Fishing in weed which is coming up pretty fast,thinking either a Chod or hinge rig with a long semi stiff boom ?
In reply to Post #1
Id go for a long running naked chod i think mate. Lightest lead possible, 1.5oz idealy.
Id go for a long running naked chod i think mate. Lightest lead possible, 1.5oz idealy.
In reply to Post #1
Same situation for me on my new syndicate, hoping to use the stiff hinge, haven't used a chod for years, dropped far too many.
Same situation for me on my new syndicate, hoping to use the stiff hinge, haven't used a chod for years, dropped far too many.
If you can fish low lying weed I'd opt for the hinge. Always had great results as I'm not a fan of light leads
Long running chod for me.. 5-6 ft of leadcore ..
Bottom bead sits on a stop or knot 12 inch's from lead .
Top stop all the way up to 5ft .. my waters ate like football pitches and I catch safely and successfully like this .
Always moisten your top stop ...
Bottom bead sits on a stop or knot 12 inch's from lead .
Top stop all the way up to 5ft .. my waters ate like football pitches and I catch safely and successfully like this .
Always moisten your top stop ...
In reply to Post #1
Reverse combi. Boom section few inches longer than the length of the weed with a lead clip.
Reverse combi. Boom section few inches longer than the length of the weed with a lead clip.
In reply to Post #3
The Chod I use is set up on 4ft lead core but I use tubing 6 inches of it up from the lead and use the lightest lead possible never lose fish on it big hook 3inch hook link the key is that tubing keeping the lead away from the hook during the fight
The Chod I use is set up on 4ft lead core but I use tubing 6 inches of it up from the lead and use the lightest lead possible never lose fish on it big hook 3inch hook link the key is that tubing keeping the lead away from the hook during the fight
I absolutely hate helicopter, bomb on the end of the line set-ups in weed, inlines are far better option.
And in weed NEVER use leadcore. If you get a breakage the fish is left towing it around, and that can snag and tether in the weed. I have had to retrieve fish tethered like that, going out into the lake to unsnag the fish. I also know of a number of Fisheries that have lost fish tethered on leadcore and eventually found dead. Other fishery owners have had to euthanise fish that had broken their jaw, still hooked after being caught up on that sh..
Inline distance lead, or drop-off inline, with a multi rig, or even a simple knotless knotted braid rig will catch.
Put the whole lot in a PVA bag, lead, hook and bait. Hook in the bottom corner nicked in, plenty of chopped freebies, pellets and boilies around the short hooklink, and the top of the bag lick and stick over the lead.
And in weed NEVER use leadcore. If you get a breakage the fish is left towing it around, and that can snag and tether in the weed. I have had to retrieve fish tethered like that, going out into the lake to unsnag the fish. I also know of a number of Fisheries that have lost fish tethered on leadcore and eventually found dead. Other fishery owners have had to euthanise fish that had broken their jaw, still hooked after being caught up on that sh..
Inline distance lead, or drop-off inline, with a multi rig, or even a simple knotless knotted braid rig will catch.
Put the whole lot in a PVA bag, lead, hook and bait. Hook in the bottom corner nicked in, plenty of chopped freebies, pellets and boilies around the short hooklink, and the top of the bag lick and stick over the lead.
In reply to Post #8
Casting solid bags into heavy weed I've never been massive in confidence on
Casting solid bags into heavy weed I've never been massive in confidence on
In reply to Post #8
Never use leadcore in weed...
In your opinion ..
Never use leadcore in weed...
In your opinion ..
In reply to Post #10
Post #8
Never use leadcore in weed...
In your opinion
I took the trouble to experiment in the water with leadcore, and fishery owners have had to ban it because of the risks it caused, so I would say more than just opinion.
In fact I would say, in weedy or snaggy waters, don't use any leader at all.
Post #8
Never use leadcore in weed...
In your opinion
I took the trouble to experiment in the water with leadcore, and fishery owners have had to ban it because of the risks it caused, so I would say more than just opinion.
In fact I would say, in weedy or snaggy waters, don't use any leader at all.
In reply to Post #1
Use a chod, shortest leader as possible and set it up with a Korda no trace bead
Use a chod, shortest leader as possible and set it up with a Korda no trace bead
In reply to Post #11
Nick over many years of bailiffing I've had to rescue/recover numerous tethered fish from snags and weed and the vast majority of them were attached to leadcore rigs. Many seemingly set up safely. So not just your opinion.
Nick over many years of bailiffing I've had to rescue/recover numerous tethered fish from snags and weed and the vast majority of them were attached to leadcore rigs. Many seemingly set up safely. So not just your opinion.
In reply to Post #11
I'll that on board but personally I've never had a problem as I fish braid.
Fish can tethered on all manner of lines and braids etc ....
If it bothers you that much you wouldn't fish at all .
That's why I gave up eel fishing .. they are delicate and in decline .
It bothered me so much I knocked it on the head .
I don't go around to people saying NEVER fish for eels.
My opinions my opinion and yours is yours .
I'll that on board but personally I've never had a problem as I fish braid.
Fish can tethered on all manner of lines and braids etc ....
If it bothers you that much you wouldn't fish at all .
That's why I gave up eel fishing .. they are delicate and in decline .
It bothered me so much I knocked it on the head .
I don't go around to people saying NEVER fish for eels.
My opinions my opinion and yours is yours .
In reply to Post #14
In reply to Post #11
I'll that on board but personally I've never had a problem as I fish braid.
Fish can tethered on all manner of lines and braids etc ....
If it bothers you that much you wouldn't fish at all .
That's why I gave up eel fishing .. they are delicate and in decline .
It bothered me so much I knocked it on the head .
I don't go around to people saying NEVER fish for eels.
My opinions my opinion and yours is yours .
Nick over many years of bailiffing I've had to rescue/recover numerous tethered fish from snags and weed and the vast majority of them were attached to leadcore rigs. Many seemingly set up safely. So not just your opinion.
@Westmidsmoaner,
Please don't try to use the 'if you cared that much' card, it is not a valid argument. I think it is more than just opinion.
I have stated I won't use ANY leader near weed or snags, because I have had to retrieve snagged fish from it, I try to reduce the risks. I will avoid swims where I think fishing would cause problems if I hook a fish. I have access to a boat to get out if a fish does make it to a weedbed or snag, (and I wear a lifejacket for my own protection).
I also pointed out fishery owners have retrieved fish both dead and alive tethered on leadcore, Essexandy has backed me up on that, and I also know Moorsey had to kill a fish he retrieved where leadcore had wrapped around weed and had broken the carps jaw where it was dragging behind.
Suffolk Water Park lost a big fish to a leadcore rig, Grey Tail had reached 40lbs but was found tethered and dead. There are more incidents, and have been reported by the angling press, Angling Times, Anglers Mail and CarpTalk/ CarpWorld. Simon Crow at least has had articles written about it, Keith Moors has made his argument against it in print.
I experimented after I lost a fish, that I left trailing leadcore, and found that it wasn't safe. I got into the water in winter to experiment, and had to untangle a fish wrapped in the stuff around the only snags in the lake, chest deep to someone else's rig.
Even last year I retrieved a leadcore set-up on my syndicate that was a shocker, a snap-off, that thank goodness, the bait had fallen off, but caught up in the weed. I was in chesties raking a swim when I got pulled off balance. I had to work my way along the leadcore untangling as I went.
I use 50lb braid for pike fishing. I hook a pike I need to land it, if you break off with pike tackle and leave a baited trace, that is a guaranteed dead fish, it does not mean I can fish into snags. Braid is so different to mono mainline. If when carp fishing the mainline breaks, carp can eject the hook if there is no added or inherent weight, that means any leadcore or fixed or still attached lead.
I mentioned on another thread, and I think it was Scozza who actually made the query, about how my inline lead is attached to the hooklink swivel join, I use rubber tulip beads, which will pull off the swivel, and the lead is then free to slide over the broken mainline.
I have no problem in casting a PVA bag into weed, however if I think it is too thick, from leading around or feeling around with a marker float (if the marker float doesn't rise up its too thick to fish) I try to find an area with less weed. In these less weedy areas, a pop-up rig with the lead, and a bag of bits has caught me plenty of fish.
In reply to Post #11
I'll that on board but personally I've never had a problem as I fish braid.
Fish can tethered on all manner of lines and braids etc ....
If it bothers you that much you wouldn't fish at all .
That's why I gave up eel fishing .. they are delicate and in decline .
It bothered me so much I knocked it on the head .
I don't go around to people saying NEVER fish for eels.
My opinions my opinion and yours is yours .
Nick over many years of bailiffing I've had to rescue/recover numerous tethered fish from snags and weed and the vast majority of them were attached to leadcore rigs. Many seemingly set up safely. So not just your opinion.
@Westmidsmoaner,
Please don't try to use the 'if you cared that much' card, it is not a valid argument. I think it is more than just opinion.
I have stated I won't use ANY leader near weed or snags, because I have had to retrieve snagged fish from it, I try to reduce the risks. I will avoid swims where I think fishing would cause problems if I hook a fish. I have access to a boat to get out if a fish does make it to a weedbed or snag, (and I wear a lifejacket for my own protection).
I also pointed out fishery owners have retrieved fish both dead and alive tethered on leadcore, Essexandy has backed me up on that, and I also know Moorsey had to kill a fish he retrieved where leadcore had wrapped around weed and had broken the carps jaw where it was dragging behind.
Suffolk Water Park lost a big fish to a leadcore rig, Grey Tail had reached 40lbs but was found tethered and dead. There are more incidents, and have been reported by the angling press, Angling Times, Anglers Mail and CarpTalk/ CarpWorld. Simon Crow at least has had articles written about it, Keith Moors has made his argument against it in print.
I experimented after I lost a fish, that I left trailing leadcore, and found that it wasn't safe. I got into the water in winter to experiment, and had to untangle a fish wrapped in the stuff around the only snags in the lake, chest deep to someone else's rig.
Even last year I retrieved a leadcore set-up on my syndicate that was a shocker, a snap-off, that thank goodness, the bait had fallen off, but caught up in the weed. I was in chesties raking a swim when I got pulled off balance. I had to work my way along the leadcore untangling as I went.
I use 50lb braid for pike fishing. I hook a pike I need to land it, if you break off with pike tackle and leave a baited trace, that is a guaranteed dead fish, it does not mean I can fish into snags. Braid is so different to mono mainline. If when carp fishing the mainline breaks, carp can eject the hook if there is no added or inherent weight, that means any leadcore or fixed or still attached lead.
I mentioned on another thread, and I think it was Scozza who actually made the query, about how my inline lead is attached to the hooklink swivel join, I use rubber tulip beads, which will pull off the swivel, and the lead is then free to slide over the broken mainline.
I have no problem in casting a PVA bag into weed, however if I think it is too thick, from leading around or feeling around with a marker float (if the marker float doesn't rise up its too thick to fish) I try to find an area with less weed. In these less weedy areas, a pop-up rig with the lead, and a bag of bits has caught me plenty of fish.