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Roger Bacon’s Blow Back (32 posts / 7,189 views)
scozza
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Post #16 19 Apr 2020 08:57
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More importantly, if you can get them to blow a dart into their lips that's pulled in point first, it ain't coming out

they will then blow AND suck to try and get rid of it

Which can easily be prevented by using a longer hair

Wayne Wayne
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Post #17 19 Apr 2020 09:20
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Scozza, a carp Could still easily get away with it I feel as water needs to be considered and buoyancy of the bait.

Plus you have the fact small fish could move it about massively, think I will stick with knotless knot rig and a piece of silicone........
Chuffy Chuffy
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Post #18 19 Apr 2020 09:28
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if you can get them to blow a dart into their lips that's pulled in point first, it ain't coming out

But with most of today's popular rigs with short bait attachment it's the 'suck' that can pull it back out.....
scozza
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Post #19 19 Apr 2020 09:39
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The water will act as a vortex. Use what works for you Wayne, the thinking behind it I have tried to explain
scozza
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Post #20 19 Apr 2020 09:41
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Agree, trends and all, most people nowadays have the bait nailed to the hook because carp are clever and they pick up baits with their lips and juggle with them you know, bearing in mind the palatial organ is a few inches back in the mouth
Chuffy Chuffy
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Post #21 19 Apr 2020 10:34
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Zack
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Post #22 19 Apr 2020 13:54
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Nothing new about that at all. Its in Rod Hutchinsons "Guide to Carp Baits" dated 1989 and its identical even down to using the rig ring. Without me digging deeper into Rods earlier books, I would not be surprised if I also saw it in one of them too. It's also Roger Smiths original "D" Rig from the early '80's which this article from Carp World confirms without me having to go into the loft to retrieve some old "Hutchy" articles which has it in.

I even have about 3 of them in one of my old rig cases that I tied up years ago but do not think I ever used them.

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/carpworld/20191101/282273847129176

bluebeat13
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Post #23 19 Apr 2020 14:36
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Don't believe that anyone is claiming it as new? Just interested to see RB's take on it as he catches well using it.

Your link doesn't work for me?
oldgeezer oldgeezer
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Mr Linky Poo
Mr Linky Poo Post #24 19 Apr 2020 14:55
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link works for me ? try this one linky poo
bluebeat13
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Post #25 19 Apr 2020 15:38
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Weird, it takes me to press reader fine, but I just get a blank screen saying reload home screen?

Thanks for trying though OG.
lilharbs lilharbs
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Post #26 19 Apr 2020 19:32
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This rig was invented by Roger Smith, as stated in Tim Paisleys tribute column in Carpworld last autumn. He also relays how RH and Lenny Middleton invented the hair rig and called it so by pulling a hair out of their long 70's mullet hairdo and tying it to the bend of a hook shank when experimenting with rigs pre1980's.


Classic carping history 👍
FrankDownUnder
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Post #27 20 Apr 2020 01:39
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Think that was KM and not RH
kizzi
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Post #28 20 Apr 2020 21:30
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Agree. And I thought that the story was that it was a hair from KM's wife's head!

Details aside. What this shows is there is very little new in carp fishing. But new materials and techniques create new opportunities. And average anglers, like me, miss the opportunities to improve on old ideas, whereas better anglers like Roger Bacon spot these opportunities
redduke redduke
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Post #29 1 May 2020 23:00
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The 'older' version of this as mentioned below all used the supple material available at the time. Rogers version uses a stiff D element that works to prevent the hook leaving the mouth by extending the shank of the hook.
Once the carp is *****ed by the hook, it will suck & blow and as such the force of the bait being blown will force the hook point in more.
Used with buoyant popups only so always resets
Steveo_Hants
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Post #30 4 May 2020 21:48
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What knot is used to tie the d to the rig length?
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