i want to make up a few solid bags 3 or 4 days prior to my trip will they be ok or will the lose there compactness
In reply to Post #1
They'll probably get tighter. Though bear in mind, in cold water it'll take much longer to melt if there's oil present in the bait inside the bag, especially so for stuff done in advance.
They'll probably get tighter. Though bear in mind, in cold water it'll take much longer to melt if there's oil present in the bait inside the bag, especially so for stuff done in advance.
Buoyancy of hookbait will be affected if you plan on using a balanced/pop up bait. Some use plastics, depends on your rules / ethics
In reply to Post #1
I make 60-80 bags before a 4/5 day session and regularly re-use the same bags several months later. everything is vacuum packed and if you use shelf life, happy days.
I make 60-80 bags before a 4/5 day session and regularly re-use the same bags several months later. everything is vacuum packed and if you use shelf life, happy days.
In reply to Post #4
You must have 60-80 leads then?!
You must have 60-80 leads then?!
In reply to Post #5
£60 to £80 on leads isn't a bad investment in the grand scheme of things, fair play if you can put the time in to be that prepared.
£60 to £80 on leads isn't a bad investment in the grand scheme of things, fair play if you can put the time in to be that prepared.
In reply to Post #6
I have a feeling he means mesh bags but I could be wrong.
I have a feeling he means mesh bags but I could be wrong.
In reply to Post #7
Not sure you can vaccum pack anything in PVA mesh!
Not sure you can vaccum pack anything in PVA mesh!
In reply to Post #8
You could put the pva mesh bags in a bag that is then vacuum packed
You could put the pva mesh bags in a bag that is then vacuum packed
In reply to Post #9
You could....sounds like we're getting into mega faff territory - though I suppose it is carp fishing, after all!
You could....sounds like we're getting into mega faff territory - though I suppose it is carp fishing, after all!
In reply to Post #7
I think I already had about 40, 70 x 140 bags made up at this stage 🤣🤣
I think I already had about 40, 70 x 140 bags made up at this stage 🤣🤣
Fair play to you making all that effort at home
Why not just make them as you go, they take 20 seconds at most when you get the hang of it?
Why not just make them as you go, they take 20 seconds at most when you get the hang of it?
In reply to Post #11
what if you get to the lake and you need to fish a choddy?
what if you get to the lake and you need to fish a choddy?
In reply to Post #13
I would hazard a guess he fishes a choddy.
I would hazard a guess he fishes a choddy.
In reply to Post #14
99% of my fishing is in bags. Personally I'd rather use the time to watch the water than faff about making these there. Anything I can do at home like this saves time once I'm there. I also take a few variations along some made for cats and others for carp including a tigernut and tangerine wafter attached to a pva nugget giving me a spot on presentation.
Personally I wouldn't fish any other way as the approach certainly works for me 👍
I also find that these work fantastically well in weed and on one water in particular which is full of Canadian it's the only method that has worked for me.
99% of my fishing is in bags. Personally I'd rather use the time to watch the water than faff about making these there. Anything I can do at home like this saves time once I'm there. I also take a few variations along some made for cats and others for carp including a tigernut and tangerine wafter attached to a pva nugget giving me a spot on presentation.
Personally I wouldn't fish any other way as the approach certainly works for me 👍
I also find that these work fantastically well in weed and on one water in particular which is full of Canadian it's the only method that has worked for me.
In reply to Post #13
Ok, I take it back, a PVA bag would go out regardless
Ok, I take it back, a PVA bag would go out regardless
In reply to Post #16
You use what you like, all I'm saying is what I'm happy with and I appreciate solid bags aren't everyone's choice.
You use what you like, all I'm saying is what I'm happy with and I appreciate solid bags aren't everyone's choice.
In reply to Post #17
I really fancy trying solid bags, but I tend to take 2 or 3 casts to get the bait where I want it (on the spot, hitting the clip) so I feel like I'd waste a few bags having to recast until I get it right. Is there any way that I practice the technique without wasting bags and/or ruining my swim?
My current method is to cast a single bait so that I can recast time and time again until I hit the money shot. I tend to hit it in no more than 3 attempts, but the weight of a solid bag is something I've very little experience of.
I really fancy trying solid bags, but I tend to take 2 or 3 casts to get the bait where I want it (on the spot, hitting the clip) so I feel like I'd waste a few bags having to recast until I get it right. Is there any way that I practice the technique without wasting bags and/or ruining my swim?
My current method is to cast a single bait so that I can recast time and time again until I hit the money shot. I tend to hit it in no more than 3 attempts, but the weight of a solid bag is something I've very little experience of.
In reply to Post #18
Tie a bag up and weigh it then get a lead roughly the same weight then go practice in a field somewhere, although a good plus to a solid bag is it will present well nearly any where so as long as you havnt cast into deep stinky silt or thick weed its always worth leaving it out for an hour even if you mess up. I ve caught a few fish with a pub chucked bag whilst setting up bivvy ect lol
Tie a bag up and weigh it then get a lead roughly the same weight then go practice in a field somewhere, although a good plus to a solid bag is it will present well nearly any where so as long as you havnt cast into deep stinky silt or thick weed its always worth leaving it out for an hour even if you mess up. I ve caught a few fish with a pub chucked bag whilst setting up bivvy ect lol
In reply to Post #19
Spot on there I was fishing in the storm last month and just wacked the bag as far as I could,as the wind was really bad I cast towards other side where I've been told they hold up and had and 18:12 common on that Thursday morning.
Good result in **** weather
Spot on there I was fishing in the storm last month and just wacked the bag as far as I could,as the wind was really bad I cast towards other side where I've been told they hold up and had and 18:12 common on that Thursday morning.
Good result in **** weather
In reply to Post #19
Thanks. I can probably make up a bag with a decent bait and crumb/pellet mix, weigh it and then make up a fake net bag of similar dimensions and weight. I can use that to practice casting in an area where no one is fishing before swapping the bags and casting for real. Not ideal, but the lake I fish on is quiet so I can get away with casting in different directions.
I tend to find nice spots before I fish, so casting into deep silt isn't a problem. Thanks for the advice.
In terms of success, do people find they catch more on bags than standard rigs? My catch rate is OK, but interested to know whether people feel they are more successful on bags or not. I assume people either use bags as standard, or as per the conditions.
Thanks. I can probably make up a bag with a decent bait and crumb/pellet mix, weigh it and then make up a fake net bag of similar dimensions and weight. I can use that to practice casting in an area where no one is fishing before swapping the bags and casting for real. Not ideal, but the lake I fish on is quiet so I can get away with casting in different directions.
I tend to find nice spots before I fish, so casting into deep silt isn't a problem. Thanks for the advice.
In terms of success, do people find they catch more on bags than standard rigs? My catch rate is OK, but interested to know whether people feel they are more successful on bags or not. I assume people either use bags as standard, or as per the conditions.
In reply to Post #21
In terms of success, do people find they catch more on bags than standard rigs? My catch rate is OK, but interested to know whether people feel they are more successful on bags or not. I assume people either use bags as standard, or as per the conditions
A solid bag can be a tactic to be different from other people's baiting or from what the carp are used to.
If everyone is fishing stringers or single baits, then a PVA bag is totally different, and may trip up the carp, by providing a nice little pile of goods that it sucks up.
A PVA bag could be a way of getting bait out.
Nothing wrong with baiting up with catapulted or cast in PVA bags!
What do you class as standard rigs? A standard rig fits inside a PVA bag nicely
In terms of success, do people find they catch more on bags than standard rigs? My catch rate is OK, but interested to know whether people feel they are more successful on bags or not. I assume people either use bags as standard, or as per the conditions
A solid bag can be a tactic to be different from other people's baiting or from what the carp are used to.
If everyone is fishing stringers or single baits, then a PVA bag is totally different, and may trip up the carp, by providing a nice little pile of goods that it sucks up.
A PVA bag could be a way of getting bait out.
Nothing wrong with baiting up with catapulted or cast in PVA bags!
What do you class as standard rigs? A standard rig fits inside a PVA bag nicely
In reply to Post #22
I nearly always fish a bag now as it gives great presentation as you can never really garautee what you're fishing over.
I nearly always fish a bag now as it gives great presentation as you can never really garautee what you're fishing over.
In reply to Post #22
Fair points. I fish Ronnie or chod for pop up, or combi for bottom bait. If I was fishing solid bags I'd be looking at short, supple hoolinks, so my reference was just to point out the difference between the two.
Both of my standard rigs are on stiff booms as I prefer to rely on the boom pushing the bait away. I think I'm going to give them a go on my next session. Appreciate the advice.
Fair points. I fish Ronnie or chod for pop up, or combi for bottom bait. If I was fishing solid bags I'd be looking at short, supple hoolinks, so my reference was just to point out the difference between the two.
Both of my standard rigs are on stiff booms as I prefer to rely on the boom pushing the bait away. I think I'm going to give them a go on my next session. Appreciate the advice.
In reply to Post #18
bear in mind a solid bag can be influenced by the wind a lot more than a lead.
Theres a bloke who works for korda and does coaching who does a pretty decet job of explaining pva bags, the name escapes me, think its rob burgess?
bear in mind a solid bag can be influenced by the wind a lot more than a lead.
Theres a bloke who works for korda and does coaching who does a pretty decet job of explaining pva bags, the name escapes me, think its rob burgess?
In reply to Post #25
I've been experimenting with a Ronnie type rig and a short hook length in a pva bag my idea Is the fish sucks the lot in and then struggles to blow the hook back out and the weight below the Ronnie drops it in its mouth I've had 2 fish on it so far this year and 3 since October
I've been experimenting with a Ronnie type rig and a short hook length in a pva bag my idea Is the fish sucks the lot in and then struggles to blow the hook back out and the weight below the Ronnie drops it in its mouth I've had 2 fish on it so far this year and 3 since October
In reply to Post #26
I'd not considered that approach, but it sounds like it's working for you. I was more thinking about a pop up sweetcorn on top of a slow sinker, thus creating a critically balanced or water type bait. Nice and light for the carp to suck it up quickly.
I'd not considered that approach, but it sounds like it's working for you. I was more thinking about a pop up sweetcorn on top of a slow sinker, thus creating a critically balanced or water type bait. Nice and light for the carp to suck it up quickly.
In reply to Post #27
I use the nash tungsten weights(look like a bell) and a short hook length works so far had 21,18 and a 14 since last October
Update on this
I'm out for the day at buzzard valley and I've just had another fish on this rig so it works for me and hook holds are very good
I use the nash tungsten weights(look like a bell) and a short hook length works so far had 21,18 and a 14 since last October
Update on this
I'm out for the day at buzzard valley and I've just had another fish on this rig so it works for me and hook holds are very good
In reply to Post #28
Excellent stuff mate, thanks for the advice. If possible, can you take a photo of your rig? A picture paints a thousand words and whilst I think I know what you mean, it would be really helpful to see how you've got it set up.
Excellent stuff mate, thanks for the advice. If possible, can you take a photo of your rig? A picture paints a thousand words and whilst I think I know what you mean, it would be really helpful to see how you've got it set up.
In reply to Post #29
I can do that mate but have not got a clue how to post a picture on here,if anyone can help would be appreciated.
I also use a curved hook length like a chod and fish a stiff boom through a big pva bag via a big baiting needle and thenclip the chod on and follow curve of bag so it's actually on the outside of bag I then pierce bag with hook so it's secure then I drop the bag in the edge(this is my canal rig like a stiff rig but pva version)then if it's fairly silty the bag melts and the rig sits up over the silt.had loads of fish this way but only use it on the canal for presentation
I can do that mate but have not got a clue how to post a picture on here,if anyone can help would be appreciated.
I also use a curved hook length like a chod and fish a stiff boom through a big pva bag via a big baiting needle and thenclip the chod on and follow curve of bag so it's actually on the outside of bag I then pierce bag with hook so it's secure then I drop the bag in the edge(this is my canal rig like a stiff rig but pva version)then if it's fairly silty the bag melts and the rig sits up over the silt.had loads of fish this way but only use it on the canal for presentation
In reply to Post #30
email it to me (I'll pm you my email addy) and I will sort it mate if you want.
email it to me (I'll pm you my email addy) and I will sort it mate if you want.
In reply to Post #31
Ok mate I'll do it tonight after work
Ok mate I'll do it tonight after work
In reply to Post #22
Undoubtedly better in my opinion. I think you can really give yourself a good edge with a bag. I'm just experimenting a bit this year with ingredients like crumbed boilie, pellets, freeze dried bloodworm and krill, liver powder and shrimp extract liquid. With so many layers of attraction you must be giving yourself a bit of an edge.
Also changed bait this year from CCM to Baitworks, so that will be interesting to compare with my previous results.
I can't see me fishing any other way.
Undoubtedly better in my opinion. I think you can really give yourself a good edge with a bag. I'm just experimenting a bit this year with ingredients like crumbed boilie, pellets, freeze dried bloodworm and krill, liver powder and shrimp extract liquid. With so many layers of attraction you must be giving yourself a bit of an edge.
Also changed bait this year from CCM to Baitworks, so that will be interesting to compare with my previous results.
I can't see me fishing any other way.
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