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Ronnie rig (77 posts / 9,921 views)
calgaz
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Post #1 1 Nov 2022 19:44
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Was thinking of giving the Ronnie rig a go, typically use the multi rig but a few people have suggested to try the Ronnie, was just wondering what lead system would be best? I normally like to use a lead clip set up would this be appropriate for a Ronnie?
OatcakeFred OatcakeFred
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Post #2 1 Nov 2022 20:20
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In reply to Post #1
That's what I use and it's fine.
BaggyMousers
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Post #3 2 Nov 2022 21:12
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Ive always used it with a helicopter and a stiffish boom material unless it was particularly grubby. I think the rig sits better when you're not fishing on really firm bottoms using a helicopter, and if the bottom is rock hard id rather use an inline and a bottom bait anyway.
Canalcarper71 Canalcarper71
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Post #4 3 Nov 2022 16:45
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I use a ronnie rig in a pva bag on a short rig find it flies in when they having a suck around for the contents of the bag,had a21:12 last year on it from a hard water followed by an 18 from same lake in February this year followed by another 20 from same lake last month.
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #5 3 Nov 2022 17:25
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There is no best lead system for most rigs.

Note that, MOST.

You can use an inline, a semi-fixed lead on a lead clip, a running lead, even an helicopter.

What you have to figure out, and this is down to you yourself, what works best on the waters you fish.

It
BaggyMousers
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Post #6 3 Nov 2022 19:56
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Completely agree. Use whatever lead arrangement suits the situation the best.
Fivenil Fivenil
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Post #7 8 Nov 2022 21:11
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Do people use Ronnie rigs just for pop-ups or are they as effective fished with bottom/snowman setups?
Baitman Baitman
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Post #8 8 Nov 2022 23:54
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In reply to Post #7
If I'm on a clean lake bed I will happily use them with a bottom bait.
Hudson Hudson
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Post #9 9 Nov 2022 11:11
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In reply to Post #7
Google turbo German rig. Basically a bottom bait/wafter version of the Ronnie. It's literally just a Ronnie rig without the ring/loop.
Fivenil Fivenil
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Post #10 9 Nov 2022 11:46
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Managed to whittle down my choices as I currently have Ronnies on a Korda Boom and Germans on a coated braid. Just seeing if others think the Ronnie could be an all-rounder so i can maybe stick to the one rig cos of my OCD!!!
Hudson Hudson
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Post #11 9 Nov 2022 11:57
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In reply to Post #10
Well yes it works. Will a Ronnie work as good as another rig for bottom baits. Maybe not.
Fivenil Fivenil
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Post #12 9 Nov 2022 12:35
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In reply to Post #11
Trial and error i guess!
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #13 9 Nov 2022 15:22
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In reply to Post #10
If you want an all round rig, go back a few years and 'tie' a hook on with a knotless knot.
That one rig can be used for bottom baits, pop-ups, balanced baits, Snowman or wafters.

Make it line aligned and the hooking potential is almost perfick...
Works with all hooklink materials, braid, coated or uncoated, fluorocarbon or mono.
You can then fish that one rig on semi-fixed, lead clips, inlines, running leads or even helicopter-style.

You could even continue the hair back round through the eye and lighter blob it and make a D-rig.


Fivenil Fivenil
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Post #14 9 Nov 2022 15:57
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In reply to Post #13
Been a KD rig user for many a year but finally thought it was time to upgrade and try something else.
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #15 9 Nov 2022 18:34
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In reply to Post #14

Been a KD rig user for many a year but finally thought it was time to upgrade and try something else.


I have been using that knotless knot rig for 20 years plus.
It still works!

Occasionally I use something different when I'm sure I'm being 'done', but most fish still come to the basic line aligned knotless knot rig.

Many rigs are fashion to sell tackle, magazines or gain interest on social media.

Look at your fishing, if it still works, stick with it. Don't change just for the sake of change.

I have a simple theory in fishing that works for me:

If I'm hooking and landing fish hooked dead centre of the lip, the hair is right.
If I'm losing fish, or hooking them at the edge of the mouth, lengthen the hair.
If I'm getting fish hooked deeply in the mouth, towards the throat, the hair is too long.

Now don't get me wrong, there are times when you need to change what you are doing and experiment.
On a water, if everyone is doing the same, be different.
Fivenil Fivenil
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Post #17 9 Nov 2022 19:18
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In reply to Post #15
That's pretty much what I'm doing, experimenting. I know the KD is a fail safe rig but I always wonder how many times I could be missing bites. Will see how it goes and if I don't see an improvement I'll be back on the ever faithfuls!
carpe_diem carpe_diem
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Post #18 9 Nov 2022 19:41
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In reply to Post #1
Personally I would use a helicopter lead system when using a Ronnie on a stiff boom as it definitely would present better on all bottom scenarios , you may get away with a lead clip system on some bottom areas but I would be paranoid about the boom sticking up if the lead buried slightly into the bottom
Mji1994 Mji1994
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Post #19 12 Nov 2022 18:29
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I use the Ronnie rig on a helicopter setup with Korda boom I feel the helicopter lets the stiff material sit well. I use a curve shank hook for pop ups with Ronnie and switch to a wide gape hook for balance baits and bottom baits, I also use the esp Ronnie clips as this lets you change out the swivel and hook quickly and I feel give the rig a hinge that helps. The other rig I use is a version of the multirig that can be used with bottom baits, balanced baits and pop ups there is a video on youtube under “go to rig mike holly”. Both allow the hooks to be changed without wasting hooklink material and both have been giving me perfect hook holds, no lost fish and can be used with all hookbaits like you asked for.
Busted
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Post #20 19 Nov 2022 19:48
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In reply to Post #1
Anyone who tells you to use a ronnie over a multi rig is either an idiot or have never used a multi rig properly
Hudson Hudson
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Post #21 19 Nov 2022 22:29
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In reply to Post #20
The main reason I'm not a fan of the multi rig is being done and it not resetting properly having the hook pulled up. For this reason I will never use the multi.
nicky_napkins nicky_napkins
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Post #22 20 Nov 2022 01:34
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oh dear... a muti rig is sooo much better, it's worth the risk as you will get more bites.
it is simple to make, doesn't have all those metal bits and it hooks better if you set it up correctly..
Just dismissing it because it because it might not be able to reset after being pulled hard is not a good idea..

Hudson Hudson
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Post #23 20 Nov 2022 09:40
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Lol.

What's so much better about it?

Sounds like a comment that hasn't really been thought about.

The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #24 20 Nov 2022 15:29
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There's a good chance the author of that comment was on his way home from the pub when it was sent, downer kebab in hand
The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #25 20 Nov 2022 15:30
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Ah yes, the old “everyone is entitled to an opinion, but anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot” stance
Busted
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Post #26 20 Nov 2022 21:15
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Made with sound mind!

The ronnie was created so that tackle companies can flog you as many pointless components as possible

I have tried the ronnie on runs waters probably 10 ish times. I have only had 1 properly hooked fish. Others have been hooked in the top lip, double hooked, have been in the corner and have torn a fair bit or have come off. This is with size 4 mugga or size 5 trighammers

I have used the multi rig in various guises for about 10 years and have had literally hundreds of fish on it to 46 in the uk and 68 abroad. I use it for pop ups, wafters or bottom baits, rarely drop fish and it is made of only 3 components.

Yes this is my experience but for me, the ronnie has proven to be rubbish. Even a good friend of mine who swore by it for a couple of seasons has stopped using it because he is tired of dropping fish which on the lakecwe are fishing is not something that you can tolerate
Jimmers532
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Post #27 20 Nov 2022 21:58
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In reply to Post #26
Completely disagree, but I'd have wrote the exact same paragraph 2 years ago, till a mate convinced me to give the Ronnie a try after he terminated places on it, I used the multi for around 10 years and it was great apart from the odd tangle, infact if I'm ever fishing in the edge and using a pop up rig the multi is what I still use. But if I'm using a pop up out in the pond over bait, a Ronnie with a stiff boom on a helicopter has been my go to for the last couple of years, it provides solid hook holds and I very rarely lose fish. I can fish my preferred small pop ups and never get tangles, had the same 2 booms on my rods for the last 3/4 months and they are still perfect, it's just a brilliant rig in my opinion, I was the first person to doubt and ridicule it but I've completely changed my mind, they are both brilliant rigs and definitely a time and place for either, use what your confident in 👍
inzenity inzenity
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Post #28 21 Nov 2022 08:03
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A bit strong how you put it, it isn't that bad , but yeah, i agree. All over the place hooking, pulls and twitches has been my experience with the ronnie. I made a vow to stay clear off it. It all looks very sexy, good theory behind it as well, but in practice it has performed pathetic in comparison to my usual combi type rig. And believe me, i've tried to make it work as advertised
Hudson Hudson
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Post #29 21 Nov 2022 08:42
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In reply to Post #26
The Ronnie rig wasn't created by a tackle company......just pushed by them.

Hooking wise. A Ronnie rig works in exactly the same way as a multi rig. It's just a slightly smaller “aligner” and the multi works in the same way as a Chod/stiff hinge but again slightly smaller it tied conventionally.

The multi is super easy to change a hook but has the MASSIVE downside that if it gets picked up and discarded (which happens a lot more than we think) it is then set at a completely different angle. Essentially a different rig. Yes that can still hook carp which it does. But it's not as effective and not as intended.

As for ronnies being bad hookers. I think that's much more dependant on the way the fish are feeding, I must have been fishing for fish that compliment the Ronnie as haven't had more than a few hook pulls, I can only remember 2. The mechanics are sound on both rigs in the right circumstances.


I would never use a multi rig. It's A confidence thing as I know much better anglers than me use and catch on them.
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #30 21 Nov 2022 11:57
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Thing is a Ronnie Rig is essentially a low down to the lakebed pop-up rig, with the advantage of the ability to change the hook with minimal effort, and in theory resets itself after an aborted or dropped take.

A Multi-rig has the same ability, with the exception of resetting, but can also be fished higher off the lakebed, and can also be used for bottom baits, wafters, critically balanced or snowman baits. Martin Locke fished it as his Kebab rig. Different baits on the hair, or bait spike.

I prefer the Multi-rig for my fishing, but have used the Ronnie Rig, and caught, when I fish it low over bait on harder bottom areas. In silt I don't think it fishes 'right', whereas the Multi-rig seems to cover more bases, because of the possibility of fishing different buoyancy baits for me.
I've caught on that with pop-up baits 50mm off the lakebed, or trimmed down pop-ups low, and with the bottom or snowman baits.
The Multi-rig is, I think more versatile, but not always the answer.

Hudson Hudson
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Post #31 21 Nov 2022 13:08
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For me though. I don't need to have a versatile rig.

How much effort is required to change a rig.

I've got 2 pop up rigs, 1 bottom bait/wafter rig and 1 rig I use for small solid bags.

AND let's have it right, who says a Ronnie can't be used for Bottom baits, snowmen and wafters?



#deathofthemultirig
Canalcarper71 Canalcarper71
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Post #32 21 Nov 2022 13:53
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In reply to Post #31
I use Ronnie rigs in bags had a few on the since I started using them
Fivenil Fivenil
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Post #33 22 Nov 2022 08:58
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What hooks do people prefer on a Ronnie? Was in France recently using Size 4 Kranks, landed 2 fish and they both spat the hook once i had netted them.
Cam Cam
MODERATORMOD
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Post #34 22 Nov 2022 12:58
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In reply to Post #33
I use ESP Trig Hammer's for my Ronnie Rigs, usually a size 7 barbed
Jimmers532
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Post #35 22 Nov 2022 14:32
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In reply to Post #33
Size 6 carp spirit short curve for me, always with a 12-13mm pop up.
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #36 22 Nov 2022 15:57
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In reply to Post #31

AND let's have it right, who says a Ronnie can't be used for Bottom baits, snowmen and wafters?


I just don't think that the presentation is right with anything other than a pop-up.
I personally think that it works best for fish that pick up baits, as opposed to fish that suck them up.

If you fish a bottom bait, critically balanced or Snowman, I think that a decent separation between hook and bait, a 'proper' hair to allow the bait to be sucked in.

I agree, it doesn't take much effort to change the rig, either by cutting the hooklink at the knot or the mainline. In fact, probably the same length of time to change a hook on a Ronnie, although admittedly I can change a Multi-rig hook in seconds.

As for hook on a Ronnie, I've been using Gardner Covert Muggas in size 4.
Fivenil Fivenil
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Post #37 24 Nov 2022 12:49
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In reply to Post #36
Found some Korda Curve shanks in my box so just tied a Ronnie using one of them. Looks far more aggressive than the Kranks so should be ok?
ouchthathurt ouchthathurt
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Post #38 26 Nov 2022 20:42
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I fished Ronnies with korda curves for ages mate, never had a problem. Had my best season in a long while fishing that hooking arrangement
Fivenil Fivenil
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Post #39 26 Nov 2022 20:53
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In reply to Post #38
I have actually just removed all kranks and replaced with kurve shanks. Cheers fella.
Grexory Grexory
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Post #40 27 Nov 2022 17:16
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In reply to Post #39
I think the Mugga in size 4 is one of the best patterns for this rig, I've caught loads including fish to 45lb and lost very very few,

To be honest I think the Mugga is one of the best hook patterns of all time, I also use it with bottom baits and wafters on a bunch of different rigs.
Hudson Hudson
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Post #41 27 Nov 2022 21:29
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In reply to Post #40
I second the Mugga for the Ronnie.
sbbaron sbbaron
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Post #42 28 Nov 2022 09:52
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In reply to Post #41
Mugga for me as well but use a size 6.
Hudson Hudson
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Post #43 28 Nov 2022 18:35
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In reply to Post #42
Only a Size 6? What are you trying to catch? Gudgeon?
Grexory Grexory
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Post #44 30 Nov 2022 19:16
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In reply to Post #43
I also think the Mugga is the best pattern for a Ronnie, I normally use a size 4.
Thepaintedman Thepaintedman
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Post #45 1 Dec 2022 13:38
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In reply to Post #33
Carp r Us Predators ever since I had a size 4 mugga open up on me.
Hudson Hudson
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Post #46 1 Dec 2022 14:16
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Really? How? **** knows how hard you must have been pulling, what did you hook into......a double decker?
sbbaron sbbaron
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Post #47 1 Dec 2022 14:21
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Yes mate a 6 had gudgeon upto 49 14 on them
Hudson Hudson
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Post #48 1 Dec 2022 17:35
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Blasphemy
Beyonce
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Post #49 1 Dec 2022 21:14
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I've heard a few people had size 4 Muggas open up on them in the last couple of years. I used to use them in a 6 and they were granite, still have a few packs of the SSH version but I prefer a wider gape these days.

Maybe the shape with that angled bend doesn't suit the larger size vs the same wire gauge. I've always been suspicious of hooks that require a ‘continental' version anyway.
Thepaintedman Thepaintedman
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Post #50 2 Dec 2022 11:18
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In reply to Post #46
I wish I knew what it was!

Got a one toner and as it was heading straight for a large bed so I needed to give it some persuasion then the hook pulled. Wound it in and the gape of the hook had opened enough to come out of the carps mouth.

Had the same thing happen with ESP hooks in the past so only use Carp R Us now and never had a problem.
Jimmers532
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Post #51 2 Dec 2022 11:26
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In reply to Post #49
I had 3 size 6 in a row open up on me so never used them since, I think they are the perfect hook shape wise but just can't trust them, maybe was a dodgy packet because they seem to get rave reviews everywhere.
Spike Spike
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Post #52 2 Dec 2022 13:16
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Hand sharpened wide gapes for me. Had a fantastic year using them and haven't dropped a fish since using wide gapes.
Hudson Hudson
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Post #53 2 Dec 2022 14:26
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In reply to Post #50
Yeah I used to use centurion 2000 hooks from them on a rugged lake. Good hooks 🙌🏼
Hudson Hudson
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Post #54 2 Dec 2022 14:29
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In reply to Post #51
Yeah that's not good. You have to pull pretty hard to bend one out so 3 in a row is a bit questionable to say the least. I'll continue to use them until I either suffer with an issue or fish a lake that requires nothing but the strongest and then I'll use the conti versions
Grexory Grexory
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Post #55 9 Dec 2022 23:52
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In reply to Post #54
As well as the mugga, I sometimes use the PB power curve hooks, they have very fine points, so they really penetrate.

I've never had a mugga open up on me, even when locked up snag fishing with heavy braid,
carpe_diem carpe_diem
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Post #56 10 Dec 2022 12:08
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In reply to Post #55
Same here I've never had a mugga open up on me , had cats to 100lb on them accidentally too
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #57 10 Dec 2022 12:58
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In reply to Post #45
I've never had a Mugga open up on me, and I have used them for fishing snaggy waters with carp to over 30lb.

The only hooks I have ever had open up is Fox series 2, Carp-R-Us Nailers and Kamasan B175's.
The last 2 I gave the fish too much stick, or used too light a pattern for the venue, (B175, my fault), the Nailer was a single incident on Earith.
KenTownley KenTownley
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Post #58 11 Dec 2022 12:13
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About a dozen year back the rigs board was chock-full of posts about the Chod. Now it's all about the Ronnie.

Next fad, please!
Hudson Hudson
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Post #59 11 Dec 2022 20:22
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In reply to Post #58
The next fad is definitely going to be a braid hair rig..........😂
mark1009
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Post #60 11 Dec 2022 20:36
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In reply to Post #59
With multi coloured beads like a Flounder or Plaice rig.
Grexory Grexory
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Post #61 11 Dec 2022 21:46
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In reply to Post #60
I think the type of rig isn't really the issue, it's how you tie it, and a Ronnie is super convenient because you can use it with crimps and swivels, so it's easier to make lots of them all identical.

I prefer it to the 360 as I think the 360 can "go wrong" due to the hook/swivel arrangement
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #62 11 Dec 2022 22:27
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Don't tell, but I used to put multi-coloured beads on a hair.
They are perfect for moulding paste around...
KenTownley KenTownley
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Post #63 12 Dec 2022 11:17
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In reply to Post #62
Way back in the early College days we used to put "luminous" beads ahead of the lead. Whether they were in fact luminescent at 10 feet is open to doubt, but we had loads of carp while using them

I have also tried "Glow in the dark" artificial corn, but never had a take on it.
Vanhorne
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Post #64 12 Dec 2022 17:24
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In reply to Post #62
What was the benefit of using coloured beads covered by paste?
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #65 12 Dec 2022 18:24
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In reply to Post #64
The beads hold the paste on the hair.
Vanhorne
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Post #66 12 Dec 2022 18:40
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In reply to Post #65
I asked why you chose coloured beads.
JasonM JasonM
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Post #67 12 Dec 2022 22:03
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In reply to Post #66
Folk do it a lot in sea fishing to give their bait more attraction - popular approach when fishing for flounder and other flatfish.

I guess the same theory with carp which folk have put into practice and had success 😃
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #68 12 Dec 2022 22:33
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In reply to Post #66
They were handy. Also more visible than black or green if the paste came off
Greybeard54
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Post #69 13 Dec 2022 00:06
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In reply to Post #57
I have used all 3 of those hooks, in fact this year I had a 55lb cat pick up a boilie fished on a carp"R"us nailer and it headed straight for the biggest snag in the lake, I turned it successfully and when netted the hook was embedded just past the barb in the center of the bottom pad, if you know cats, you'll know that's a hard spot, that cat fought like a demon[don't they all] and that hook held its shape perfectly.
Ray called me later that week about another matter and I told him about the landed cat, he has great faith in his hooks, and so do I.
The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #70 15 Dec 2022 18:49
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Is Ray someone we should know?
The-Heff The-Heff
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Post #71 15 Dec 2022 18:52
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I think all hooks have the potential to open out, all depends on so many variables, but it's a piece of thin metal at the end of the day, none are indestructible in the wrong circumstances.

Confidence in that pattern afterwards is a personal thing obviously. But it could just have been bad luck rather than a poor product
NickGordon NickGordon
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Post #72 15 Dec 2022 20:16
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In reply to Post #69
Is Ray someone we should know?



Ray Dale-Smith founder and owner of Carp-R-Us.

Nice guy, met him a few times when he was doing the tackle shop rounds promoting his gear.
chewbakka chewbakka
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Post #73 16 Dec 2022 17:19
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In reply to Post #70
Embarrassing aint it If you dont even know who Ray is your a no one these days....
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #74 17 Dec 2022 20:56
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In reply to Post #72
I thought carp r us went tits up
Clobersauraus Clobersauraus
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Post #75 17 Dec 2022 21:00
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That was toys r us i think
Greybeard54
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Post #76 17 Dec 2022 21:01
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In reply to Post #74
very much alive and I ordered recently and its all good, I use his hooks, never had one fail.
https://www.carprusdirect.com/
Greybeard54
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Post #77 17 Dec 2022 21:01
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classic
braders1978 braders1978
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Post #78 17 Dec 2022 21:16
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Very good,a local shop sold carp r us then suddenly stopped.When I asked why they told me they had folded
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