Hi, with a large percentage of anglers now using ronnies, hinge stiff rigs , D rigs etc which all rely on stiffish hooklinks is there a call to go back to supple hooklinks ??
In reply to Post #1
I often use a spinner on supple braid. Works a treat, especially with a little stick.
I often use a spinner on supple braid. Works a treat, especially with a little stick.
In reply to Post #1
Spinner rigs are very efficient in that you can change the hook, its hooking properties and universal capabilities to present any bottom, wafter or pop-up bait.
Coupled with the anti-tangle properties you get with stiff booms.
Also being able to reset I think for me is the big one, tench, massive roach and tufties diving on spots pretty much chooses the need for a stiff rig for me.
For me, only place supple hooklinks win is with solid bag fishing, outside of that, stiffer materials just trump them.
Spinner rigs are very efficient in that you can change the hook, its hooking properties and universal capabilities to present any bottom, wafter or pop-up bait.
Coupled with the anti-tangle properties you get with stiff booms.
Also being able to reset I think for me is the big one, tench, massive roach and tufties diving on spots pretty much chooses the need for a stiff rig for me.
For me, only place supple hooklinks win is with solid bag fishing, outside of that, stiffer materials just trump them.
In reply to Post #3
they only trump them if the fish haven't been hammered on them - you go to most day ticket waters where every man and his dog is fishing stiff links, particularly if everyone is on Ronnie's / Spinners or suchlike, put a braided hooklink on with a bait straight out the bag and see what happens......you'll be amazed how many more bites you get.
they only trump them if the fish haven't been hammered on them - you go to most day ticket waters where every man and his dog is fishing stiff links, particularly if everyone is on Ronnie's / Spinners or suchlike, put a braided hooklink on with a bait straight out the bag and see what happens......you'll be amazed how many more bites you get.
In reply to Post #4
Shhhh!
Shhhh!
In reply to Post #1
I'm still using braided hooklinks, coated braid with a stripped back section, combi rigs or plain braid straight through.
I've hardly used mono or fluorocarbon hooklinks at all.
I'm still using braided hooklinks, coated braid with a stripped back section, combi rigs or plain braid straight through.
I've hardly used mono or fluorocarbon hooklinks at all.
In reply to Post #4
Do we believe carp suss certain rigs out?
Do we believe carp suss certain rigs out?
In reply to Post #7
100% they do. I just rely on not many people use rough agricultural rigs like mine.
100% they do. I just rely on not many people use rough agricultural rigs like mine.
Tim paisley was right when he wrote years ago about the pressure cycle. Applies to bait and rigs. That's why doing something even a little bit different works time after time. Had my best session last year fishing 3 bait luncheon meat stringers with braid links. No one one the lake could believe how I did, needless to say that soon stopped working....
In reply to Post #8
Agricultural or Industrial?
Sure mine are Industrial...
Rigs being sussed is why things 'advance'.
The basic hair was being sussed on Savay so Rod Hutchinson came up with the sliding hair rig, and Roger Smith the D-rig.
From mono to dacron to Multi-strand via Nash and Kryston to soft braid, to coated braid and fluorocarbon..
Despite claims that curved hooks don't need tubing kickers or line aligners, some fish can eject them and you do need to resort to line aligners.
The same rig can give totally different options or results by the hooklink material.
Agricultural or Industrial?
Sure mine are Industrial...
Rigs being sussed is why things 'advance'.
The basic hair was being sussed on Savay so Rod Hutchinson came up with the sliding hair rig, and Roger Smith the D-rig.
From mono to dacron to Multi-strand via Nash and Kryston to soft braid, to coated braid and fluorocarbon..
Despite claims that curved hooks don't need tubing kickers or line aligners, some fish can eject them and you do need to resort to line aligners.
The same rig can give totally different options or results by the hooklink material.
In reply to Post #8
Carp are not intelligent, I do believe they get wary of situations such as tightly baited spots and certain coloured baits but I cannot for one second believe they suck in a spinner rig and go ah, I know how to deal with this one.
Carp are not intelligent, I do believe they get wary of situations such as tightly baited spots and certain coloured baits but I cannot for one second believe they suck in a spinner rig and go ah, I know how to deal with this one.
In reply to Post #11
No one is saying that. But if you have a lake with say 100 fish in, and 90 of those have been caught on one set up multiple times, there's absolutely no doubt that that set up will become less effective.
Anyone that doesn't get that principle is limiting their options greatly
No one is saying that. But if you have a lake with say 100 fish in, and 90 of those have been caught on one set up multiple times, there's absolutely no doubt that that set up will become less effective.
Anyone that doesn't get that principle is limiting their options greatly
In reply to Post #12
The reason that happens is nothing to do with the rig though.
Baiting application, bait colour, clear spots, type of bait, lead arrangement, angling pressure, time of the year, number of fish in the area competing for food.
I'm not being argumentative but I do not believe a rig loses effectiveness, I believe other factors change catch rate.
Spinner rig has been around years for starters.
Baits blow, spots blow, genuinely don't believe rigs do.
The reason that happens is nothing to do with the rig though.
Baiting application, bait colour, clear spots, type of bait, lead arrangement, angling pressure, time of the year, number of fish in the area competing for food.
I'm not being argumentative but I do not believe a rig loses effectiveness, I believe other factors change catch rate.
Spinner rig has been around years for starters.
Baits blow, spots blow, genuinely don't believe rigs do.
In reply to Post #13
I think you could catch a lot more if you didn't think that..
Sometimes changing the rig can be amazing, you think the fish aren't there and a change of rig and suddenly bites.... it happens a lot
I think you could catch a lot more if you didn't think that..
Sometimes changing the rig can be amazing, you think the fish aren't there and a change of rig and suddenly bites.... it happens a lot
In reply to Post #14
I have no problem with my catch rate, if I don't catch I certainly don't blame the rig.
I have no problem with my catch rate, if I don't catch I certainly don't blame the rig.