In reply to Post #15
I would hazard a guess our rigs are sat far from perfect more often than not within an hour of being cast, even if they landed correctly when cast.
I would hazard a guess our rigs are sat far from perfect more often than not within an hour of being cast, even if they landed correctly when cast.
In reply to Post #14
That's why people use a ring that will re-set. You're going to get done at some time. I'd rather have a rig that will re-set and always be fishing. That is assuming you don't have alarms set on max sensitivity and reel in every time you get a single bleep
That's why people use a ring that will re-set. You're going to get done at some time. I'd rather have a rig that will re-set and always be fishing. That is assuming you don't have alarms set on max sensitivity and reel in every time you get a single bleep
In reply to Post #17
Yes, that's what I was saying.
Yes, that's what I was saying.
In reply to Post #1
I always use silicone if I'm not expecting a bite, so on tough waters. I really want to know if I've been done on the spot, bait and rig I'm using. I'd go for something more resetting on a D if I expect to catch.
I always use silicone if I'm not expecting a bite, so on tough waters. I really want to know if I've been done on the spot, bait and rig I'm using. I'd go for something more resetting on a D if I expect to catch.
Hi All, my first post as I wanted some opinions on a rig I'm using currently. This thread is about the ring vs silicone option and I found pros and cons with both,
I wanted something free to run along the shank like the rig ring but found this was prone to hair tangles and for my confidence would always require some form of pva tape or stick to trap the hair. I've had some hair tangles after winding in as well despite using pva.
The way I have mine setup is a stiff coated braid, about half an inch stripped at hook. Then I've simply used a hook flexi swivel and hook bead as with a german rig or ronnie rig. The downside I can see is there's not as much separation as with a hair but it means I can cast and recast with no risk of ever causing a tangle. Any opinions on this would be very welcome, I used this kind of thing with particles and never dropped a fish, but now I've upped hook size and using with boilies for 30s and 40s
thanks all
I wanted something free to run along the shank like the rig ring but found this was prone to hair tangles and for my confidence would always require some form of pva tape or stick to trap the hair. I've had some hair tangles after winding in as well despite using pva.
The way I have mine setup is a stiff coated braid, about half an inch stripped at hook. Then I've simply used a hook flexi swivel and hook bead as with a german rig or ronnie rig. The downside I can see is there's not as much separation as with a hair but it means I can cast and recast with no risk of ever causing a tangle. Any opinions on this would be very welcome, I used this kind of thing with particles and never dropped a fish, but now I've upped hook size and using with boilies for 30s and 40s
thanks all
In reply to Post #20
See post #8, i have added a picture.
See post #8, i have added a picture.
In reply to Post #1
Silicon all day long, I'm not even sure silicon even moves if I fish picks up and blows it out! my bet it doesn't, so you could say its a resetting rig. However the ring option is very tangle prone, and what makes it resetting? id say there is a much better chance the hair could get wrapped around hook or similar when blown out. I've never EVER reeled in and my silicon has moved, only when the fish is landed does the silicon end up towards the eye. Blowback rig over hyped IMO, thinking too much. That said I do use tightish lines and running rigs and so the fish do not get the chance to blow the hook bait out, the rig( stiff combi rig, long kicker like the noodle) I use flips and nails em straight away. Of course other lead arrangements could be a different story...
Silicon all day long, I'm not even sure silicon even moves if I fish picks up and blows it out! my bet it doesn't, so you could say its a resetting rig. However the ring option is very tangle prone, and what makes it resetting? id say there is a much better chance the hair could get wrapped around hook or similar when blown out. I've never EVER reeled in and my silicon has moved, only when the fish is landed does the silicon end up towards the eye. Blowback rig over hyped IMO, thinking too much. That said I do use tightish lines and running rigs and so the fish do not get the chance to blow the hook bait out, the rig( stiff combi rig, long kicker like the noodle) I use flips and nails em straight away. Of course other lead arrangements could be a different story...
Well I thought I'd add a post as I made the thread, been using the silicone blowback all year and it's been brilliant, fishing either a boilie straight out the bag or tigers, dropped 1 fish from 22 takes, never tangles and I can't fault it in any way, the hookholds are mega too. I used to use it years ago but favoured pop ups for a few years but I've caught some better fish this season fishing baits straight out the bag in the silt 👍 my mate uses the ring version but it just looks like a tangle waiting to happen to me, but he catches loads so I guess just find what's best for you 🙂
In reply to Post #22
I'd say a ring offers a lot more movement. With silicone the hook can't drop as easily imo. Definitely agree on the ring wrapping the hair up more often... wound in 3 exactly like this after a blank night on fish a few weeks ago. Since moved to slip D's and it seems to have helped.
Some very bold claims there Citykoi. I can absolutely guarantee you that fish are picking you up and getting away with it, and far more regularly than you'd think. A running lead and tight line won't make any difference to them blowing the hookbait out... most of the time the rigs been in and back out well before the lead set up plays any part.
I'd say a ring offers a lot more movement. With silicone the hook can't drop as easily imo. Definitely agree on the ring wrapping the hair up more often... wound in 3 exactly like this after a blank night on fish a few weeks ago. Since moved to slip D's and it seems to have helped.
Some very bold claims there Citykoi. I can absolutely guarantee you that fish are picking you up and getting away with it, and far more regularly than you'd think. A running lead and tight line won't make any difference to them blowing the hookbait out... most of the time the rigs been in and back out well before the lead set up plays any part.
In reply to Post #1
Depends on the angling situation, like most things!
Sometimes I want a point heavy bottom bait rig and silicone is perfect for this in my opinion.
I tend to fish Chod variations, mono d rigs or claw rigs most of the time, or a slip d is I feel significant bait separation is needed. with the occasional german so I don't really have a blowback rig I use regularly.
I think silicone can tell you if you've been done, but once done your hook mechanics aren't reliably predictable, where as with a rig ring it resets more.
I've known people to use shrink tube as well, not sure if it makes a different
Depends on the angling situation, like most things!
Sometimes I want a point heavy bottom bait rig and silicone is perfect for this in my opinion.
I tend to fish Chod variations, mono d rigs or claw rigs most of the time, or a slip d is I feel significant bait separation is needed. with the occasional german so I don't really have a blowback rig I use regularly.
I think silicone can tell you if you've been done, but once done your hook mechanics aren't reliably predictable, where as with a rig ring it resets more.
I've known people to use shrink tube as well, not sure if it makes a different
In reply to Post #25
Maybe but the lead doesn't come into with a running setup. Any movement in line will register especially with a stiffer hook link setup.. Which is why i said generally any bleep I get is a bite , bobbin pulls tight and away you go. Of course I am no Terry hearn so what the hell do I know
Maybe but the lead doesn't come into with a running setup. Any movement in line will register especially with a stiffer hook link setup.. Which is why i said generally any bleep I get is a bite , bobbin pulls tight and away you go. Of course I am no Terry hearn so what the hell do I know
In reply to Post #27
Some very bold claims there Citykoi. I can absolutely guarantee you that fish are picking you up and getting away with it, and far more regularly than you'd think. A running lead and tight line won't make any difference to them blowing the hookbait out... most of the time the rigs been in and back out well before the lead set up plays any part.
In reply to Post #25
Maybe but the lead doesn't come into with a running setup. Any movement in line will register especially with a stiffer hook link setup.. Which is why i said generally any bleep I get is a bite , bobbin pulls tight and away you go.
I think you are talking about slightly different scenarios. A run ring, 'running lead' on a tight line will behave differently to a running lead fished on a slack line.
The run ring fished tight is more of a bolt rig, and is now often 'sussed', where a true running setup with a slack line and run ring is a true running lead setup.
The two are not the same.
With a running lead and slack line the carp can't use the weight of the lead to eject the bait, the line will pull through the run ring. Whereas with the tight line there is no movement, other than the length of the hooklink, and the fish can eject the bait and hook.
Stiffer hooklinks on a running setup (with a loop knot or ring swivel) may only have the radius of the hooklink to move, there is no 'backwards' movement, towards the angler, but line can still be taken. As such you might get ejection of the hook. I think a more supplement hooklink could be beneficial.
Back to the hook ring vs tubing, the hook ring provides additional free movement, the tubing is slightly 'sticky'.
I don't fix the ring to the hooklink (knotless knot) tag or hair, my hook ring is free running up and down the shank with a stop bead like a Ronnie, or 360, which I think resets better.
Some very bold claims there Citykoi. I can absolutely guarantee you that fish are picking you up and getting away with it, and far more regularly than you'd think. A running lead and tight line won't make any difference to them blowing the hookbait out... most of the time the rigs been in and back out well before the lead set up plays any part.
In reply to Post #25
Maybe but the lead doesn't come into with a running setup. Any movement in line will register especially with a stiffer hook link setup.. Which is why i said generally any bleep I get is a bite , bobbin pulls tight and away you go.
I think you are talking about slightly different scenarios. A run ring, 'running lead' on a tight line will behave differently to a running lead fished on a slack line.
The run ring fished tight is more of a bolt rig, and is now often 'sussed', where a true running setup with a slack line and run ring is a true running lead setup.
The two are not the same.
With a running lead and slack line the carp can't use the weight of the lead to eject the bait, the line will pull through the run ring. Whereas with the tight line there is no movement, other than the length of the hooklink, and the fish can eject the bait and hook.
Stiffer hooklinks on a running setup (with a loop knot or ring swivel) may only have the radius of the hooklink to move, there is no 'backwards' movement, towards the angler, but line can still be taken. As such you might get ejection of the hook. I think a more supplement hooklink could be beneficial.
Back to the hook ring vs tubing, the hook ring provides additional free movement, the tubing is slightly 'sticky'.
I don't fix the ring to the hooklink (knotless knot) tag or hair, my hook ring is free running up and down the shank with a stop bead like a Ronnie, or 360, which I think resets better.
In reply to Post #28
With the ring on the shank not tethered by the hair; do you not worry that the bait is more likely to land on the wrong side of the hook? Or too far up towards the eye?
I have used both rings and silicon to fix the hair. In my head the preference is a knotless knotted hair tied ti a ring on the shank in the standard way. I like to try and get the ring as far down the hook as I can without it being able to come all the way round and off the point of the hook.
With the ring on the shank not tethered by the hair; do you not worry that the bait is more likely to land on the wrong side of the hook? Or too far up towards the eye?
I have used both rings and silicon to fix the hair. In my head the preference is a knotless knotted hair tied ti a ring on the shank in the standard way. I like to try and get the ring as far down the hook as I can without it being able to come all the way round and off the point of the hook.
I dont understand a blowback rig that resets. Surely this isn't a blowback rig?
The ring should go over the eye of the hook and not be able to return, or second best be silicone that doesn't return when sucked.
The whole point is that when *****ed, if the fish sucks the bait, the hair is no longer at an angle that it can be used to pull the hook point out. If the ring is over the eye of the hook, when sucked, it will turn the hook point inwards more.
What people are describing as resetting isn't a blowback rig, it's just a rig with a supported hair.
The ring should go over the eye of the hook and not be able to return, or second best be silicone that doesn't return when sucked.
The whole point is that when *****ed, if the fish sucks the bait, the hair is no longer at an angle that it can be used to pull the hook point out. If the ring is over the eye of the hook, when sucked, it will turn the hook point inwards more.
What people are describing as resetting isn't a blowback rig, it's just a rig with a supported hair.
In reply to Post #30
I dont understand how a ring is going to reset all the time? It can reset but, would it as often as people think, even on a cast there is nothing to stop the ring sitting by the eye.
Tubing all the way for me and one of the 2 main rigs I use.
I dont understand how a ring is going to reset all the time? It can reset but, would it as often as people think, even on a cast there is nothing to stop the ring sitting by the eye.
Tubing all the way for me and one of the 2 main rigs I use.