In reply to Post #15
I've yet to find a run rig kit I really like. Alot of them have too much bells and whistles on them and there is more flaffing about changing leads.
Also, and I'm not sure why, I tend to get less tangles with a leadclip.
Bigger reason though, is I like to lightly push the leadclip onto the swivel (which I like to crush down slightly) , for, IMHO, better chance of a hookup.
I've yet to find a run rig kit I really like. Alot of them have too much bells and whistles on them and there is more flaffing about changing leads.
Also, and I'm not sure why, I tend to get less tangles with a leadclip.
Bigger reason though, is I like to lightly push the leadclip onto the swivel (which I like to crush down slightly) , for, IMHO, better chance of a hookup.
In reply to Post #19
Ive used running leads for 90% of my fishing for a long time probably around 15 years i can honestly say i haven't had any more tangles using them than either a heli set up or leadclip.
Originally i used to use a normal buffer type bead to stop the lead but after korda brought out there run rig rubber i switched over to that, i cut the swivels off my leads and attach them to an esp large bore swivel and quick link covered in 3mm silicon sleeves, it literally takes seconds to remove/ swap leads is no more obtrusive on the bottom than a lead clip.
if i wanted to make the lead break away i swop the quick link for a plastic c clip but i wouldn't use a running rig fishing in weed.
Anyone that thinks a running lead clip and tail rubber with a small bore is as safe as a large bore run ring does not understand basic physics.
I dont dispute that a running leadclip can come off the line in a lot of instances but there are instances where they haven't which has resulted in dead fish, why take the risk when it isn't needed?
Ive used running leads for 90% of my fishing for a long time probably around 15 years i can honestly say i haven't had any more tangles using them than either a heli set up or leadclip.
Originally i used to use a normal buffer type bead to stop the lead but after korda brought out there run rig rubber i switched over to that, i cut the swivels off my leads and attach them to an esp large bore swivel and quick link covered in 3mm silicon sleeves, it literally takes seconds to remove/ swap leads is no more obtrusive on the bottom than a lead clip.
if i wanted to make the lead break away i swop the quick link for a plastic c clip but i wouldn't use a running rig fishing in weed.
Anyone that thinks a running lead clip and tail rubber with a small bore is as safe as a large bore run ring does not understand basic physics.
I dont dispute that a running leadclip can come off the line in a lot of instances but there are instances where they haven't which has resulted in dead fish, why take the risk when it isn't needed?
In reply to Post #19
Look at the korum run rig kit, there's a nice little vid showing how quick it is to set up. Once done it literally takes 5 seconds to remove/change the lead.
Look at the korum run rig kit, there's a nice little vid showing how quick it is to set up. Once done it literally takes 5 seconds to remove/change the lead.
A running lead clip what ever way it's dressed up or made out to be is just a semi-fixed lead set up , you either like them or you don't , nobody is right or wrong and everybody has an opinion , some dafter than others but I'll move on ,...
I've said my piece in the locked thread so I'll leave it there , if anybody wants to know why a running lead clip can be used instead of a run ring then look at the answer in the locked thread
I've said my piece in the locked thread so I'll leave it there , if anybody wants to know why a running lead clip can be used instead of a run ring then look at the answer in the locked thread
In reply to Post #23
Hope you can keep it civil here without the insults. Do you think the 'shocker' aspect of your rig is worth the extra risk that a large bore run ring would completely eliminate?
Hope you can keep it civil here without the insults. Do you think the 'shocker' aspect of your rig is worth the extra risk that a large bore run ring would completely eliminate?
In reply to Post #20
Hi Josh,
I often use a true run rig on the Rivers.
I use a lead which have a fairly large eyed swivel, stick a piece of rubber sleeve over that lead swivel, down onto the lead, so all that's showing is the large eye of the swivel, stick it onto the mainline which has a ESP helicopter sleeve sitting over the hooklink swivel, which I cut down. (less rubber the better)
I will try a proper run rig in the future, maybe the larger bore eye would be an advantage, maybe catch one and I'll feel more confident using one.
Hi Josh,
I often use a true run rig on the Rivers.
I use a lead which have a fairly large eyed swivel, stick a piece of rubber sleeve over that lead swivel, down onto the lead, so all that's showing is the large eye of the swivel, stick it onto the mainline which has a ESP helicopter sleeve sitting over the hooklink swivel, which I cut down. (less rubber the better)
I will try a proper run rig in the future, maybe the larger bore eye would be an advantage, maybe catch one and I'll feel more confident using one.
In reply to Post #25
Going off topic now discussing true running rigs, but they do offer vastly better bite indication \ runs .
Going off topic now discussing true running rigs, but they do offer vastly better bite indication \ runs .
In reply to Post #22
Will take a look, thnx.
Like I say, will try some out and see how it goes.
Will take a look, thnx.
Like I say, will try some out and see how it goes.
In reply to Post #23
Sorry, no, it is only semi-fixed when fished with a tight line, where it becomes the original bolt rig as per Kevin Maddock's drawings in Carp Fever.
If you fish it with a slack line, then it is truly a running lead. However as I stated in the locked thread, it really only works safely with a large bore run ring😉
Sorry, no, it is only semi-fixed when fished with a tight line, where it becomes the original bolt rig as per Kevin Maddock's drawings in Carp Fever.
If you fish it with a slack line, then it is truly a running lead. However as I stated in the locked thread, it really only works safely with a large bore run ring😉
In reply to Post #24
It's not my rig , it's a rig that's been round a long long time , I don't use it in my fishing as I mostly fish big snaggy waters abroad , I don't see the problem fishing it in a lake with no snags .
Please explain to me a safe rig bearing in mind you wrote this in the locked thread ....
I fail to see how a trailing line with no leader attached can pick up weed or debris - Wrap some mono around a tree then pull for a break. What happens to the broken end of the line? You'll see that it coils up. This can easily attract weed or twigs. A tiny bit of weed then attracts more weed. I've seen it happen and had it happen to myself. Fishing mono straight through I lost a fish due to a breakage (large bore running lead). On retrieving the slack mono it got snagged. Waded out & found it had got snagged in weed. The lose end had got snarled up.
In your scenario if the lead drops off the line still wouldn't pass through the weeded up clip hole. The lead has no bearing on whether the line will pass through.
My answer ... minus the insults to keep on track ...
so youre saying any rig that leaves any sort of line behind a fish is a bad rig then as it can get snagged obviously as you mentioned your mainline getting snagged ? Or does it just happen with a running lead clip ?
I can do sarcasm too if you find it acceptable
It's not my rig , it's a rig that's been round a long long time , I don't use it in my fishing as I mostly fish big snaggy waters abroad , I don't see the problem fishing it in a lake with no snags .
Please explain to me a safe rig bearing in mind you wrote this in the locked thread ....
I fail to see how a trailing line with no leader attached can pick up weed or debris - Wrap some mono around a tree then pull for a break. What happens to the broken end of the line? You'll see that it coils up. This can easily attract weed or twigs. A tiny bit of weed then attracts more weed. I've seen it happen and had it happen to myself. Fishing mono straight through I lost a fish due to a breakage (large bore running lead). On retrieving the slack mono it got snagged. Waded out & found it had got snagged in weed. The lose end had got snarled up.
In your scenario if the lead drops off the line still wouldn't pass through the weeded up clip hole. The lead has no bearing on whether the line will pass through.
My answer ... minus the insults to keep on track ...
so youre saying any rig that leaves any sort of line behind a fish is a bad rig then as it can get snagged obviously as you mentioned your mainline getting snagged ? Or does it just happen with a running lead clip ?
I can do sarcasm too if you find it acceptable
In reply to Post #30
It is the size of the hole bore that creates the risk. A leadclip has a tiny hole compared to a run ring. The 'break knot' and attached coils of line can be too large to go through the bore of the leadclip, whereas a run ring can pass over it.
The non discharged lead CAN help the bore pass over the broken end of line, by snagging up and the line being pulled through it. However equally this can become a permanently fixed lead. With a run ring you are less likely to get the lead needing to be snagged up.
A quick point for you though, on most occasions of a fish break-off, it is usually the hooklink to mainline knot that gives way, the knot cuts through itself. If you crack-off on the cast, or it goes through a snag and cuts off the mainline by abrasion, that is when you leave trailing line. With those you must not have any fixed lead.
In my view lead clips are a total no use item of tackle, there are better ways to make a semi-fixed lead; John Roberts beads and a piece of tubing or sleeve holding over the swivel.
It is the size of the hole bore that creates the risk. A leadclip has a tiny hole compared to a run ring. The 'break knot' and attached coils of line can be too large to go through the bore of the leadclip, whereas a run ring can pass over it.
The non discharged lead CAN help the bore pass over the broken end of line, by snagging up and the line being pulled through it. However equally this can become a permanently fixed lead. With a run ring you are less likely to get the lead needing to be snagged up.
A quick point for you though, on most occasions of a fish break-off, it is usually the hooklink to mainline knot that gives way, the knot cuts through itself. If you crack-off on the cast, or it goes through a snag and cuts off the mainline by abrasion, that is when you leave trailing line. With those you must not have any fixed lead.
In my view lead clips are a total no use item of tackle, there are better ways to make a semi-fixed lead; John Roberts beads and a piece of tubing or sleeve holding over the swivel.
In reply to Post #30
Fishing in the manner in which we as carp anglers generally do carries risk. Sticking hooks in fish and reeling them in on heavy mono with leads swinging about obviously carries risk so we're not starting from a completely safe position.
Therefore we should be doing what we can to reduce that risk as much as we can. What you're doing, by using a running leadclip is increasing that risk. I did explain my comments further but you've chosen not to copy that across.
By all means resort to sarcasm, it's an improvement on playground name calling.
Fishing in the manner in which we as carp anglers generally do carries risk. Sticking hooks in fish and reeling them in on heavy mono with leads swinging about obviously carries risk so we're not starting from a completely safe position.
Therefore we should be doing what we can to reduce that risk as much as we can. What you're doing, by using a running leadclip is increasing that risk. I did explain my comments further but you've chosen not to copy that across.
By all means resort to sarcasm, it's an improvement on playground name calling.
In reply to Post #28
I think alot of the time fish hook themselves as the (try) to spit the hook out, regardless of the line drag \ weight in the water.
The hook *****s and they panick.
Back on topic, I won't be dropping my 'semi-fixed running lead clips' just yet, just for the fact my fishing improved when I started using them, and I strongly believe they are safer running than true fixed, for the reasons I gave in previous post.
I think alot of the time fish hook themselves as the (try) to spit the hook out, regardless of the line drag \ weight in the water.
The hook *****s and they panick.
Back on topic, I won't be dropping my 'semi-fixed running lead clips' just yet, just for the fact my fishing improved when I started using them, and I strongly believe they are safer running than true fixed, for the reasons I gave in previous post.
In reply to Post #31
So what happens if the bore ring gets clogged up with weed ? It's physically larger than a lead clip in diameter, at least a lead can discharge from a lead clip , a big ring with a lead on it is never going to discharge .
Scenario ....Think of both rigs on the lake bottom , both have snapped off with weed / crud all jammed round them because the line has curled like what Boysie said up upon snap off and is stopping both leads from coming free from the end of the line .
Which lead is more likely to come free ? Easy ... the lead clip , because it's designed to discharge a lead when it comes in contact with weed or snags .
If you're line is jammed up the wrong side of the lead , no amount of pulling or size of bore ring will matter , but if the lead ejects the fish at least has a chance to pull free
So what happens if the bore ring gets clogged up with weed ? It's physically larger than a lead clip in diameter, at least a lead can discharge from a lead clip , a big ring with a lead on it is never going to discharge .
Scenario ....Think of both rigs on the lake bottom , both have snapped off with weed / crud all jammed round them because the line has curled like what Boysie said up upon snap off and is stopping both leads from coming free from the end of the line .
Which lead is more likely to come free ? Easy ... the lead clip , because it's designed to discharge a lead when it comes in contact with weed or snags .
If you're line is jammed up the wrong side of the lead , no amount of pulling or size of bore ring will matter , but if the lead ejects the fish at least has a chance to pull free
In reply to Post #34
A lead on a proper run ring will come free far easier than a lead in a leadclip. In the leadclip, force is needed in a particular direction in order to release it.
A lead on a proper run ring will come free far easier than a lead in a leadclip. In the leadclip, force is needed in a particular direction in order to release it.