Hi all,
Anyone used this setup and any feedback? I love the chod and usually use a leadcore section then straight to sub braid with great success, but been thinking of going pure braid all the way through, as it sinks and is supple enough to settle over low lying weed.
Anyone used this setup and any feedback? I love the chod and usually use a leadcore section then straight to sub braid with great success, but been thinking of going pure braid all the way through, as it sinks and is supple enough to settle over low lying weed.
In reply to Post #1
Big no no. Braid when tight is like cheese wire. Use a flurocarbon leader instead.
Big no no. Braid when tight is like cheese wire. Use a flurocarbon leader instead.
In reply to Post #2
Surely it depends on the diameter of the braid?
Surely it depends on the diameter of the braid?
In reply to Post #2
As also stated, don't agree when using high diameter Braid. Also this would mean we would never use braided hook links of any length surely??? The cheese wire theory would also apply to their mouths?
As also stated, don't agree when using high diameter Braid. Also this would mean we would never use braided hook links of any length surely??? The cheese wire theory would also apply to their mouths?
In reply to Post #2
It's always puzzled me...
If using a flouro leader then surely there must be a bulky knot where the flouro and braid join.
Maybe you use a big eyed swivel. How can this be truly safe?
It's always puzzled me...
If using a flouro leader then surely there must be a bulky knot where the flouro and braid join.
Maybe you use a big eyed swivel. How can this be truly safe?
In reply to Post #5
It's no different from using any kind of leader. I usually use enough fluro to get a few turns on the spool, makes casting a little more comfortable. An albright knot packs down pretty small.
Fair point about depending what diameter, still, I personally wouldn't be a fan. But I did used to use really long 12lb silkworm hook links and never had an issue, and that stuff really is cheesewire. So maybe it's a bit of a non issue.
It's no different from using any kind of leader. I usually use enough fluro to get a few turns on the spool, makes casting a little more comfortable. An albright knot packs down pretty small.
Fair point about depending what diameter, still, I personally wouldn't be a fan. But I did used to use really long 12lb silkworm hook links and never had an issue, and that stuff really is cheesewire. So maybe it's a bit of a non issue.
In reply to Post #6
Completely agree. I personally think that braid straight through is safer than a leadcore leader, or any leader for that matter, the less knots the better. I might give it a go and see.
Completely agree. I personally think that braid straight through is safer than a leadcore leader, or any leader for that matter, the less knots the better. I might give it a go and see.
In reply to Post #4
Braided hooklinks are a different material to braided mainline. I think (note, I think, not sure) braid mainlines are now coming with a Teflon or Kevlar component in the strand, which is capable of cutting as they are a finer diameter than most hooklink braids which don't have the Kevlar component.
Always with braid for carp fishing, I think you should use a mono, fluorocarbon leader, or cover the last metre or so with tubing.
Naked helicopter setups could be a problem.
Braided hooklinks are a different material to braided mainline. I think (note, I think, not sure) braid mainlines are now coming with a Teflon or Kevlar component in the strand, which is capable of cutting as they are a finer diameter than most hooklink braids which don't have the Kevlar component.
Always with braid for carp fishing, I think you should use a mono, fluorocarbon leader, or cover the last metre or so with tubing.
Naked helicopter setups could be a problem.
If you're using braided mainline, you should always use at least a meter of leadcore, or very thick flurocarbon/mono as a leader.
Mainline braids are like cheesewire and can cause tail damage, cut fins and lift scales right off.
Hooklengths aren't usually much of a problem because they're not long enough to really cause damage, however with braided mainline there's enough of it running alongside the full length of the fish that it can cause significant damage, especially to the tail, and especially with bigger stronger fish, with large tails.
Mainline braids are like cheesewire and can cause tail damage, cut fins and lift scales right off.
Hooklengths aren't usually much of a problem because they're not long enough to really cause damage, however with braided mainline there's enough of it running alongside the full length of the fish that it can cause significant damage, especially to the tail, and especially with bigger stronger fish, with large tails.
In reply to Post #9
Nonsense (in my opinion)
A braid with a diameter of 0.34 is causing no more damage than 15lb mono straight through.
And your theory of a braided hooklink being too short to cause damage? Well unless it's coated it's definitely not true. More than capable of damaging the mouths of carp much more than mono/fluoro/coated braids.
If we're talking about say 20lb power pro then yes definitely wouldn't be comfortable using it
This all being said I use leaders anyway because I prefer a stronger link at the business end., I'm just playing devils advocate.
Nonsense (in my opinion)
A braid with a diameter of 0.34 is causing no more damage than 15lb mono straight through.
And your theory of a braided hooklink being too short to cause damage? Well unless it's coated it's definitely not true. More than capable of damaging the mouths of carp much more than mono/fluoro/coated braids.
If we're talking about say 20lb power pro then yes definitely wouldn't be comfortable using it
This all being said I use leaders anyway because I prefer a stronger link at the business end., I'm just playing devils advocate.
Braid will always cause a lot more damage than mono straight through because it's abrasive with zero stretch, even if it's thicker - it cuts a lot more than mono, because it's abrasive.
To be honest, you'd lose your ticket from any well-run water, for fishing braid directly down to the lead, and rightly so.
To be honest, you'd lose your ticket from any well-run water, for fishing braid directly down to the lead, and rightly so.
In reply to Post #11
Completely disagree. All setups will lift scales and cause potential damage during a fight, I have seen more scales lifted with Zigs and long hook links, and your theory that it doesn't apply to braided hook links is contradictory and doesn't make sense. The theory that some sort of leader or tubing protects fish is completely dependent on the rig length for it to be effective. Also the idea that you would loose your ticket because you haven't got a metre of 45lb lead core ( which is braid with a lead wire inner!) is nonsense, lead core poses just as much as a threat as any material, if not more.
Naked helicopter setups are one of the most fish safe setups you can use, they allow the rig to completely detach itself from any end tackle due to having no knots. You will never be able to prevent fish damage in a fight, at the end of the day you are trying to put a hook in their mouth and pull them in!
Completely disagree. All setups will lift scales and cause potential damage during a fight, I have seen more scales lifted with Zigs and long hook links, and your theory that it doesn't apply to braided hook links is contradictory and doesn't make sense. The theory that some sort of leader or tubing protects fish is completely dependent on the rig length for it to be effective. Also the idea that you would loose your ticket because you haven't got a metre of 45lb lead core ( which is braid with a lead wire inner!) is nonsense, lead core poses just as much as a threat as any material, if not more.
Naked helicopter setups are one of the most fish safe setups you can use, they allow the rig to completely detach itself from any end tackle due to having no knots. You will never be able to prevent fish damage in a fight, at the end of the day you are trying to put a hook in their mouth and pull them in!
As Nick points out, almost all braided hook lengths are totally different to braided mainline.
Hook length materials are almost all coated, smooth, very thick and are completely different to what you'd use as mainline.
Using braid down to the lead without a leader, is just irresponsible and amateur, yes we're putting hooks in fish, but that doesn't mean we should do all we can to ensure fish welfare and minimise damage where possible.
Your point regarding lead core vs mainline braid being equally safe is wrong. This is because leadcore is much thicker and generally softer, than tight mainline braid, so it does less damaged when pulled tight across a fishes body.
I'm on 2 different well known syndicates, both are an instant ban for using braid naked down to the lead.
Hook length materials are almost all coated, smooth, very thick and are completely different to what you'd use as mainline.
Using braid down to the lead without a leader, is just irresponsible and amateur, yes we're putting hooks in fish, but that doesn't mean we should do all we can to ensure fish welfare and minimise damage where possible.
Your point regarding lead core vs mainline braid being equally safe is wrong. This is because leadcore is much thicker and generally softer, than tight mainline braid, so it does less damaged when pulled tight across a fishes body.
I'm on 2 different well known syndicates, both are an instant ban for using braid naked down to the lead.
In reply to Post #13
Advocating the use of leaders to increase fish safety is amateurish. 0.35 braid doesn't cut into a fishes flank like cheese wire.
Advocating the use of leaders to increase fish safety is amateurish. 0.35 braid doesn't cut into a fishes flank like cheese wire.
In reply to Post #14
You crack on!
Go and get a ticket on any well run syndicate with good fish, fished by anglers who know what they're doing, then see what happens when you're caught fishing braided mainline directly down to the lead without a leader.
You crack on!
Go and get a ticket on any well run syndicate with good fish, fished by anglers who know what they're doing, then see what happens when you're caught fishing braided mainline directly down to the lead without a leader.