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Ok.. Back to basics question (25 posts / 5,285 views)
PaulK99
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Post #1 14 Apr 2025 22:04
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Right at severe risk of embarassing myself here.

What is the best way \ preffered way of mounting a Chum mixer as a surface bait.
Tried numerous methods but none leave the offering sitting well in finished presentation (IMO)

BTW has anyone other than me seen the "Garderner Tackle Suspender System"

I love fishing of the top but having my hookbait left after every freebie has gone everytime irks me somewhat...

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OatcakeFred OatcakeFred
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Post #2 14 Apr 2025 22:43
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In reply to Post #1
I have used mixers with a bait band in the past, but to be honest, I don't particularly like that presentation. And also chum mixers aint what they used to be in terms of buoyancy. I now use a pop up, chopped down to a mixer shape.
PaulK99
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Post #3 14 Apr 2025 22:50
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In reply to Post #2
yeah bait bands constantly slip or come off altogether.
Superglue wastes hooks gets on clothing + fingers and prob has a fowl stench to the fish.

So will cut over to mini popups poss with a dousing of an oil of some sort do make them smell Dog-Biscuity.

Fivenil Fivenil
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Post #4 15 Apr 2025 08:22
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Cut a groove in the mixer and superglue it on. Glug it if you are worried about the glue scent putting the fish off.
BenCarper99 BenCarper99
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Post #5 15 Apr 2025 09:48
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have a look at the Enterprise fake biscuites that you can add weight too has foam and lead shot holes to get balance perfect (id glue the right shot into cavity - personally dont think once that glue sets its an issue) - game changer for me but i started hair rigging and giving a little bit of seperation as opposed to hooking directly - mad a massive difference to the amoiunt of takes i was getting.

I've also had mates do well on the nash plastic/rubber biscuits as well.
whataclonker whataclonker
Posts: 365
Post #6 15 Apr 2025 10:33
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In reply to Post #4
Exactly this & IMO I don't think the carp can smell/taste super glue once it's dry. Or at least it doesn't seem to bother them.

Or you can create a D on the hook with a bait band through. You can also groove the mixer a little for the band to sit if you want. I believe this way the hook point is more likely to sit point down directly below the mixer. If you band onto the shank it can have a tendency to twist up & move out of position.

As already said the pop up or fake baits are the easiest but wary or finicky carp can sometimes reject these. As they mouth the bait & suck in a little water I'm sure they can taste & feel the difference.

chrispfox chrispfox
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Post #7 15 Apr 2025 14:01
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In reply to Post #1
I've got three different rigs

One is I side hook a brown popup - my preferred set up

Second is the balanced dog biscuits that you can set up so the hook is up in the air rather than hanging down in the water.

Third is breadflake/crust hooked on

If I can't catch them with these rigs then I'm going home
kells kells
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Post #8 15 Apr 2025 21:06
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In reply to Post #1
That Gardner tackle suspender float / controller has been around since the 80's. If its the same one your talking about. Cocked surface float which suspends the hooklink of the surface. Don't think I've ever seen one in action.. Do they still make them??

Hook baits for surface fishing have been the bane of my life. By far the easiest are side hooked fake mixers. If rules allow.. dog biscuits as hook baits are just a waste of time.. they just don't last. If imitation ain't allowed I'd go for a trimmed down pop up or something like the Floterz hook baits that tails up do. Ether glued on or a short hair. Bait bands as mention just slip..
PaulK99
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Post #9 15 Apr 2025 21:36
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In reply to Post #8
Yeah they are. Around since the 80s wow

Saw them in my local shop come in 2 sizes.
Ive fished on the top before where every time the hook bait was left till last.

Have beaten the fish by dangling the line over a bramble directly onto the water.
Gave me an idea for a "Suspender System" i went to my local shop with a shopping list of stuff....

When asked what it was for and i explained he got a Suspender from the shelf...

for £8 im gonna try one out just for fun

kells kells
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Post #10 15 Apr 2025 22:50
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In reply to Post #9
The tackleshop owner was probably trying to get rid of it for years..

They certainly know don't they.. Fished a Caro match type lake last year. Absolutely stacked with Carp. Probably unhealthy so. I was fishing for them of the top in February that's how many were in there. The poor things were probably starving. I could of flicked all sorts of things in and they would of readily taken them. I was fishing free lined flake and feeding dog biscuits. They were going mad. Fishing over the free offerings. Even though I ended up with plenty of fish. They were still treating the hookbait with caution. Often feeding around it and leaving it to last.

Good luck with the suspended baits. Not something fish see at all these days
whataclonker whataclonker
Posts: 365
Post #11 16 Apr 2025 09:05
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In reply to Post #8
"Bait bands as mention just slip.. "

Not if you put a groove or notch in the mixer for the band to sit in. I've also used the cylindrical shaped floaters & bands with great success. It's more effort but finding a way to match the free offerings gives the best results IMO.
Backofthenet
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Post #12 16 Apr 2025 12:37
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In reply to Post #1
I've always used the soft fake ones with the weights at the bottom - caught tons of carp on the surface with those!
kells kells
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Post #13 16 Apr 2025 16:55
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In reply to Post #11
I think people are experiencing the band slipping on the hook. Often moving round to the bend. Than the bait slipping out of the band.
whataclonker whataclonker
Posts: 365
Post #14 16 Apr 2025 17:52
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In reply to Post #13
If you make a knotless knot, slide a bait band onto the tag end & put the end back through the eye & blob to create a D (as I suggested in my post) then it eliminates this.
kells kells
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Post #15 16 Apr 2025 19:10
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In reply to Post #14
Sorry Gareth didn't see your previous post. My bad.. that's a good idea that.. got me thinking about another way. Will have to wait a few months to try it mind..
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