I know this is a burnt out subject but who drops their leads on leadcore?
It's great having a top safety bead that passes over the leadcore loop on a rotary setup but this can only happen when the hook length has a weight to pull against.
Drop the lead and the fish just trails a leadcore leader if the mainline breaks yet it amazes me how many anglers still drop their leads on leadcore thinking they have a perfectly safe setup.
I'm interested to hear different views on this subject ....
It's great having a top safety bead that passes over the leadcore loop on a rotary setup but this can only happen when the hook length has a weight to pull against.
Drop the lead and the fish just trails a leadcore leader if the mainline breaks yet it amazes me how many anglers still drop their leads on leadcore thinking they have a perfectly safe setup.
I'm interested to hear different views on this subject ....
In reply to Post #1
Never drop the lead on leadcore, next.....
Never drop the lead on leadcore, next.....
In reply to Post #2
Ditto. And don't use lead core for snag fishing.
Ditto. And don't use lead core for snag fishing.
In reply to Post #2
And me three.
Never drop the lead on leadcore, and do not use it in weed or snags.
And me three.
Never drop the lead on leadcore, and do not use it in weed or snags.
In reply to Post #1
Dropping leads is silly, nomatter what you use
Dropping leads is silly, nomatter what you use
i wouldnt go as far as saying never drop a lead ever. on leadcore i agree but there is certain situations I will drop a lead depending on the situation but never with leadcore.
In reply to Post #1
Chuffy that was the reaction I expected.
It's a given amongst experienced carp anglers.
But where does Korda put this warning on their helisafe droppers?
There's new blood flooding into the carp scene every week and the industry should be shouldering more responsibility for fish safety.
The Korda lead clips are also dangerous, jam the tail rubber on too tightly without wetting with saliva and death follows.
I totally understand why some venues, home and abroad are banning these products.
Chuffy that was the reaction I expected.
It's a given amongst experienced carp anglers.
But where does Korda put this warning on their helisafe droppers?
There's new blood flooding into the carp scene every week and the industry should be shouldering more responsibility for fish safety.
The Korda lead clips are also dangerous, jam the tail rubber on too tightly without wetting with saliva and death follows.
I totally understand why some venues, home and abroad are banning these products.
there is room for most things to turn into a disaster if used by numpties. there aint a substitute for experience but some people want everything now. fished a few weeks ago a guy in his 40s turned up with all the kit I had just returned a fish and was in the process of chucking out when he asked what line I was using, if I used a shockleader and why I aint using 50mm butt rings. he dropped next door and cracked 4 rigs of in 4 casts and came back round asking why he couldn't reach the distance and why he was cracking off turns out he was using 18lb fluorocarbon to a leadcore leader attached by a swivel. The ticket costs a grand fish upto 50lb. And that puts you in a awkward position to have to tell a bloke that he is using a deathrig. He had all the gear but no idea. The odd rig check wouldn't go a miss people bayliffs abuse it and rig check people because they are the only people catching.
In reply to Post #1
I agree with everything that has been posted about not dropping the lead on a rotary set up. If you drop the lead the hooklink cannot pass over the top bead and will be trailing the leadcore.
I've always thought the ‘elephant in the room' with rig safety is a standard lead clip set up with leadcore will also leave a fish trailing leadcore in the event of a break off. Why does nobody talk about this??
I agree with everything that has been posted about not dropping the lead on a rotary set up. If you drop the lead the hooklink cannot pass over the top bead and will be trailing the leadcore.
I've always thought the ‘elephant in the room' with rig safety is a standard lead clip set up with leadcore will also leave a fish trailing leadcore in the event of a break off. Why does nobody talk about this??
In reply to Post #5
Ip100
I have to disagree mate, I'm not a fan of dropping leads but dropping a heavy inline lead is a must.
Particularly when fished on a very short hook length in a PVA bag.
This is the only time I drop a lead or the lead will be smashing into the carps head / eye during the fight
Ip100
I have to disagree mate, I'm not a fan of dropping leads but dropping a heavy inline lead is a must.
Particularly when fished on a very short hook length in a PVA bag.
This is the only time I drop a lead or the lead will be smashing into the carps head / eye during the fight
In reply to Post #9
Phil,
Good of you to bring this up.
Years ago I challenged an article in Advanced Carp Fishing that had leadcore set-up with the rig at the end, and a pendant style lead, on a lead clip.
I wrote to the editor at the time, after I had done some experiments in the water in winter, and found any leadcore set-up that broke off above the leader, whether the lead was attached or not, became a tether rig.
My findings were laughed off, I was accused of being a keyboard warrior, rather than an angler.
ACF then commissioned an article, Moorsey vs an ESP sponsored angler, for or against leadcore. Moorsey's response I think is obvious, no need for leadcore, however the sponsored angler again accused me of scaremongering.
I stand by my findings, you should never use an inline, pendant lead clip or run ring set-up with leadcore, and even with a helicopter set-up, you must be 100% that the fish will not be trailing the lot about, the only thing they should be left with in event of a break-off is the rig, which CAN be ejected.
Phil,
Good of you to bring this up.
Years ago I challenged an article in Advanced Carp Fishing that had leadcore set-up with the rig at the end, and a pendant style lead, on a lead clip.
I wrote to the editor at the time, after I had done some experiments in the water in winter, and found any leadcore set-up that broke off above the leader, whether the lead was attached or not, became a tether rig.
My findings were laughed off, I was accused of being a keyboard warrior, rather than an angler.
ACF then commissioned an article, Moorsey vs an ESP sponsored angler, for or against leadcore. Moorsey's response I think is obvious, no need for leadcore, however the sponsored angler again accused me of scaremongering.
I stand by my findings, you should never use an inline, pendant lead clip or run ring set-up with leadcore, and even with a helicopter set-up, you must be 100% that the fish will not be trailing the lot about, the only thing they should be left with in event of a break-off is the rig, which CAN be ejected.
In reply to Post #7
The Korda lead clips are also dangerous, jam the tail rubber on too tightly without wetting with saliva and death follows.
Korda lead clips are not dangerous. An idiot that misuses gear is dangerous.
As for Korda putting a warning on the heli safe. Do we see a warning on the packets of lead clips from literally ANY other manufacturer? Nope.
Korda have no more to do with this subject than any other tackle firm imo. Could they do more to communicate safe use info? Defo, but so could everyone else.
The Korda lead clips are also dangerous, jam the tail rubber on too tightly without wetting with saliva and death follows.
Korda lead clips are not dangerous. An idiot that misuses gear is dangerous.
As for Korda putting a warning on the heli safe. Do we see a warning on the packets of lead clips from literally ANY other manufacturer? Nope.
Korda have no more to do with this subject than any other tackle firm imo. Could they do more to communicate safe use info? Defo, but so could everyone else.
In reply to Post #10
Disagree all you want mate but it's wrong. If you feel you "have" to drop the lead then you aint fishing right imo. In the circumstances you mentioned its simple, don't use big heavy inline leads and short rigs. It's completely unnecessary
Disagree all you want mate but it's wrong. If you feel you "have" to drop the lead then you aint fishing right imo. In the circumstances you mentioned its simple, don't use big heavy inline leads and short rigs. It's completely unnecessary
In reply to Post #13
I dont use big heavy inline leads with short hook links but I can find plenty of mainstream carp anglers in the fishing press that do.
This is the reason I started this thread, the carp fishing industry is pushing fish safety to the back of the queue.
I used Korda as an example but most tackle manufacturers are guilty of failing to show what happens if their products are used incorrectly.
It also grinds at me how the carp fishing community seem to have developed some kind of superiority complex and look down on inexperienced anglers.
Noddy, Argos carper, We've all heard the many derogatory comments aimed at fellow anglers and its a far cry from the 1980s before carp fishing became some kind of cult.
Its not a crime to be an inexperienced carp angler and the industry should be geared to the inexperienced with Do's & Donts clearly labelled on their packaging.
This combined with regular rig checks by bailiffs up and down the country is the way forward for our sport and for the protection of the fish we all should care about.
I dont use big heavy inline leads with short hook links but I can find plenty of mainstream carp anglers in the fishing press that do.
This is the reason I started this thread, the carp fishing industry is pushing fish safety to the back of the queue.
I used Korda as an example but most tackle manufacturers are guilty of failing to show what happens if their products are used incorrectly.
It also grinds at me how the carp fishing community seem to have developed some kind of superiority complex and look down on inexperienced anglers.
Noddy, Argos carper, We've all heard the many derogatory comments aimed at fellow anglers and its a far cry from the 1980s before carp fishing became some kind of cult.
Its not a crime to be an inexperienced carp angler and the industry should be geared to the inexperienced with Do's & Donts clearly labelled on their packaging.
This combined with regular rig checks by bailiffs up and down the country is the way forward for our sport and for the protection of the fish we all should care about.
In reply to Post #14
This is the reason I started this thread, the carp fishing industry is pushing fish safety to the back of the queue.
There has never been a wider variety of safety items within the tackle world and there has never been more information about safe angling at our fingertips.
This is the reason I started this thread, the carp fishing industry is pushing fish safety to the back of the queue.
There has never been a wider variety of safety items within the tackle world and there has never been more information about safe angling at our fingertips.