Anyone in carp fishing nowadays just use a simple length of braid knotless knot to a hook?
I swear all these fandango rigs nowadays merely serve to catch the angler more than anything and it seems the companies want to encorporate as many components as possible crammed into a single rig.
Im guilty of messing around with rigs just as much as most however I'm feeling that a simple knotless rig would do just as well as any other if put in the right place.
I swear all these fandango rigs nowadays merely serve to catch the angler more than anything and it seems the companies want to encorporate as many components as possible crammed into a single rig.
Im guilty of messing around with rigs just as much as most however I'm feeling that a simple knotless rig would do just as well as any other if put in the right place.
In reply to Post #1
I agree with what your saying,
Caught all my fish last season using Terry's bottom bait rig, pretty simple rig.
https://youtu.be/4xa1xsx3LK0
I agree with what your saying,
Caught all my fish last season using Terry's bottom bait rig, pretty simple rig.
https://youtu.be/4xa1xsx3LK0
In reply to Post #1
Yep
Yep
In reply to Post #1
Yes unless there is a good reason regarding presentation my usual hooklength is 4-10ins uncoated braid, wide gape hook and knotless knot.
Yes unless there is a good reason regarding presentation my usual hooklength is 4-10ins uncoated braid, wide gape hook and knotless knot.
In reply to Post #1
It's no coincidence that new rigs are usually invented by the companies that sell the components!
I have 3 rigs that cover 99% of my fishing.
Chod
Stiff hinge (chod + boom)
Simple bottom bait rig, usually a curve shank hook, knot less knot and a small piece of silicone to trap the hair on the shank.
I use a heli set up meaning I can adjust the top bead as necessary.
Only real exception is solid bags.
It's no coincidence that new rigs are usually invented by the companies that sell the components!
I have 3 rigs that cover 99% of my fishing.
Chod
Stiff hinge (chod + boom)
Simple bottom bait rig, usually a curve shank hook, knot less knot and a small piece of silicone to trap the hair on the shank.
I use a heli set up meaning I can adjust the top bead as necessary.
Only real exception is solid bags.
In reply to Post #5
In that OCD about tangles I use 3 rigs,As long as it's tangle proof I'm happy must of been 15 years since o used supple hooklinks,confidence is key but yes there is a lot of marketing going into it all now designed to catch the angler
Chod
Hinge stiff
D rig - stiff fluro for bottom baits/snowman
In that OCD about tangles I use 3 rigs,As long as it's tangle proof I'm happy must of been 15 years since o used supple hooklinks,confidence is key but yes there is a lot of marketing going into it all now designed to catch the angler
Chod
Hinge stiff
D rig - stiff fluro for bottom baits/snowman
In reply to Post #1
Most rigs are born out of resolving a specific problem / issue or for making like convenient / speed of change etc. They end up in the carp rags and people spend money blindly . . .
I too generally also only use 3x rigs
Wafters - Fluro D Rig
Bottom bait - Coated braid combi (a la TH bottom bait rig)
Pop ups - Slip D / Ultimate rig
Do sometimes use braid 'only' if fishing short hooklink in PVA bags etc for any of the above three hookbaits . . most of the time the wafter fluoro D covers most fishing situations . . .rarely use pop-ups full stop
Most rigs are born out of resolving a specific problem / issue or for making like convenient / speed of change etc. They end up in the carp rags and people spend money blindly . . .
I too generally also only use 3x rigs
Wafters - Fluro D Rig
Bottom bait - Coated braid combi (a la TH bottom bait rig)
Pop ups - Slip D / Ultimate rig
Do sometimes use braid 'only' if fishing short hooklink in PVA bags etc for any of the above three hookbaits . . most of the time the wafter fluoro D covers most fishing situations . . .rarely use pop-ups full stop
In reply to Post #1
As has been said, originally rigs were advanced or developed to deal with a situation.
Both Rod Hutchinson's sliding (extending) hair and the D rig developed by Roger Smith were to deal with finicky takes at Savay after the standard hair rig presentation got sussed.
The Withy Pool rig, developed at Withy Pool to deal with fish taking cautiously at Withy Pool.
Possibly or Probably from the hair, the greatest advancement has been Jim Gibbinson's line aligner.
I'm sure that a standard hook tied to hooklink with a decent hair and line aligner will continue to catch. The knotless knot is handy and easy, probably the easiest way to attach your hook to the hooklink.
That knotless knot hook and hair with line aligner has for a number of years been my standard presentation. I use something different at times, but I keep going back to it, and I still catch.
Put your rig in the right place, get your bait and baiting (feeding) situation right, concentrate on that rather than faffing with rigs.
However the standard knotless knotted rig does not sell magazines or tackle...😖
As has been said, originally rigs were advanced or developed to deal with a situation.
Both Rod Hutchinson's sliding (extending) hair and the D rig developed by Roger Smith were to deal with finicky takes at Savay after the standard hair rig presentation got sussed.
The Withy Pool rig, developed at Withy Pool to deal with fish taking cautiously at Withy Pool.
Possibly or Probably from the hair, the greatest advancement has been Jim Gibbinson's line aligner.
I'm sure that a standard hook tied to hooklink with a decent hair and line aligner will continue to catch. The knotless knot is handy and easy, probably the easiest way to attach your hook to the hooklink.
That knotless knot hook and hair with line aligner has for a number of years been my standard presentation. I use something different at times, but I keep going back to it, and I still catch.
Put your rig in the right place, get your bait and baiting (feeding) situation right, concentrate on that rather than faffing with rigs.
However the standard knotless knotted rig does not sell magazines or tackle...😖
In reply to Post #1
The hair is a great rig for bottom baits, over the top of crud, not so great as a for instance...
There is an element of tackle companies coming up with new components to sell to anglers to make a few quid, thing is, some of the kit is really helpful to get over a specific problem.
The hair is a great rig for bottom baits, over the top of crud, not so great as a for instance...
There is an element of tackle companies coming up with new components to sell to anglers to make a few quid, thing is, some of the kit is really helpful to get over a specific problem.
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What always puzzles me is, in the past you chose a rig on a variety of criteria, lake substrate, bait, fish size, fishes perceived cuteness etc now it seems most just use what's blindly advertised on YouTube or social media. I'd say 95% of my fishing is with a spliced slip D, semi balanced bait and either a semi stiff hinge rig or Withy for pop ups.
Like bait, chopping and changing rigs is basically down to a lack of confidence, as mentioned look at the successful named anglers, they use one rig and one bait... put in the right spot and you will catch.
What always puzzles me is, in the past you chose a rig on a variety of criteria, lake substrate, bait, fish size, fishes perceived cuteness etc now it seems most just use what's blindly advertised on YouTube or social media. I'd say 95% of my fishing is with a spliced slip D, semi balanced bait and either a semi stiff hinge rig or Withy for pop ups.
Like bait, chopping and changing rigs is basically down to a lack of confidence, as mentioned look at the successful named anglers, they use one rig and one bait... put in the right spot and you will catch.
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I think a big problem is the desperate desire of anglers in the media and anglers working for manufacturers to "invent/design a rig they can claim as their own. There are a handful of generic rigs and the rest are hype around miniscule changes.
Take an uncoated braid with a hook tied on with a knotless knot giving a hair.
It can be fished running, in line, heli or lead clip, the hair can be any material, any length fixed or sliding. The braid can be 15lb to 60lb. It can be heavy sinking or normal braid. It can be 3ins to 15 ins or more if you fish it concertina stlyle. You can add a line aligner, shot, putty. You can attach it with a swivel, figure 8 loop, qc swivel. You can fish any bait, any hook size or pattern. You can stiffen it with PVA. You can fish it with any weight or pattern of lead or feeder.
It is still a simple braid hooklength tied knotless knot style.
Let's just keep it simple and do our own thing
Remember the KISS principle.
Keep it simple stupid.
I think a big problem is the desperate desire of anglers in the media and anglers working for manufacturers to "invent/design a rig they can claim as their own. There are a handful of generic rigs and the rest are hype around miniscule changes.
Take an uncoated braid with a hook tied on with a knotless knot giving a hair.
It can be fished running, in line, heli or lead clip, the hair can be any material, any length fixed or sliding. The braid can be 15lb to 60lb. It can be heavy sinking or normal braid. It can be 3ins to 15 ins or more if you fish it concertina stlyle. You can add a line aligner, shot, putty. You can attach it with a swivel, figure 8 loop, qc swivel. You can fish any bait, any hook size or pattern. You can stiffen it with PVA. You can fish it with any weight or pattern of lead or feeder.
It is still a simple braid hooklength tied knotless knot style.
Let's just keep it simple and do our own thing
Remember the KISS principle.
Keep it simple stupid.
Just seen an article on the net. Cherry carp. Rig mechanics by Martin Crackoff. Quite an interesting article but can this be his real name?
In reply to Post #11
Spot on.. I always know when I'm in the presence of a good and confident angler, same rig and same bait on all rods!
Sure some rig developments do aid the angler, but most are as you state are to sell gear to the masses. Most rigs are a variant of previous incarnation, it was only the other day Joe Turnbull put out a video of a rig I used in the 90's which I copied from Andy Little, the only difference was it is now blobbed rather than superglued...if only I knew then what I know now and all that.
Spot on.. I always know when I'm in the presence of a good and confident angler, same rig and same bait on all rods!
Sure some rig developments do aid the angler, but most are as you state are to sell gear to the masses. Most rigs are a variant of previous incarnation, it was only the other day Joe Turnbull put out a video of a rig I used in the 90's which I copied from Andy Little, the only difference was it is now blobbed rather than superglued...if only I knew then what I know now and all that.
In reply to Post #11
Too much marketing #bullsheet
We need a zoom meeting so us old farts can have a group hug
Too much marketing #bullsheet
We need a zoom meeting so us old farts can have a group hug
In reply to Post #1
I agree with you, but for some reason never use a normal hair/ knotless knot
I use multi rigs for everything except zigs where i use a zig aligner
I agree with you, but for some reason never use a normal hair/ knotless knot
I use multi rigs for everything except zigs where i use a zig aligner
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too right.....Certain companies really pushing the ronnie/spinner rig..... i wonder why? I counted 9 different items of terminal tackle in one rig! Granted, like some have said certain rigs or components are added to rig to rid a certain problem, but a lot of the time we add a component to solve a problem, which then creates another issue, so we add something else, then something else etc etc far removed from the simple approach/set up.
too right.....Certain companies really pushing the ronnie/spinner rig..... i wonder why? I counted 9 different items of terminal tackle in one rig! Granted, like some have said certain rigs or components are added to rig to rid a certain problem, but a lot of the time we add a component to solve a problem, which then creates another issue, so we add something else, then something else etc etc far removed from the simple approach/set up.
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