Only recently started messing with this rig (based on the hookchange convenience and stiff boom presentation benefits) and have settled on the 'D Rig' variant being a previous 'whipped IQ D' user for most of my previous rig use.
Never had hookhold problems with bigger fish on my main water however dropped a couple of fish yesterday using an 'original' ronnie (hook bead with rig ring direct to hook) with my 10' rods on a smaller dayticket water and using a scaled down set up - ie size 10 micro barbed muggas with an 8mm pop up.
These were smaller fish (mid doubles) and admittedly maybe they were feeding tentatively (ice had only just thawed etc) however on both occasions the fish were dropped on a tight line half way through the fight - the two fish I did land were nailed through the bottom lip as expected.
Anyone else had this issue? Should it remain a big fish only rig?
Never had hookhold problems with bigger fish on my main water however dropped a couple of fish yesterday using an 'original' ronnie (hook bead with rig ring direct to hook) with my 10' rods on a smaller dayticket water and using a scaled down set up - ie size 10 micro barbed muggas with an 8mm pop up.
These were smaller fish (mid doubles) and admittedly maybe they were feeding tentatively (ice had only just thawed etc) however on both occasions the fish were dropped on a tight line half way through the fight - the two fish I did land were nailed through the bottom lip as expected.
Anyone else had this issue? Should it remain a big fish only rig?
In reply to Post #1
I've never had this issue with the Ronnie, in fact, I can't recall ever losing any fish on it. Admittedly, I've never really scaled it down for really small baits, I use a 12 or 13mm on a size 6 Mugga, and have had fish from about 4lb up to > 20lb.
I've never had this issue with the Ronnie, in fact, I can't recall ever losing any fish on it. Admittedly, I've never really scaled it down for really small baits, I use a 12 or 13mm on a size 6 Mugga, and have had fish from about 4lb up to > 20lb.
In reply to Post #2
That's my point in that my usual 'D Rig Ronnie' (Mugga Size 4 with D Rig kicker / Crimped Boom / Tungsten anti tangle sleeve) and larger baits has never failed with bigger fish (25+) - however this scaled down variant albeit without D Rig kicker did . . .did drop the boom down to 15lb however maybe this itself (a stiff boom) is affecting the mechanics and with smaller hooks / baits? Maybe a supple coated braid might work a little better?
That's my point in that my usual 'D Rig Ronnie' (Mugga Size 4 with D Rig kicker / Crimped Boom / Tungsten anti tangle sleeve) and larger baits has never failed with bigger fish (25+) - however this scaled down variant albeit without D Rig kicker did . . .did drop the boom down to 15lb however maybe this itself (a stiff boom) is affecting the mechanics and with smaller hooks / baits? Maybe a supple coated braid might work a little better?
In reply to Post #3
I think big fish are just clumsier feeders than smaller ones. They have a bigger blind spot when feeding for a start. That's why a 3 inch hinged stiff rig catches big fish and not so many smaller ones I've caught loads of big roach on a size 8 hook and 15mm boilie on a braid hook length. Not on a stiff hinged rig.
I think big fish are just clumsier feeders than smaller ones. They have a bigger blind spot when feeding for a start. That's why a 3 inch hinged stiff rig catches big fish and not so many smaller ones I've caught loads of big roach on a size 8 hook and 15mm boilie on a braid hook length. Not on a stiff hinged rig.
I started using the Ronnie around 18 months ago, truthfully these days if I use a pop up I have full confidence in it. I have dropped one fish on that rig in that that time, the waters I'm on are barbless so who knows whether it was the rig or the hook, or just one of those things
In reply to Post #1
A Ronnie is a big hook rig for me.
Size 6 or bigger... Still need to drop one one.
Using 10ft rods, nylon line, semi stiff coated hooklink, mugga hook and a micro ring swive' on the hook.
In addition, I've got no good experience with small curve shank books (size 10) . Had a lot of hookpulls 5years ago when i scaled down my rigs
A Ronnie is a big hook rig for me.
Size 6 or bigger... Still need to drop one one.
Using 10ft rods, nylon line, semi stiff coated hooklink, mugga hook and a micro ring swive' on the hook.
In addition, I've got no good experience with small curve shank books (size 10) . Had a lot of hookpulls 5years ago when i scaled down my rigs
regardless of size of bait,aslong as the hookbait is holding the weight of the hook up and everything is sitting perfect,use the biggest hook you can...size 4 muggas I use.
I dont see the need to scale down as the way this hook sits its covered by the bait.
bigger the better.
I dont see the need to scale down as the way this hook sits its covered by the bait.
bigger the better.
I tried the Ronnie a few years back, even got the mugga hooks, as so many spoke highly of them. Lost my first two fish, so switched back to my faithful combo rig, but still tied with a mugga. Lost my third fish.
I've never fished a Ronnie or used a mugga since.
Think I've lost 3 fish in the 3 years since then.
Edited to add, my fishing buddy, who's success put me onto the Ronnie, doesn't lose many fish.
I've never fished a Ronnie or used a mugga since.
Think I've lost 3 fish in the 3 years since then.
Edited to add, my fishing buddy, who's success put me onto the Ronnie, doesn't lose many fish.
In reply to Post #1
Have you considered the test curve of the rods you are you using? Heard this before with regards to bumping fish and particularly fish under 20lb mark.
Have you considered the test curve of the rods you are you using? Heard this before with regards to bumping fish and particularly fish under 20lb mark.
In reply to Post #9
That's a good point. Many years ago my fishing buddy got some new fast taoer rods and was bumping fish all the time. I had more through taper rods and never lost a fish. Mind you it did take a bit longer to land them.
That's a good point. Many years ago my fishing buddy got some new fast taoer rods and was bumping fish all the time. I had more through taper rods and never lost a fish. Mind you it did take a bit longer to land them.
In reply to Post #10
I think its definetely a big thing to consider particularly with these shorter, higher test curve rods that are all the rage now. Mid double fish usually fight hard and erratic where a softer rod is needed to absorb them. Ive seen it before and the 1st port of call is always the rigs without considering the rods.
I think its definetely a big thing to consider particularly with these shorter, higher test curve rods that are all the rage now. Mid double fish usually fight hard and erratic where a softer rod is needed to absorb them. Ive seen it before and the 1st port of call is always the rigs without considering the rods.
In reply to Post #1
I use size 4 muggas for almost everything (multi rig and the occasional gernan or slip D) and very very rarely bump fish
Tried the ronnie as it suited the situation slightly better. Had 2 takes over my next 3 sessions (not a particularly easy water) and lost both
Tried the ronnie again on a local runs water (low doubles to mid 20s) bumped another 3 or 4 (probably landed the same number) despite using big hooks and small baits
I wont use it again but a good mate of mine does ok on it (he still loses a few and managed to blag an upper 40 that was hooked in the top lip)
I use size 4 muggas for almost everything (multi rig and the occasional gernan or slip D) and very very rarely bump fish
Tried the ronnie as it suited the situation slightly better. Had 2 takes over my next 3 sessions (not a particularly easy water) and lost both
Tried the ronnie again on a local runs water (low doubles to mid 20s) bumped another 3 or 4 (probably landed the same number) despite using big hooks and small baits
I wont use it again but a good mate of mine does ok on it (he still loses a few and managed to blag an upper 40 that was hooked in the top lip)
In reply to Post #11
I think this is a fair point - my 10' set up is relatively new to me (have been a die hard 12/13' man for all my other fishing) and they are 3.25 so playing a fish is a slightly different proposition albeit I am already used to the action / characteristics. Agree it could be this inconjunction with the rig (and aggressive nature of sub 20 torpedo commons) thats the real issue. Going to fish two on the spot with different rigs next visit and see if that makes a difference - ye olde coated braid combi rig will be making a return!
As for muggas will never change these - absolute confidence hooks IMO
I think this is a fair point - my 10' set up is relatively new to me (have been a die hard 12/13' man for all my other fishing) and they are 3.25 so playing a fish is a slightly different proposition albeit I am already used to the action / characteristics. Agree it could be this inconjunction with the rig (and aggressive nature of sub 20 torpedo commons) thats the real issue. Going to fish two on the spot with different rigs next visit and see if that makes a difference - ye olde coated braid combi rig will be making a return!
As for muggas will never change these - absolute confidence hooks IMO
In reply to Post #13
I generally fish a rig for the situation,if conditions allow my first choice go to rig is a flouro d rig with a wafter, after that for very low lying weed it will a ronnie on a stiff boom with the top bead on the heli set up slid up according,heavier weed it's a semi stiff coated hooklength ronnie style, top bead adjusted accordingly. all with size 4 muggas.
I generally fish a rig for the situation,if conditions allow my first choice go to rig is a flouro d rig with a wafter, after that for very low lying weed it will a ronnie on a stiff boom with the top bead on the heli set up slid up according,heavier weed it's a semi stiff coated hooklength ronnie style, top bead adjusted accordingly. all with size 4 muggas.
In reply to Post #1
I occasionally fish a runs water with fish upto 20lb and generally use fine lines, 8lb mainline and mono links and land most fish and a fair few more compared to other carp anglers that fish stiff hook links / ronnies. The reason being is what someone alluded to earlier is that smaller fish on runs type waters are much more riggy than a 25lb+ carp on a low stocked gravel pit.
I occasionally fish a runs water with fish upto 20lb and generally use fine lines, 8lb mainline and mono links and land most fish and a fair few more compared to other carp anglers that fish stiff hook links / ronnies. The reason being is what someone alluded to earlier is that smaller fish on runs type waters are much more riggy than a 25lb+ carp on a low stocked gravel pit.
In reply to Post #13
The shorter, high tc rods are definately more suseptable to bumping fish, if you used a 12 ft 2.75tc rod I doubt very much you would lose the fish. See it all the time people way over gunned for the fishing situation. I think with a bigger hook you can kind of get away with it but soon as you drop hook size its less forgiving. Its all about getting the right balanced set up as a whole......not just the rig.
The thing is a set of 12ft 2.75tc just dont look as trendy as a set of broom handle short rods and i think alot of people go for fashion over function more often than not nowadays.
The shorter, high tc rods are definately more suseptable to bumping fish, if you used a 12 ft 2.75tc rod I doubt very much you would lose the fish. See it all the time people way over gunned for the fishing situation. I think with a bigger hook you can kind of get away with it but soon as you drop hook size its less forgiving. Its all about getting the right balanced set up as a whole......not just the rig.
The thing is a set of 12ft 2.75tc just dont look as trendy as a set of broom handle short rods and i think alot of people go for fashion over function more often than not nowadays.
In reply to Post #16
Agree - weirdly assumed my 10' CTX were the 2.75 variants (the tc is unmarked and they were falsely advertised) when I bought them however after casting them a few times it was clear they had a bit more poke - tbf they're not broomhandles and are actually a versatile tool however they def don't have the tip section of a 12' . . .thing is the set up was getting 'bites' (in its micro form) so maybe a slight rethink is required in terms of the getting the best balance as you rightly state . .
Agree - weirdly assumed my 10' CTX were the 2.75 variants (the tc is unmarked and they were falsely advertised) when I bought them however after casting them a few times it was clear they had a bit more poke - tbf they're not broomhandles and are actually a versatile tool however they def don't have the tip section of a 12' . . .thing is the set up was getting 'bites' (in its micro form) so maybe a slight rethink is required in terms of the getting the best balance as you rightly state . .
I doubt a size 10 hook was ever considered when this rig was conceived. Seems simple to me, if you want to use the rig use a bigger hook. If you want to use a smaller hook use a different rig.
In reply to Post #1
Sounds like you're trying to use the rig for something other than what it was invented for. I'd personally test that on a runs water in spring or summer, not in winter. For me personally, it is a small bait rig - anything over 16mm reduces hookholds, but I can imagine there's also a limit to how small you can go.
Could be smart to look at some other things before blaming it on the rig itself. Length of your hooklink in winter, how your hookbait is balanced, the amount of putty and where you place it, the position of the hook bead, the use of shrink tube and the angle in which you set it. Even the swivels, baits screws and link loops can make a big difference, especially when they're originally sold to put on a size 4 or 2. I've seen plenty of people asking for feedback online, and most were seemed to be a thing or two wrong.
Sounds like you're trying to use the rig for something other than what it was invented for. I'd personally test that on a runs water in spring or summer, not in winter. For me personally, it is a small bait rig - anything over 16mm reduces hookholds, but I can imagine there's also a limit to how small you can go.
Could be smart to look at some other things before blaming it on the rig itself. Length of your hooklink in winter, how your hookbait is balanced, the amount of putty and where you place it, the position of the hook bead, the use of shrink tube and the angle in which you set it. Even the swivels, baits screws and link loops can make a big difference, especially when they're originally sold to put on a size 4 or 2. I've seen plenty of people asking for feedback online, and most were seemed to be a thing or two wrong.
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