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German or D rig (22 posts / 5,646 views)
Currymuncher
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Post #1 30 Dec 2022 17:12
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Hi, what would be the better rig using a balanced boilie ?
OatcakeFred OatcakeFred
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Post #2 30 Dec 2022 19:49
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In reply to Post #1
German for me, my goto rig.
Spike Spike
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Post #3 30 Dec 2022 20:51
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They all work mate. Slip D , German rig and so on. Aslong as you set them up correct they'll all catch you fish it's just a confidence thing.
BillsBankLife BillsBankLife
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Post #4 31 Dec 2022 14:22
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agree with tranter mate , they all work its just down to confidence . start with the german rig for simplicity and see how you go. have had many good result on the german with semi stiff braid and a big mugga hook and a little mesh bag. so simple but very effective.
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #5 31 Dec 2022 18:19
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German rig for me,esp tungsten semi stiff and a Mugga hook.I love how quick and easy to tie it is and it nails them
Baitman Baitman
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Post #6 31 Dec 2022 23:24
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Is the German rig just bottom baits and wafters?

Does anyone fish pop ups on them and if so how do you counter balance them.
Spike Spike
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Post #7 31 Dec 2022 23:53
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In reply to Post #6
That's basically a Ronnie rig.
Grexory Grexory
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Post #8 1 Jan 2023 00:30
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In reply to Post #5
Absolutely,

One of my favourite rigs, super simple - and balances perfectly with a mugga + wafter, or slow-sinking plastic corn.
Busted
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Post #9 2 Jan 2023 08:43
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Nothing like a ronnie

A German rig is just a hook knotless knotted to fluro or a semi stiff braid with a micro swivel and hookbead on the shank

Re pop ups, it wont work as it is but put a break in the hooklink like you might with a multi rig and it will work fine. Putty with a bit of wire to hold it on or a split shot to balance it
Spike Spike
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Post #10 2 Jan 2023 10:37
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So isn't that a Ronnie rig with just a quick change swivel added in ? Put a break in the material and a sinker of some sort it's like a Ronnie.

I wouldn't use it like that personally but it's very similar but not what it was designed for.
Baitman Baitman
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Post #11 2 Jan 2023 11:20
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I use amnesia for my boom on ronnie rigs, so unlike a coated braid it's not an easy tweak to strip a bit out to make a hinge.

Do any of you still add a tungsten counter weight on your German rig to aid hooking/prevent ejection.
I have used ronnies with the tungsten on for bottom baits and its done OK, but fancy trying a German to see if it will work any better.
BillsBankLife BillsBankLife
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Post #12 2 Jan 2023 12:12
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Yes mate i think a big bit of tungsten putty around 1inch up from the hook eye is key to getting them nailed.

i use esp semi stiff , size 4 mugga and always a wafter bait with it , small mesh bag of micro pellet or crumb.
OatcakeFred OatcakeFred
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Post #13 2 Jan 2023 15:02
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Likewise, I use a shot one inch from the hook, size 4 Mugga and a wafter. Can't remember the last time I lost a fish, always nailed. 👍
mark1009
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Post #14 2 Jan 2023 16:36
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How big a shot do you use?
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #15 2 Jan 2023 16:43
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I tend to use a D-rig for pop-ups and snowman baits.


If using a pop-up on coated braid, match anglers olivettes make a perfect counterbalance, and don't come with carp tax. If you have a short hooklink section as on a hinged stiff rig, then balance it to the mini swivel with putty.

To be honest, any rig can be balanced for wafters, pop-ups, but much of it is rig fashion.

This is my personal view, but a Ronnie rig works best with a pop-up whereas a D-rig is more suitable for bottom baits, balanced baits and pop-ups.

You could just as easily use a blowback rig with a ring on the shank, or even just a standard sliding ring, (which I was doing years before it was renamed German rig, and was called the Sliding rig in Rob Maylins book Carp back around 1990).
OatcakeFred OatcakeFred
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Post #16 2 Jan 2023 19:12
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In reply to Post #14
I use a BB shot.
mark1009
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Post #17 2 Jan 2023 19:18
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Thanks.
Busted
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Post #18 2 Jan 2023 21:50
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Sort of but it works completely differently as there is no hinge point. A turbo german (can barely bear to write the stupid name) is more similar to a ronne

Tungsten wise, yes, i used a big blob an inch and a half from the hook. Decent rig
Jimmers532
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Post #19 19 Jan 2023 18:45
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Anybody used the German rig quite long say 12 inches ? I want a rig to fish snowman hookbaits over a silty bottom on lead clips, 15mm bottom bait and a 10mm pop up, this looks good and obviously very simple to tie, anybody used it with a snowman ? Just worried about the separation between the hook and bait.
Clobersauraus Clobersauraus
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Post #20 19 Jan 2023 22:10
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Hi Pal,

Ive used the German rig with snowman baits and caught well. I mainly use it with wafters and always get nailed dead centre bottom lip, and good hook holds.

The rig works as its on a stiff boom, so ive never used it over silt, as i think there's better options for these conditions. I was worried the lead would get buried and cause the hook link to sit awkwardly.... But i may be wrong
finbob finbob
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Post #21 20 Jan 2023 09:31
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In reply to Post #20
The D is a fixed loop unless you buy the ready made rubber D's.

German you can remove the hook bead so change to swivel, screw etc so more versatile.

Tie them whatever length- 12-14" in softer silt. Match what the lakebed requires really.
Grexory Grexory
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Post #22 20 Jan 2023 11:38
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In reply to Post #19
Yeah I use the German rig as my main wafter rig, I fish it around 13-14" long, with a 16-18mm wafter.

Hooklink is Gardner Ultraskin super-soft, with a PVA foam nugget on the hook, with a size 4 Mugga.

No leadcore or rig tubing, but around 15ft of Gardner Mirage flurocarbon in 30lb.

I've also caught well on this with a snowman (16mm/12mm)

Had 6x UK forties this season on this exact rig, it's my most confident setup.

I fish longer looklengths with all of my rigs now, with larger fish - I think you sometimes need to give them a bit more rope, due to the amount of suction and current they generate when they're feeding next to your hookbait.
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