you could do away with leaders all together and either go naked on the mainline or grab one of the new tubing heli kits from korda now it's been made safe and re released.
In reply to Post #16
If I used the Gardner mirage wouldn't that be classed as naked. I think it's handy to know if I'm naked or not for risk of indecent exposure
If I used the Gardner mirage wouldn't that be classed as naked. I think it's handy to know if I'm naked or not for risk of indecent exposure
In reply to Post #17
It would but if you've got a decent tough, sinking mainline I think you don't really need a separate leader therfore eliminating the knot which can be a weak spot if that makes sense
It would but if you've got a decent tough, sinking mainline I think you don't really need a separate leader therfore eliminating the knot which can be a weak spot if that makes sense
Not trying to hijack the thread or anything but.....does anyone else feel like they ‘miss' fish on a heli setup? I'm not sure why but I feel like I am. I wonder if it is because there is not so much direct contact with the lead when the hookbait is taken? I'm probably paranoid but I'd be very interested to know other people's opinions. I mainly fish a Stiff Hinge Rig on this setup
Cheers, Scotty
Cheers, Scotty
In reply to Post #19
Not missing, but I certainly had far more come off whilst playing them than using lead clips. It was incredibly noticeable
Not missing, but I certainly had far more come off whilst playing them than using lead clips. It was incredibly noticeable
In reply to Post #20
I'm guessing you wasn't dropping the lead? Have you now gone back to leads clips?
I'm guessing you wasn't dropping the lead? Have you now gone back to leads clips?
In reply to Post #21
Definitely not dropping the lead , totally dangerous thing to do with Heli setups. And yeah went straight back to leadclips. Only time I will use a Heli now is if a leader is needed
Definitely not dropping the lead , totally dangerous thing to do with Heli setups. And yeah went straight back to leadclips. Only time I will use a Heli now is if a leader is needed
In reply to Post #22
I only want to use a heli setup to increase my confidence in my hookbait presenting well on lake beds I'm not familiar with. I think a chod rig would also work in this regards, but it looks a bit too blatant in presentation compared to a spinner rig presentation which sits more subtlety just off the bottom.
What rig do you use when your not sure of the lake bed?
I only want to use a heli setup to increase my confidence in my hookbait presenting well on lake beds I'm not familiar with. I think a chod rig would also work in this regards, but it looks a bit too blatant in presentation compared to a spinner rig presentation which sits more subtlety just off the bottom.
What rig do you use when your not sure of the lake bed?
In reply to Post #19
I stopped using heli rigs for this reason. I think they are only effective if you have the top and bottom beads as close together as possible, and fish a very tight line.
I stopped using heli rigs for this reason. I think they are only effective if you have the top and bottom beads as close together as possible, and fish a very tight line.
In reply to Post #23
The best thing is to get familiar with the lake bed rather than just chucking a rig on that you think will be ok.a quick feel around with a lead should give you all the info you need. Don't get too caught up in all the rig stuff, honestly so many people over complicate carp fishing it's unreal. I used to be right into playing around with all these rigs and I've learnt that they really aren't necessary for the vast majority of fishing . A nice simple knotless knot bottom bait rig, or a multi rig popup on a leadclip or running setup will cover 99% of what the average water requires.a little lead about, pick your spot, and for bottom bait rigs a tiny pva stick to stop the hook getting snagged up on anything , and you are good to go.
The best thing is to get familiar with the lake bed rather than just chucking a rig on that you think will be ok.a quick feel around with a lead should give you all the info you need. Don't get too caught up in all the rig stuff, honestly so many people over complicate carp fishing it's unreal. I used to be right into playing around with all these rigs and I've learnt that they really aren't necessary for the vast majority of fishing . A nice simple knotless knot bottom bait rig, or a multi rig popup on a leadclip or running setup will cover 99% of what the average water requires.a little lead about, pick your spot, and for bottom bait rigs a tiny pva stick to stop the hook getting snagged up on anything , and you are good to go.
In reply to Post #25
I make you right. I'm definitely guilty of falling into that trap and probably changing things unnecessarily. I do like to try new things but very rarely does it improve my catch rates or indeed better the older methods that have caught me fish originally
At worst I'm fishing in heavy silt. Not entirely sure that warrants using a heli setup anyway
I make you right. I'm definitely guilty of falling into that trap and probably changing things unnecessarily. I do like to try new things but very rarely does it improve my catch rates or indeed better the older methods that have caught me fish originally
At worst I'm fishing in heavy silt. Not entirely sure that warrants using a heli setup anyway
In reply to Post #22
Surely no more dangerous than a conventional lead clip set up?
Surely no more dangerous than a conventional lead clip set up?
In reply to Post #27
It is if you are using any form of leader
It is if you are using any form of leader
In reply to Post #28
His point is if you using a leader on both, whats the difference with what the fish is left with?
His point is if you using a leader on both, whats the difference with what the fish is left with?
In reply to Post #29
And my point is, if using a leader with a leadclip you're an idiot . Heli setups set properly(i e not dropping the lead) means the fish is left with nothing more than a hooklink, with a clip or running setup it has no chance to drop the leader as it's tied to the hooklink. It's been said a ton of times here already on other threads as I'm sure you've read yourself
And my point is, if using a leader with a leadclip you're an idiot . Heli setups set properly(i e not dropping the lead) means the fish is left with nothing more than a hooklink, with a clip or running setup it has no chance to drop the leader as it's tied to the hooklink. It's been said a ton of times here already on other threads as I'm sure you've read yourself