I managed to get myself banned for a month from my club lake for using a naked chod this morning. The bailiffs that banned me said we can only use chods with tubing to protect the fish no leadcore or naked is allowed. I've never used a chod with tungsten tubing before how do you go about setting it up so it's safe. I'm going need to use around 3ft of tubing.

In reply to Post #1
I have trouble threading 18inchs of tubing let alone 3 ft...

I have the same issue with my club water. Leaders are band and we are required to use tubing at all times when fishing on the bottom. So effectively ruling out Chods...

The only way I've thought to get round it. And bearing in mind I haven't tried it. Is to use a short length of tubing ( compling with club rules ) down by the lead with a large bore bead sitting on top of the tubing for the chod section to sit on. I've seen simular rigs with a short section of leadcore. What in theory should happen is that when playing the fish the bead and chod section will slide down to the lead the same as when using any other version of the rig.. That's the theory anyway..

In reply to Post #2
Korda do a heli tubing kit but it wont be long enough for the top bead, it will just pull the chod rig down into the weed. It was a bit harsh banning me though, a warning would have sufficed. They took my key and membership card off me and I was escorted off the lake. I might try and knock something up to try and satisfy them but by the sounds of it, it's going to be a faff.

In reply to Post #3
Realistically you won't be able to use Chods running on tubing. Does the club state Chod rigs are banned? What about Zigs? Can't use tubing with those.. in theory you can. But it will serve no purpose.

Does seem a bit harsh banning you. Especially being frog marched of the venue aswell.

At least it was only a month.. appeal it..

In reply to Post #1
So a basic running lead set up, which is as safe as it gets is banned? Really? Where do these idiots dream this stuff up...

The naked chod, along with a basic running lead is about the safest rigs that you can possibly use.

That's absolutely horrific, but a glimpse into the way carp fishing is heading more and more. Clueless joeys with a little bit of power acting like the gestapo. They have banned you at the very best time of year.... You will be allowed back just as it closes for spawning. I feel very bad for you. All that you mention, for using pretty much the very safest rigs that you possibly could for their fish.

Normally this sort of caper is reserved exclusively for people catching far to many. You been hauling?

In reply to Post #1
I've not used it myself, but I would be looking at that steel cored tubing, is it Rigmarole, in your situation. I'm pretty sure that it could be used as a leadcore replacement for a chod.
I would add that I think you've got away lightly with a months ban. When you join a water you know the rules and if you choose to break them, no matter how daft they seem to you, then you can expect nothing less than being kicked off.
Anyway I'm sure you'll get this situation sussed and be able to enjoy the rest of your season.

In reply to Post #5
It's well annoying, My spot was just getting going I've had 3 fish in 3 trips off of it using chods including a stunning 25 lb mirror yesterday morning before I got kicked off. They even said we need tubing if we are going to be surface fishing. The rules state tubing must be used but I did not think that was with chods. There are no warnings given with this lot it's an instant ban, the bailiff said he hates having to kick me off but he has no choice, surely a warning would have been OK for a first offence. He said you have tubing to protect the fish when playing it but not one piece of damage was done to any of the 3 fish I've caught over the last 3 weeks. I'm lucky I have another club to fish otherwise I'd be stuffed for the next month.

In reply to Post #4
He said we can use chods but one with tubing as leadcore is banned.

In reply to Post #6
its banned as well lol.

In reply to Post #6
Quote....I would add that I think you've got away lightly with a months ban. When you join a water you know the rules and if you choose to break them, no matter how daft they seem to you, then you can expect nothing less than being kicked off.

If he worked for Nash though, it would be fine I'd guess wouldn't it.

He got off lightly did he??? Spoken like a true new age lake owner with a bit of control over others. Even when it's absolute crackpot lunacy he deserves it does he? Well done you. Glad that I would never fish somewhere like your lake. How comical that in your rush to berate him for his interpretation of the rules... You're own holier than tho suggestion to him would see him (or yourself) banned as well.

In reply to Post #7
Quote... It's well annoying, My spot was just getting going I've had 3 fish in 3 trips off of it using chods including a stunning 25 lb mirror yesterday morning before I got kicked off. They even said we need tubing if we are going to be surface fishing.

There is your answer. 3 fish in 3 trips and the one with a bit of power does not like it. The stunner you had upset him.

People like this should not be in control of lakes.

It's similar to a traffic warden.

If you were putting the fish in danger, I could understand. Surface fishing with tubing? Hahahaha. Using tubing on a chod makes it far more dangerous than naked. If that tubing comes detached from the lead end it's never passing over the top bead of the chod. The ring swivel no matter how large is getting tangled behind that tubing.... Leading to a tethered/dead carp.

Absolute lunacy. Tubing when surface fishing, I've never heard such crackpot ideas in my life.

It's got to be about you catching.

In reply to Post #7
Tubing when Surface fishing.. they winding you up...

Someone on the committee got shares in a plastics moulding company or something...

There be banning you for using it when float fishing for Silvers next..

I see from your profile your from the kent area Glen. Think I no what club your a member of. Especially when you said the Rigmarole wired tubing is banned aswell. Apparently the wire in it can unravel leading to tethered fish.. This same club at one point also banned Unhooking mats and umbrellas..

In reply to Post #12
It's their rules at the end of day so no choice really, I don't surface fish there anyway far too many ducks and seagulls. I'll knock the chods on the head when I'm back on there and try and get another spot going before they start spawning. I don't think I'll be rejoining next year , I've caught most of the fish from there over the years anyway, there is just one that I really want to get before I leave.

In reply to Post #13
Lead clip with tubing above, Stiff Hinge Rig. You'll still catch em mate.

In reply to Post #14
I use ronnies for 99 percent of my fishing there and they work well. I only had a chod on one rod to fish a weedy corner and had a bead set around 3 feet. I'll give it a try but not too confident it will be presented. I never thought id ever get banned using a naked chod though, it's hardly a death rig.

In reply to Post #15
Set your Ronnie up helicopter style on the tubing. A large bore ESP bead with the larger side hole on the very end of the tubing. The helicopter/Ronnie will fly up to that top bead and settle well over anything. Use 35lb coated braid unstripped as the boom. That will still present well in weed. Or just do the same with your chod section on that tubing

Just superglue the bottom of the tubing into a tail rubber that goes right down and is wedged onto you leads swivel, so that tubing cannot under any circumstances come free. Because of what I mentioned earlier that could happen if that rides up the line.

You are completely right. It's not a death rig, it's one of the safest rigs you can use.

In reply to Post #16
Sounds like a good idea but they will probably ban me for gluing it on lol

In reply to Post #17
Yeah, you're probably correct going on everything else you have said. Probably time to accept that your fishing there is never going to be enjoyable if you are catching anything. Unfortunately that's the way sometimes. If you are blanking you will get no problems and no one will care. If you are catching plenty.... Suddenly all the stupidity that can be mustered will be applied. You see how I already knew you were doing well on the venue when your problems started? No coincidence.

Not sure where you fish, but Kells said you were Kent. DDAPs are a great club. Try and get yourself into there if you can. They have some excellent waters, even one with a growing 60+ in it with plenty of 40's to go at.

My friend Lee runs it. They have venues all over Kent and are an excellent club.

In reply to Post #18
I definitely try that club next year I'm done with this one.

In reply to Post #6
So would you of banned someone foe life.

Fussy bailiffs have told me to desist using rigmarole free fall because of its braid exterior. I guess I wasn't fishing successfully because I didn't get a ban.

In reply to Post #20
With some bailiffs it would of been worse than that. Some would have you pulted to death with Cell boilies in the car park as a warning to the others....

In reply to Post #21
You can't win mate. My club banned it because of the metal inner.

In reply to Post #23
I tried making up the chod with tungsten tubing the bailiffs suggested and its rubbish. I think ill give up on that idea and just go back to ronnies.

Are these ban happy clubs run by a committee of matchmen and their seedless grape IQ's ?

In reply to Post #23
I don't think my lot were smart enough to realise it had a metal interior

In reply to Post #25
Mine is

In reply to Post #20
Absolutely not, I'd have done exactly what they did.
In ten years of owning a lake I've only ever banned two members mid season and the other members were delighted I did.
Chods aren't allowed on Savay and I know some of the guys were using lead clips with a length of flexible braid as long as required (sometimes really long) and a chod section on the business end.

I use a naked chod and i have 7 inches of tubing between the lead and the line saver bead.

In reply to Post #28
How do you know Chods are banned on Savay?

In reply to Post #1
Sometimes just need to think outside the box
Don't use tungsten tubing
You could use something like esp silicone tubing as they do it in various sizes

https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwj8g6qwq92MAxWnl1AGHa1fAgYYABAjGgJkZw&co=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqv2_BhC0ARIsAFb5Ac_bzVQ1Bdy4qdANz5AqgcJuDrVs7vBuSLDTHBgKY_OnnGY0NSF6DPIaAv4HEALw_wcB&cce=1&sig=AOD64_3NPCmygOAuVIHp82vAWyAefW0GJw&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjJjqWwq92MAxVEVUEAHXiKA0UQ5bgDKAB6BAgIECY&adurl=

Just need to straighten it first by hanging it
At least it will get you closer to naked tubing and not add the weight
Buy a pole threading to help get the line through

https://www.anglingdirect.co.uk/nufish-pole-elastic-threader-3m?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD_NdB6YEsP6xZ-eBgLIFq31O0lsT&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqv2_BhC0ARIsAFb5Ac9O9wDzZG9dD8tVE4pslDT94erUaNgiRnHvj4AIIy8tvuujLiYPj-4aAjuREALw_wcB

Or hire a brass for the night to suck the line through the tubing 🤣🤣


Then Add a no trace bead gizmo.


Years ago we used to use plastic tubing like the sea fishing booms as it was all that was around.
Things can be refined a bit now

In reply to Post #30
Because I was told when I was there that you had to use a lead clip.

Whatever we think of the lake rules (and there are some corkers) you have to weigh up the crime vs the time. Some waters I have fished I dread any bailiff visits.

I would look for a creative way especially with chods - why anyone wants a top bead is a bit beyond me, even the proper ones can fail so doing one on tubing and being safe is a big ask.
I'd use the nano tubing and pva tape if you want a stop - if short chucks I wouldn't bother, the rig on a big eyed swivel will fly back up to being naked but on the take slide back onto the tubing to protect the flank of the fish. The top stop (cheap float type stop that slides) can be up the line with a free running bead.

I get the frustration at rules but waters (especially clubs) have to set them at the lowest intelligence. They don't want lead core or leaders (as set badly they are a death trap) they think line under tension will damage and lift scales so protect the stocks best they can. It's a shame but no different different to many walks of life in this mamby Pamby society.

Nash do some tungsten beads for tubing - they seem just about perfect for holding a Heli on the Korda standard dark matter tubing, unless you're really giving it the beans, in which case some PVA tape will temporarily hold the top bead for the cast.

LINKY POO™ https://www.total-fishing-tackle.com/nash-tungsten-tubing-bead?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADrAetrWlq3neyeOx_hWx69fPknJS&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8cHABhC-ARIsAJnY12z4EdNS9aef5pXJB5m5TTSWO7EMPH0-WES5JS7izTLXNba5kG6oKmAaAkdjEALw_wcB

Chods are banned on my syndicate, and heli's have only relatively recently been allowed so long as you use Heli-safe's and these Nash beads on the mandatory tubing. Have to admit its a bit of a compromise IMHO, and a bit of a pain threading tubing - but I manage to thread about 1.5m of tubing.

There's a few tricks to making it easy(er) the thread longer lengths of tubing, but occasionally it just wont go. Cleaning and stretching your line and straightening it first off, with a clean angled cut is a must. Fresh/new tubing only - more often than not, once its been used I always have problems threading anything longer than 50cm. Save the used stuff for shorter lengths of tubing. Straighten the tubing as well, dont stretch it too much or it'll narrow the bore. Let it hang down and thread it downwards, a light weight on the end of the tubing, just enough to straighten it, but not stretch it helps too. Sometimes when it does get stuck, you can try the pinch and stretch method, pinch the tubing where you think the end is (you can usually feel the difference between where its not made it, to where there is line inside, lightly hold the other end and stretch the tubing a little, then grip the other end tightly and release the other end - should push it through further and the tube strinks back, and repeat until it makes it all the way through. Dont stretch the tungsten stuff too much as its more brittle than the non tungsten stuff and can snap if you stretch too far, but you should get a cm or two each iteration.

Ive always preferred Heli to lead clip so works for me - cant see why the same wouldnt work for a Chod.

Ive never really pressed for why Chods are banned - this is the second syndicate where they are, and I assume its because they're usually fished naked, but with the above setup it works and AFAIK as safe as any other rig. What I do find a little odd though, you can still use a stiff hinge, even with a short boom, but cant use a Chod ?

Still - never been one to break the rules - especially when its such a special venue, and there's plenty of other options that work equally well.

In reply to Post #34
What I do find a little odd though, you can still use a stiff hinge, even with a short boom, but cant use a Chod ?

It is odd mate. I fish my chods on a tiny boom to help with movement anyway but what's the difference?

Come on guys... unless I've missed it somewhere ... use tubing below the chod rig, thread as much as stated in the rules then put choddy on top of it

In reply to Post #36
I currently use 7 inches as no lengths are stated by the club. Was on a YouTube video but can't remember the anglers name. Worked fine for me in France last year.