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Rigs breaking at 20lbs (29 posts / 3,466 views)
Elliottcarp
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Post #1 2 Apr 2020 15:21
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I'm testing my rigs, and I noticed that they break at 20lbs. I first thought that would be okay as the braid is rated at 20lb so couldnt ask for much more... However, when I tie with a figure of 8 knot it goes upto 22 / 23lbs. I'm currently using a simple overhand knot and still achieving what I consider to be half decent breaking point. Is a breaking point of 20lb okay for a 50lb carp and larger? Also, am I completely over thinking this because I seen people catch on 20lb zig line before
framey framey
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Post #2 2 Apr 2020 16:21
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In reply to Post #1
Main line will have a stretch in it .you will never pull 20lb with the rod as it will break first
Old-Cornishman
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Post #3 2 Apr 2020 16:26
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In reply to Post #1
Definitely over thinking.
You wouldn't get the leverage to exert anything approaching that.
If you consider your rods tc how much more than that do you expect to put down your line?

Halfcentury
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Post #4 2 Apr 2020 18:43
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In reply to Post #1
Use the best knot. What's the problem. The figure of eight knot outperforms the overhand knot, no brainer. I don't know where this use of the overhand knot has come from. 50 years ago everybody knew it was weak and unreliable and nobody used it and you were taught that by experienced anglers.
noj
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Social photographer... Post #5 2 Apr 2020 19:25
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In reply to Post #3
Test curve isn't the power output of a blank. There are indeed 3.5lb carp rods that will only pull about 3.5lb.
There are rods around 2lb that will pull 3x that
Higher BS hook links protect against abrasion, shock on the knots as the shorter length doesn't stretch and act as a buffer, plus stiffness is sometimes preferable
Elliottcarp
Posts: 18
Post #6 2 Apr 2020 19:54
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In reply to Post #4
I'll explain my issue... I've tied up 60 rigs with the overhand knot. However, after another post I made, I started looking into knots and found that everyone is using the figure 8 knot - I wasnt taught by anyone how to make rigs as the experienced anglers i know are buying pre tied rigs and / or never mentioned the figure 8 knot to me before. Even watching videos online, I must of missed it. But the figure of 8 loop is harder to do due to shortness of rig anyways.

So, instead of cutting up all the rigs and wasting the money, I decided to see what they break at and see if it made much of a difference compared to the figure 8 knot. The overhand loop broke at 20lbs and even though the figure 8 knot did break at a higher breaking strain, I wondered if I needed to re-tie the rigs because I wasnt sure if a breaking point of 20lb was too low for large carp. All the experienced anglers I asked didnt know as they dont tie rigs and said that I've been doing overhand loop in the past so they couldnt see the issue butttttt I wanted to ask everyone here
Elliottcarp
Posts: 18
Post #7 2 Apr 2020 20:02
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In reply to Post #6
So I guess my question is. Would they be okay? Would you trust them or re-tie the rigs?
phil090781
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Post #8 2 Apr 2020 20:15
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In reply to Post #7
Plenty of people use an overhand knot. They'll be fine.
Old-Cornishman
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Post #9 2 Apr 2020 20:25
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In reply to Post #5
Yes I understand that the pull will depend on other things apart from tc but he is not likely come close to exerting 20 lb.
Abrasion resistance will be the same whatever knot he uses, so will the stiffness, so we are left with a breaking strain of 20 or 22/23lb. A very minor difference.
Halfcentury
Posts: 1,284
Post #10 2 Apr 2020 20:30
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In reply to Post #8
That is very poor advice. Then people wonder why they crack off and lose fish. How many cut offs are knot failures? Use the right knot and tie it correctly.
Halfcentury
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Post #11 2 Apr 2020 20:34
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In reply to Post #7
I would definitely not trust them. Learn the knot and take your time, we've all got plenty. Sacrifice the line and do it right. I don't think any truly experienced angler would advise anything else.
phil090781
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Post #12 2 Apr 2020 20:38
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In reply to Post #11
It's not poor advice. Overhand knot is perfectly acceptable for a hooklink.
Halfcentury
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Post #13 2 Apr 2020 21:02
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In reply to Post #12
It most certainly is poor advice. Nothing else to say. Do it your way for yourself but your advice will lose people fish.
noj
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Social photographer... Post #14 2 Apr 2020 21:04
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In reply to Post #9
I mentioned abrasion resistance as one of the reasons a higher bs link is used, not because of the knot used.
Though it obviously would help account for badly tied knots.
Personally I think hooklinks should often be the lightest part of the set up. I'll happily use 8 or 10lb mono, snags and obstacles permitting.
It's worth recognising people catch tarpon well over 100lb on lighter tippet/hook link than carp anglers use for mid doubles
phil090781
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Post #15 2 Apr 2020 21:06
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In reply to Post #13
I maintain that an overhand loop is a perfectly acceptable and widely used knot to loop a coated braid hooklink. I think you're making a fool of yourself if I'm being honest, and you obviously have an attitude problem.
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