Hi All,
Other than the ronnie (most use this on my water) So I want to change away from it, what pop up rig would you recommend?
Other than the ronnie (most use this on my water) So I want to change away from it, what pop up rig would you recommend?
In reply to Post #1
Multi with Krank Choddy 4 is my mostly used pop up rig for the past years.
Multi with Krank Choddy 4 is my mostly used pop up rig for the past years.
A simple pop up presentation could be as simple as a coated braid, how stiff depending on the bottom, a bit stripped back an inch from the hook, pinch a split shot on and just have a knotless knot to whatever hook you like. Simple but effective.
If you would like to know how to tie it there is a vid on the Fishing Tutorials YouTube channel by Carp and Alex where they show you how to tie it. This is where I got this rig from. Hope it helps!
If you would like to know how to tie it there is a vid on the Fishing Tutorials YouTube channel by Carp and Alex where they show you how to tie it. This is where I got this rig from. Hope it helps!
In reply to Post #1
100% a multi rig and as mr townley said, a match the hatch hookbait
Most ronnie sheep are banging out high vis pop ups soaked in goo with 20 spods of munga at 40 wraps....bosh!
If you must use a pop up, do so, but in a different way to everyone else
100% a multi rig and as mr townley said, a match the hatch hookbait
Most ronnie sheep are banging out high vis pop ups soaked in goo with 20 spods of munga at 40 wraps....bosh!
If you must use a pop up, do so, but in a different way to everyone else
When I do use pop ups which tbh isn't very often I prefer a wafter or bottom bait (I do use pop ups when fishing in and around weed) I use a multi rig I'm not that confident in Ronnie rigs like every else seems to be, seen a few to many hook pulls with it for my liking
Multi rig with a size 4 Kamakura Choddy Hook for me.
In reply to Post #1
Your initial post suggests that you want to move off the R rig as everyone is on it. But if all you do is change from one low pop up rig to another, you haven't changed anything.
Having watched numerous carp feed in the margins they will often blatantly ignore anything not hard on the bottom, even a wafter which is off the bottom will be ignored.
As Ken says try a bottom bait, if you can't due to weed, chod etc, then changing from a ronnie rig to another pop up rig will alter nothing .... in my opinion of course 👍
Your initial post suggests that you want to move off the R rig as everyone is on it. But if all you do is change from one low pop up rig to another, you haven't changed anything.
Having watched numerous carp feed in the margins they will often blatantly ignore anything not hard on the bottom, even a wafter which is off the bottom will be ignored.
As Ken says try a bottom bait, if you can't due to weed, chod etc, then changing from a ronnie rig to another pop up rig will alter nothing .... in my opinion of course 👍
In reply to Post #8
Roger Smith only had two rigs, a normal rig for bottom baits, and 1 with a shot on for pop ups......
Roger Smith only had two rigs, a normal rig for bottom baits, and 1 with a shot on for pop ups......
In reply to Post #5
Most of those sheep use the term “match the hatch”as well lol
Most of those sheep use the term “match the hatch”as well lol
In reply to Post #10
They do!!
I didnt know how else to describe it, so referred back to the appropriate authority
They do!!
I didnt know how else to describe it, so referred back to the appropriate authority
In reply to Post #2
Mr Townley's post = a good place to start
Mr Townley's post = a good place to start
Thanks all, tried bottom baits and wafters last night with no luck. The area I was fishing was not clean though, the lake is very silty and has lots of crap / leafs on the bottom. In some swims there are simply no clean areas at all as the lake in very old and they have never done anything to combat the silt.
I will preserve though! Thank you.
I will preserve though! Thank you.
In reply to Post #13
Might be worth trying a reverse combi rig a la Ian Russel flick rig. Has worked for me. Tie the pop up as low or high as you think necessary.
Might be worth trying a reverse combi rig a la Ian Russel flick rig. Has worked for me. Tie the pop up as low or high as you think necessary.
In reply to Post #13
My lake is very silty, the bottom has many, many leaves and twigs (and branches) littering it and yet bottom baits still catch the majority of fish overall.
Put a little stick on the hooklink to make sure your hook reaches the bottom without being masked and you're well on the way IMO.
My lake is very silty, the bottom has many, many leaves and twigs (and branches) littering it and yet bottom baits still catch the majority of fish overall.
Put a little stick on the hooklink to make sure your hook reaches the bottom without being masked and you're well on the way IMO.
In reply to Post #15
After all, the natural food / freebies aren't hovering 2” above the silt are they?
After all, the natural food / freebies aren't hovering 2” above the silt are they?
In reply to Post #9
Brilliant
Brilliant
In reply to Post #1
My pop-up rigs tend to be based on D-rigs.
Often standard coated braid, stripped or broken coating near the hook using an olivette to counterbalance the pop-up
My pop-up rigs tend to be based on D-rigs.
Often standard coated braid, stripped or broken coating near the hook using an olivette to counterbalance the pop-up
In reply to Post #16
But pop-ups still catch thousands of carp. Sometimes something more natural will catch but then you have things like chords that can be very tall, 4” of the lakebed and maybe more. I think IMO the reason why so many carp are caught on pop ups is because of their curiosity, they don't have hands so they use their mouth. In my words, ‘curiosity killed the carp!' Can be the same with predator fishing with lures for perch. If something comes into its territory it may attack it to either eat it, try to discourage it or not knowing what it is just biting it. Say also with bass in the US. If you use a lure to imitate a fish that is in their territory especially during spawning it will attack it to discourage it. But carp are now recognising that bright pop ups lead to them getting caught, so they may avoid them and that's when a bottom bait approach would maybe work better and catch more.
But pop-ups still catch thousands of carp. Sometimes something more natural will catch but then you have things like chords that can be very tall, 4” of the lakebed and maybe more. I think IMO the reason why so many carp are caught on pop ups is because of their curiosity, they don't have hands so they use their mouth. In my words, ‘curiosity killed the carp!' Can be the same with predator fishing with lures for perch. If something comes into its territory it may attack it to either eat it, try to discourage it or not knowing what it is just biting it. Say also with bass in the US. If you use a lure to imitate a fish that is in their territory especially during spawning it will attack it to discourage it. But carp are now recognising that bright pop ups lead to them getting caught, so they may avoid them and that's when a bottom bait approach would maybe work better and catch more.
Multi rig with size 4 Nash Twister.
In reply to Post #19
I think he meant why fish a poo up a few inches above the food when, while in silt carp usually bury themselves gills deep in the stuff to get to what's underneath, meaning your popup is more likely to hook them in the ass than the mouth
I think he meant why fish a poo up a few inches above the food when, while in silt carp usually bury themselves gills deep in the stuff to get to what's underneath, meaning your popup is more likely to hook them in the ass than the mouth
In reply to Post #1
currently using a combi rig using Gemini booms and a looped on soft section with a normal hair and silicon trapping it opposite barb(not shop bought), used wafters and pop ups and nailed on both no fish lost yet... It could be described as the noodle as the kicker is half a length of shrink tube from packet angled slightly and a more exaggerated angle at the end. (see Scott lloyds rig). I use this with a running rig( fox camo angled run beads) which again I believe if you can get away with it is far superior to anything else. I had a bite yesterday , bobbin moved to top and just stayed there as if the fish didn't know what was going on. Happens alot with this set up. I have so much confidence in my setup right now. same setup also caught me 2 from PADS Yateley last year.
currently using a combi rig using Gemini booms and a looped on soft section with a normal hair and silicon trapping it opposite barb(not shop bought), used wafters and pop ups and nailed on both no fish lost yet... It could be described as the noodle as the kicker is half a length of shrink tube from packet angled slightly and a more exaggerated angle at the end. (see Scott lloyds rig). I use this with a running rig( fox camo angled run beads) which again I believe if you can get away with it is far superior to anything else. I had a bite yesterday , bobbin moved to top and just stayed there as if the fish didn't know what was going on. Happens alot with this set up. I have so much confidence in my setup right now. same setup also caught me 2 from PADS Yateley last year.
In reply to Post #13
Maybe try the swim again with bottom baits once it's been fed on ,
Those pesky leaves may be gone 👍🏻
Maybe try the swim again with bottom baits once it's been fed on ,
Those pesky leaves may be gone 👍🏻
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