CarpForum.co.uk brand mark, a blue stylized fish with a white eye and a smooth modern look, set in the site header against a clean background CarpForum.co.uk wordmark in a bold flowing script style, reading CarpForum.co.uk, displayed in the site header
Menu
Utils
Go Premium Who's Online Members Weather Venues Photo Gallery Articles Events calendar
Account
Login Register
Leader ban heli solution (18 posts / 3,269 views)
spodrod spodrod
Posts: 405
Post #1 30 Jul 2023 13:49
0
hi i want to use rigmarole tubing (leader banned on this lake) with the Korda helisafe tubing kit and tie the whole thing up before i leave the house x3 so that i can just loop them on when i get to the lake ... which 'leader' would you use in this situation - regular mono/fluorocarbon? guess it doesnt really matter too much does it
connorhcarper connorhcarper
Posts: 286
Post #2 30 Jul 2023 22:59
0
wouldn't you just use your mainline through the tubing?
spodrod spodrod
Posts: 405
Post #3 31 Jul 2023 06:01
0
In reply to Post #2
If they're on a leader you can take them off/put them on easily. The tubing heli components are very fiddly
ip100 ip100
Posts: 12,496
Post #4 31 Jul 2023 07:15
0
In reply to Post #1
If leaders are banned then surely you can't do this without breaking the rules?
chanmenie
Posts: 1,877
Post #5 31 Jul 2023 08:17
0
In reply to Post #4
My thoughts exactly, a leader inside tubing is still a leader
scaley&dark
Posts: 5,567
Post #6 31 Jul 2023 11:39
2
In reply to Post #1
If you value you ticket, I wouldn't cast that out. You say that leaders are banned on this lake.
as per posts 4 & 5.
IMHO Any loop or knot connection BEFORE the hooklink swivel would be classed as a leader.

It has to be mainline straight through only.

Beyonce
Posts: 1,711
Post #7 31 Jul 2023 12:24
0
loop knot above the tubing would also mean that the tubing cannot pass the knot if the mainline parted, negating the safety aspect of tubing over something like leadcore
spodrod spodrod
Posts: 405
Post #8 31 Jul 2023 14:25
0
thanks for the replies - you're right in what you say - i thought the knot would easily pass through the rigmarole tubing but let me check that
chanmenie
Posts: 1,877
Post #9 31 Jul 2023 20:11
0
In reply to Post #8
You certainly won't get a knot to pass through rigmarole braided tubing,
BRB BRB
Posts: 1,423
Post #10 31 Jul 2023 20:25
0
In reply to Post #9
Any reason why you can't leave the rig morale tubing and heli kit on your rods once set up.
framey framey
Posts: 5,324
Post #11 31 Jul 2023 20:30
0
In reply to Post #8

Your question was about using a helicopter set up so does the hook section swivel pass over the knot ?

Personally though with tubing I wouldn't bother setting it up with knots.
spodrod spodrod
Posts: 405
Post #12 31 Jul 2023 21:21
0
In reply to Post #11
yeah good point so technically its not really a leader then ... just an extension of the mainline, the knot is never going need to go through the tubing if it snaps off.. safe as houses
spodrod spodrod
Posts: 405
Post #13 31 Jul 2023 21:27
0
In reply to Post #6
i'll tie it straight through just in case .. thanks for the feedback
framey framey
Posts: 5,324
Post #14 31 Jul 2023 21:37
0
In reply to Post #12
As a definition it is classed as a leader as you are joining a line to the mainline

I think you are over complicating it by knot to knot anyway
Be interesting to see if match anglers are loop to loop method feeders 😉
If there are any on the water...
spodrod spodrod
Posts: 405
Post #15 31 Jul 2023 21:39
0
In reply to Post #14
ok cheers
scozza
Posts: 18,426
Post #16 2 Aug 2023 17:09
1
In reply to Post #1
1 to 2 inch of lead core or lead free, not a leader as such but a rubbing section for the swivel, run it by the bailiff
spodrod spodrod
Posts: 405
Post #17 3 Aug 2023 21:57
0
if there is anything more fiddly than trying to set up the korda heli tubing kit on rig marole tubing i'd like to know what it is... jesus
jimimak jimimak
Posts: 1,762
Post #18 8 Aug 2023 14:46
1
In reply to Post #1
I also fish a couple of waters with leader bans, and so use rig tubing. No huge preference but currently using Korda dark matter. I tend to use at least 1m of rig tubing, mainly because I use various rigs, but mainly lead-clip, heli, running rig or PVA bags.

If like me, your issue is mainly down to threading your mainline through the rig tubing, then what I usually do when switching between rig types is to just slide the tubing up my mainline a little, then tie a figure of 8 loop knot to stop the rig tubing sliding off the mainline. I often put my rods away like that in the sleeve with just the tubing on the mainline, unless I know I'll be using the same rig next session, or if I'm fishing PVA bags. Also easier to switch reels between rods that way too.

Obviously if Im using lead clip, running rig or a heli (usually Korda's heli-safe with the rig tubing top bit), then I just tie them on, takes less than 30 seconds for a nice grinner knot - a little bit of faf with the heli-safes, but once you've done it a few times its easily a 30 second job. Korda do some beads for use on rig tubing, but they rely on some silicon tubing, which can be a PITA getting up the rig tubing without splitting it - Nash do some beads designed for rig tubing too - but the Korda ones just look safer to me as they can drop off rather than relying on the beed to slide off, so I prefer using the Korda ones.

For PVA bags, I switch between two setups depending on availability of leads - both with rig tubing. One uses the Thinking Angler stalks with the drop off leads with a slot in, the other, I make up myself with a 6" long length of lead-free leader material setup with an inline lead but in drop-off mode (not through the lead. I prefer the stalks but often find the leads with slots in are out of stock, so then use my own drop off setup with lead-free leader. I don't use loop to loop for this, again I just tie either on with a grinner as it makes for a cleaner setup. Then slide the rig tubing down to the grinner knot, and use either a shortish 2mm piece of silicon tubing over the knot/tubing/stalk or a cut-down Korda long anti-tangle sleeve.

Not quite as easy as a loop-to-loop, but I believe its safer - but happy to listen to others that think otherwise ?
Reading ALL pages
Are you sure?

This action cannot be undone.

Yes, continue

Loading…