In reply to Post #15
I cant see how It's only slight surface rust my cheap chinese smooth file from eBay takes it of with a couple of passes. the hook still feels sharp it's just a little rough on the sharpened bit last 2mm or so I think a hook will take hold easier if its smooth but then again I don't think about that when I hook 1 and the hooks been the water for 24 hours+ so will be rusty

Just taken delivery of a couple of packets of the J precision hooks as reccomended.

Look decent on first inspection.

Will have to get on the bank and give them a go.

In reply to Post #17
I cant see how It's only slight surface rust

Rust is formed as a reaction of steel (or the iron in the steel more specifically) and oxygen in the presence of water/moisture. Hence it can only attack the surface in the short term

In reply to Post #12
going to disagree. I cast out the fox edges hooks when they first came out, I miscast and hit the water to the right of my spot, I reeled in before the hook had a chance to reach the weed. It had turned over on impact with the water. I found this happened multiple times. Never used fox hooks again. Not only me that had this happen either as a couple of mates had the same thing occur.

In reply to Post #20
Never heard of water impact turning hooks. Must be really soft hooks

For unbeatable sharpness a hand sharpened hook is always going to come out on top, whether you do this yourself or purchase them ready sharpened from somewhere like J-Precision or SS Hooks is up to you. That said I do think there is a time and a place for untouched hooks straight out of the packet. Circumstances for this would be when fishing over gravel, large presence of nuisance fish / cray fish etc. This particularly applies to using bottom baits where the hook is permanently in contact with the bottom and any movement of the rig has the potential to damage the point of the hook. At the end of the day i'd rather have a slightly less sharp "out the packet" hook out there than a a mega sharp, super fine sharpened hook that's had the point turned over.

Because of this when I buy my hooks I check all of them out the packet and sort them into ones that I consider sharp enough to use straight out the pack (normally ends up being about 3/10 and this pretty much applies to all manufacturers) and put these aside in a hook storage case. The others I will hand sharpen and use for pop up rigs or sometimes bottom bait rigs where the lake bed/ nuisance fish are less of an issue.

I should point out that I generally use straight pointed hooks for most of my fishing so again these are more prone to point damage.

In reply to Post #20
Water turning hook point over, was said water frozen at the time?

In reply to Post #23
not at all. I knew it was going a bit skewiff so did slow it down and it landed with a bit of a crash but i can honestly say this happened on 3 occasions to me. The hooks were incredibly sharp and incredibly soft. I think the impact did blunt them yes as I do not see what else could of, either the water or air resistance on the cast.

I did use them and did catch fish and each resulted in a turned hook point. I saw them as a hook per cast if fishing over gravel. if you landed a fish or not you had to bin the hook. shame as the armo hooks were incredibly tough.

In reply to Post #20
I cast out the fox edges hooks when they first came out, I miscast and hit the water to the right of my spot, I reeled in before the hook had a chance to reach the weed. It had turned over on impact with the water.

Or had contacted the lead / arrangement?

I've had this a few times. If you check your points religiously you pick up on things, regular

In reply to Post #25
maybe, but what are the chances 3 times in a 24hr session when its never happened before? With coated braid, and watching it during the flight.

Anyway believe it or not IDC, I know what happened. Extremely sharp hooks out the pack, very soft metal, one cast per hook and no confidence its even fishing properly. no good IMO

In reply to Post #26
Can't you protect the hook points during flight with Foam or a Bag ?

But I'd say it's hitting the lead more than the water doing the damage or far more people would see this regular.

I was casting kamakuras 100 yards into a tree line and didn't have one turn over or blunt.

In reply to Post #27
I did use foam but again miscasts came back with blunted hooks. You can't fish with the most important bit of tackle potentially not fit for purpose can you.

Think of reasons why if you want but I know what was happening to me over a couple of sessions. Not like I didn't give them a chance. Fox edges. Steer clear.

In reply to Post #28
Have to disagree about the fox hooks mate, never had them randomly blunt on water, and now you're saying could be air?????? yes they are sharp straight out the packet, pretty obvious that the thinner the point the easier it will blunt. You are correct rho that they are a one fish hook, but aren't all sharpened ones anyway😜

In reply to Post #29
the air comment was tongue in cheek. I know air wouldn't do it. I had the very first run of them when they came out. Myself and plenty of friends tried and had awful results. This is a sharpest hooks thread which has been hijacked now.

My point was avoid the Fox edges as IMO they are rubbish and you will not be happy or confident they are fishing for you. I've used numerous very sharp hooks and sharpen hooks myself. Most can be re-sharpened if salavagable after a fish. Fox were not. Money is better spent elsewhere. Atomic, Gardner, JP all are sharp and can be honed and do not suffer the same issues as I have had with Fox edges hooks.

Maybe it's my opinion of turning over that is causing confusion but to me if a hook has turned and blunted it's not as sharp as it was when I cast it out and therefore not as effective as it should be. Either visible or by touch.

In reply to Post #28
So your saying even with foam on the hook the points came back blunted and didn't touch the bottom or anything else? 🤣🤣