CarpForum.co.uk brand mark, a blue stylized fish with a white eye and a smooth modern look, set in the site header against a clean background CarpForum.co.uk wordmark in a bold flowing script style, reading CarpForum.co.uk, displayed in the site header
Menu
Utils
Go Premium Who's Online Members Weather Venues Photo Gallery Articles Events calendar
Account
Login Register
Ronnie = Bumped Fish (19 posts / 2,808 views)
Belch Belch
MODERATORMOD
Posts: 4,666
Post #1 30 Jan 2023 12:18
0
Only recently started messing with this rig (based on the hookchange convenience and stiff boom presentation benefits) and have settled on the 'D Rig' variant being a previous 'whipped IQ D' user for most of my previous rig use.

Never had hookhold problems with bigger fish on my main water however dropped a couple of fish yesterday using an 'original' ronnie (hook bead with rig ring direct to hook) with my 10' rods on a smaller dayticket water and using a scaled down set up - ie size 10 micro barbed muggas with an 8mm pop up.

These were smaller fish (mid doubles) and admittedly maybe they were feeding tentatively (ice had only just thawed etc) however on both occasions the fish were dropped on a tight line half way through the fight - the two fish I did land were nailed through the bottom lip as expected.

Anyone else had this issue? Should it remain a big fish only rig?
OatcakeFred OatcakeFred
Posts: 1,468
Post #2 30 Jan 2023 16:57
0
In reply to Post #1
I've never had this issue with the Ronnie, in fact, I can't recall ever losing any fish on it. Admittedly, I've never really scaled it down for really small baits, I use a 12 or 13mm on a size 6 Mugga, and have had fish from about 4lb up to > 20lb.
Belch Belch
MODERATORMOD
Posts: 4,666
Post #3 30 Jan 2023 18:33
0
In reply to Post #2
That's my point in that my usual 'D Rig Ronnie' (Mugga Size 4 with D Rig kicker / Crimped Boom / Tungsten anti tangle sleeve) and larger baits has never failed with bigger fish (25+) - however this scaled down variant albeit without D Rig kicker did . . .did drop the boom down to 15lb however maybe this itself (a stiff boom) is affecting the mechanics and with smaller hooks / baits? Maybe a supple coated braid might work a little better?
mark1009
Posts: 4,739
Post #4 30 Jan 2023 18:44
0
In reply to Post #3
I think big fish are just clumsier feeders than smaller ones. They have a bigger blind spot when feeding for a start. That's why a 3 inch hinged stiff rig catches big fish and not so many smaller ones I've caught loads of big roach on a size 8 hook and 15mm boilie on a braid hook length. Not on a stiff hinged rig.
AaronB1992 AaronB1992
Posts: 341
Post #5 30 Jan 2023 18:50
0
I started using the Ronnie around 18 months ago, truthfully these days if I use a pop up I have full confidence in it. I have dropped one fish on that rig in that that time, the waters I'm on are barbless so who knows whether it was the rig or the hook, or just one of those things
Ynnek
Posts: 889
Post #6 30 Jan 2023 18:53
0
In reply to Post #1
A Ronnie is a big hook rig for me.
Size 6 or bigger... Still need to drop one one.

Using 10ft rods, nylon line, semi stiff coated hooklink, mugga hook and a micro ring swive' on the hook.


In addition, I've got no good experience with small curve shank books (size 10) . Had a lot of hookpulls 5years ago when i scaled down my rigs
AndyClark AndyClark
Posts: 5,816
Post #7 31 Jan 2023 09:26
0
regardless of size of bait,aslong as the hookbait is holding the weight of the hook up and everything is sitting perfect,use the biggest hook you can...size 4 muggas I use.
I dont see the need to scale down as the way this hook sits its covered by the bait.
bigger the better.
bobstains bobstains
Posts: 73
Post #8 31 Jan 2023 18:57
0
I tried the Ronnie a few years back, even got the mugga hooks, as so many spoke highly of them. Lost my first two fish, so switched back to my faithful combo rig, but still tied with a mugga. Lost my third fish.

I've never fished a Ronnie or used a mugga since.

Think I've lost 3 fish in the 3 years since then.

Edited to add, my fishing buddy, who's success put me onto the Ronnie, doesn't lose many fish.
InTheMargin
Posts: 451
Post #9 31 Jan 2023 20:52
0
In reply to Post #1
Have you considered the test curve of the rods you are you using? Heard this before with regards to bumping fish and particularly fish under 20lb mark.
mark1009
Posts: 4,739
Post #10 31 Jan 2023 21:01
0
In reply to Post #9
That's a good point. Many years ago my fishing buddy got some new fast taoer rods and was bumping fish all the time. I had more through taper rods and never lost a fish. Mind you it did take a bit longer to land them.
InTheMargin
Posts: 451
Post #11 31 Jan 2023 21:16
0
In reply to Post #10
I think its definetely a big thing to consider particularly with these shorter, higher test curve rods that are all the rage now. Mid double fish usually fight hard and erratic where a softer rod is needed to absorb them. Ive seen it before and the 1st port of call is always the rigs without considering the rods.
Busted
Posts: 1,883
Post #12 1 Feb 2023 07:27
0
In reply to Post #1
I use size 4 muggas for almost everything (multi rig and the occasional gernan or slip D) and very very rarely bump fish

Tried the ronnie as it suited the situation slightly better. Had 2 takes over my next 3 sessions (not a particularly easy water) and lost both

Tried the ronnie again on a local runs water (low doubles to mid 20s) bumped another 3 or 4 (probably landed the same number) despite using big hooks and small baits

I wont use it again but a good mate of mine does ok on it (he still loses a few and managed to blag an upper 40 that was hooked in the top lip)
Belch Belch
MODERATORMOD
Posts: 4,666
Post #13 1 Feb 2023 10:35
0
In reply to Post #11
I think this is a fair point - my 10' set up is relatively new to me (have been a die hard 12/13' man for all my other fishing) and they are 3.25 so playing a fish is a slightly different proposition albeit I am already used to the action / characteristics. Agree it could be this inconjunction with the rig (and aggressive nature of sub 20 torpedo commons) thats the real issue. Going to fish two on the spot with different rigs next visit and see if that makes a difference - ye olde coated braid combi rig will be making a return!

As for muggas will never change these - absolute confidence hooks IMO
AndyClark AndyClark
Posts: 5,816
Post #14 1 Feb 2023 11:26
0
In reply to Post #13
I generally fish a rig for the situation,if conditions allow my first choice go to rig is a flouro d rig with a wafter, after that for very low lying weed it will a ronnie on a stiff boom with the top bead on the heli set up slid up according,heavier weed it's a semi stiff coated hooklength ronnie style, top bead adjusted accordingly. all with size 4 muggas.
mushageez
Posts: 131
Post #15 1 Feb 2023 15:23
0
In reply to Post #1
I occasionally fish a runs water with fish upto 20lb and generally use fine lines, 8lb mainline and mono links and land most fish and a fair few more compared to other carp anglers that fish stiff hook links / ronnies. The reason being is what someone alluded to earlier is that smaller fish on runs type waters are much more riggy than a 25lb+ carp on a low stocked gravel pit.
Are you sure?

This action cannot be undone.

Yes, continue

Loading…