In reply to Post #14
I need to check but I think you can negate the drop off component of the heli safe by removing the spring but I need to check that.
I suppose a lot of the developments by Korda etc. were driven by demand. I think there's a lot of people out there that want to fish a heli setup but are fishing venues were the rules (rightly or wrongly) state that you have to be able to eject the lead. Is there an alternative to the heli safe that makes that possible?
The move on to leadcore is very specific to my fishing situation. I'm doing very short (8 hour) day sessions and I want/need to be able to move on to the fish without crashing a marker lead on their head first and therefore not always knowing what I'm fishing over. It's a reasonably weedy venue so want a presentation that's going to give me the highest chance of presenting a fishable rig. I've played about with naked chods but just don't seem to get on with them that well, hence the move to the more traditional chod/leadcore setup
I need to check but I think you can negate the drop off component of the heli safe by removing the spring but I need to check that.
I suppose a lot of the developments by Korda etc. were driven by demand. I think there's a lot of people out there that want to fish a heli setup but are fishing venues were the rules (rightly or wrongly) state that you have to be able to eject the lead. Is there an alternative to the heli safe that makes that possible?
The move on to leadcore is very specific to my fishing situation. I'm doing very short (8 hour) day sessions and I want/need to be able to move on to the fish without crashing a marker lead on their head first and therefore not always knowing what I'm fishing over. It's a reasonably weedy venue so want a presentation that's going to give me the highest chance of presenting a fishable rig. I've played about with naked chods but just don't seem to get on with them that well, hence the move to the more traditional chod/leadcore setup
In reply to Post #16
You can yes, but then what's the point of using a heli safe over simply looping the lead on, or using a normal quick clip? Also, leadcore in weed can cause as many problems as it cures, and sticks out like a sore thumb in some situations. You don't need to crash marker floats about, a simple bare lead cast and a drop felt will give you the info you need to be able to judge how to present a bait, or if it's even suatable to do so. I think I've cast a marker float out about 5 times total in the last 10 years and it's not done my results any harm
You can yes, but then what's the point of using a heli safe over simply looping the lead on, or using a normal quick clip? Also, leadcore in weed can cause as many problems as it cures, and sticks out like a sore thumb in some situations. You don't need to crash marker floats about, a simple bare lead cast and a drop felt will give you the info you need to be able to judge how to present a bait, or if it's even suatable to do so. I think I've cast a marker float out about 5 times total in the last 10 years and it's not done my results any harm
In reply to Post #16
The venue I'm on doesn't allow lead core so I'm fishing a naked chod style setup.
I'm using a helisafe from Korda but set not to drop the lead ,(a small plastic collar prevents the lead ejection)
I use 15lb fluro ,a line saver bead on the lead end and a no trace bead above. Due to the stiff nature of the fluro I don't get any tangles , I use a very short chod section on the hook like a cm, sometimes just a ronnie.
This allows me to fish in 9 ft deep with heavy weed.
Just suffers a bit from line twist so I use a twist buster on it every third cast depending on the range I'm fishing.
Might be worth trying a fluro leader of 20lb ?
The venue I'm on doesn't allow lead core so I'm fishing a naked chod style setup.
I'm using a helisafe from Korda but set not to drop the lead ,(a small plastic collar prevents the lead ejection)
I use 15lb fluro ,a line saver bead on the lead end and a no trace bead above. Due to the stiff nature of the fluro I don't get any tangles , I use a very short chod section on the hook like a cm, sometimes just a ronnie.
This allows me to fish in 9 ft deep with heavy weed.
Just suffers a bit from line twist so I use a twist buster on it every third cast depending on the range I'm fishing.
Might be worth trying a fluro leader of 20lb ?
In reply to Post #16
Yes you can stop a heli safe from ejecting the lead with the collar supplied.
It is not about how you drop the lead. To be safe with leadcore you MUST NOT drop the lead, end of. If lake rules demand you drop the lead don't fish leadcore.
Why anybody wants a lake full of a lethally toxic and persistent
Poison accumulating in the food chain I will never know, but that's another argument
Yes you can stop a heli safe from ejecting the lead with the collar supplied.
It is not about how you drop the lead. To be safe with leadcore you MUST NOT drop the lead, end of. If lake rules demand you drop the lead don't fish leadcore.
Why anybody wants a lake full of a lethally toxic and persistent
Poison accumulating in the food chain I will never know, but that's another argument
In reply to Post #19
Why anybody wants a lake full of a lethally toxic and persistent
Poison accumulating in the food chain I will never know, but that's another argument
How long will it be before there is a ban on fishing with lead weights?
I find it odd that you cannot shoot lead over water while duck etc shooting, yet you can chuck got knows how many Lbs of lead into the water.
Why anybody wants a lake full of a lethally toxic and persistent
Poison accumulating in the food chain I will never know, but that's another argument
How long will it be before there is a ban on fishing with lead weights?
I find it odd that you cannot shoot lead over water while duck etc shooting, yet you can chuck got knows how many Lbs of lead into the water.
In reply to Post #20
Lead under an oz has been banned since what the late 80's/90's
To stop ducks swans etc picking them up
Not sure where the food chain comes into it unless you are an EE lol
Lead under an oz has been banned since what the late 80's/90's
To stop ducks swans etc picking them up
Not sure where the food chain comes into it unless you are an EE lol
In reply to Post #21
The answer to your last question is not difficult but it is quite long. Before I attempt to answer it could you let me know what an EE is as I may inadvertently be one. Lol
The answer to your last question is not difficult but it is quite long. Before I attempt to answer it could you let me know what an EE is as I may inadvertently be one. Lol
I suppose my next question then is what are my other options for a leader if I don't want to go down the naked chod route? Ideally one where the korda no trace system works?
Again I still see myself in a position where I'm going to be trying to create as least disturbance as possible, fishing over a relatively unknown bottom (apart from the info you get from feeling the lead down etc.) and wanting to maximise my chances of presenting a fishable rig
Again I still see myself in a position where I'm going to be trying to create as least disturbance as possible, fishing over a relatively unknown bottom (apart from the info you get from feeling the lead down etc.) and wanting to maximise my chances of presenting a fishable rig
In reply to Post #22
EE is a mobile phone company that incorporates orange and t mobile
Hence the lol at the end
EE is a mobile phone company that incorporates orange and t mobile
Hence the lol at the end
In reply to Post #24
Sorry, still in the dark. Too cryptic for me. Why would I be an EE? and why would that be funny? and finally what has it got to do with lead in the environment?
Sorry, still in the dark. Too cryptic for me. Why would I be an EE? and why would that be funny? and finally what has it got to do with lead in the environment?
In reply to Post #16
It's a reasonably weedy venue so want a presentation that's going to give me the highest chance of presenting a fishable rig. I've played about with naked chods but just don't seem to get on with them that well, hence the move to the more traditional chod/leadcore setup
If it is a weedy venue, then personally, I don't think you should use any leader at all, leadcore included.
Any leader that gets broken off stands a chance of getting tangled up in weed and tethering a fish.
In weedy waters for years my go to set-up was an inline lead, zipp or distance shape.
In most cases, the weed would slide over the lead.
To get a fishable presentation, I would put the whole lot in a PVA bag, bait, hook, hooklink and lead along with a load of chops and pellets.
I have included a link to another leadcore thread that may give you a few more points.
It's a reasonably weedy venue so want a presentation that's going to give me the highest chance of presenting a fishable rig. I've played about with naked chods but just don't seem to get on with them that well, hence the move to the more traditional chod/leadcore setup
If it is a weedy venue, then personally, I don't think you should use any leader at all, leadcore included.
Any leader that gets broken off stands a chance of getting tangled up in weed and tethering a fish.
In weedy waters for years my go to set-up was an inline lead, zipp or distance shape.
In most cases, the weed would slide over the lead.
To get a fishable presentation, I would put the whole lot in a PVA bag, bait, hook, hooklink and lead along with a load of chops and pellets.
I have included a link to another leadcore thread that may give you a few more points.
Think I need to be polite and start a thread on lead in the environment. Going to join me Framey?
In reply to Post #27
If that's what you want to do then go for it it's a free forum
If that's what you want to do then go for it it's a free forum
In reply to Post #27
In reply to Post #26
Interesting thread that.
With the in-line lead point have you ever used the Fox in-line drop off system? I only ask as lake rules mean that I have to be able to drop the lead. Also that with a short rig should work reasonably well in a PVA bag?
Interesting thread that.
With the in-line lead point have you ever used the Fox in-line drop off system? I only ask as lake rules mean that I have to be able to drop the lead. Also that with a short rig should work reasonably well in a PVA bag?