ot sure if this is the right place, but can anyone give an insight as to how many wraps to clip up at in deep water ?
Currently fishing a deep river channel, 30 ft deep , spombiing to 9 wraps. .
Obviously , when I cast my baited rig tio the clip, it will end up closer on th e bottom, as it swings back/down .
Anyone know how much extra I should be wrapping ti get the hookbait at the same spot as the free offerings ?
Currently fishing a deep river channel, 30 ft deep , spombiing to 9 wraps. .
Obviously , when I cast my baited rig tio the clip, it will end up closer on th e bottom, as it swings back/down .
Anyone know how much extra I should be wrapping ti get the hookbait at the same spot as the free offerings ?
In reply to Post #1
Depends on the flow of the river
Allowing for the depth you still have to work out the flow speed
Depends on the flow of the river
Allowing for the depth you still have to work out the flow speed
In reply to Post #2
River is very liw, little flow to speaj of.
River is very liw, little flow to speaj of.
In reply to Post #3
The swim is at the very end if what us basically a two nile long kick cut, so almost canal like.
The swim is at the very end if what us basically a two nile long kick cut, so almost canal like.
In reply to Post #4
Worked out mathematically it's 4ft. If you hit the clip and feel it down on a tight line.
Worked out mathematically it's 4ft. If you hit the clip and feel it down on a tight line.
In reply to Post #5
Right, thanks for that. I was thinking it would be much more.
Right, thanks for that. I was thinking it would be much more.
In reply to Post #6
Can you not put a marker float on your fishing rod cast it to a clip at your 9 wraps then release from clip and pop float up, then cast spomb to float then recount your wraps for the spomb rod i suspect it will be more than 4ft you will have to drop short if you want your bait right over the top
Can you not put a marker float on your fishing rod cast it to a clip at your 9 wraps then release from clip and pop float up, then cast spomb to float then recount your wraps for the spomb rod i suspect it will be more than 4ft you will have to drop short if you want your bait right over the top
In reply to Post #7
Sorry my friend, it is 4 ft. There was a fellow about 4000 years ago who worked this all out. In 20 ft of water at 100yds it is inches, four if memory serves. Can do the numbers if you wish. It is much less than you would think. This is with no underwater obstacles or features between the angler and the spot and with tight lines and still water.
In this case spodding at nine wraps youneed to cast your lead and bait 9 wraps plus 4 ft. Simple and uncomplicated once you know the numbers
Sorry my friend, it is 4 ft. There was a fellow about 4000 years ago who worked this all out. In 20 ft of water at 100yds it is inches, four if memory serves. Can do the numbers if you wish. It is much less than you would think. This is with no underwater obstacles or features between the angler and the spot and with tight lines and still water.
In this case spodding at nine wraps youneed to cast your lead and bait 9 wraps plus 4 ft. Simple and uncomplicated once you know the numbers
In reply to Post #7
Rob Hughes did an article on this at Wrasbury I think it was on carp feed.
Rob Hughes did an article on this at Wrasbury I think it was on carp feed.
In reply to Post #9
I have seen that video and if you go by robs findings it would be 7.5 ft he would have to drop short, the only way to properly find the answer is by practical testing
I have seen that video and if you go by robs findings it would be 7.5 ft he would have to drop short, the only way to properly find the answer is by practical testing
In reply to Post #1
You can calculate the dropback of the lead via pythagorean theorem. This will only be valid in ideal conditions but would give you a great idea.
Also, on a river i don't mind to get a large baiting area. So spombing a couple spots on the left, right and on 7 and 9 wraps would be my go to.
In fact i would only use boilies to reduce the amount of nuisance fish and bait up with a catapult or throwing stick.
You can calculate the dropback of the lead via pythagorean theorem. This will only be valid in ideal conditions but would give you a great idea.
Also, on a river i don't mind to get a large baiting area. So spombing a couple spots on the left, right and on 7 and 9 wraps would be my go to.
In fact i would only use boilies to reduce the amount of nuisance fish and bait up with a catapult or throwing stick.
In reply to Post #11
How do you think I got the numbers. As you say it needs perfect conditions to get perfect results, but fishing in a deep canal style venue with no real flow is pretty nearly that. Not seen the video mentioned, will try and track it down. Spodding at 9 wraps in 30 ft of water will require an overcast of 4ft to drop back accurately on the bait. There is theoretically only one answer.
How do you think I got the numbers. As you say it needs perfect conditions to get perfect results, but fishing in a deep canal style venue with no real flow is pretty nearly that. Not seen the video mentioned, will try and track it down. Spodding at 9 wraps in 30 ft of water will require an overcast of 4ft to drop back accurately on the bait. There is theoretically only one answer.
Found the article, interesting stuff. However couple of problems, his target zone is 4.5 ft square and the spombs and leads were cast not placed( with all the inherent inaccuracies that this brings)
A target zone that big can only give you a result plus or minus 4.5 ft and the problem is the calculated dropback at 50yds in 11 ft of water is( in round figures) 5 inches. This is not good or accurate science and it is my view that this article definitely does not give a definitive answer as it claims.
Having said all this, it doesn't survive in the real world. Taking into account the differences are usually in inches at normal ranges and depths plus all the uncontrollable effects and human error involved I never bother worrying about it. Patch of bait as accurate as the conditions allow and lead and bait clipped up the same will fish the nearside of the patch. Good enough for me. Don't waste time worrying. Probably all started with an article out to impress us.
A target zone that big can only give you a result plus or minus 4.5 ft and the problem is the calculated dropback at 50yds in 11 ft of water is( in round figures) 5 inches. This is not good or accurate science and it is my view that this article definitely does not give a definitive answer as it claims.
Having said all this, it doesn't survive in the real world. Taking into account the differences are usually in inches at normal ranges and depths plus all the uncontrollable effects and human error involved I never bother worrying about it. Patch of bait as accurate as the conditions allow and lead and bait clipped up the same will fish the nearside of the patch. Good enough for me. Don't waste time worrying. Probably all started with an article out to impress us.
In reply to Post #13
That's always been my thinking on this and is the way I've always done it.
That's always been my thinking on this and is the way I've always done it.
In reply to Post #14
In reply to Post #1
Rule of thumb 1ft short per 3ft of depth, So in 30ft at short range I would be clipping the spod rod around 10ft shorter than the fishing rods.
There's more to it than Pythagoras theory. As the lead falls through the water the line also drags in the water causing it to fall back further.
As already mentioned - you could pop a marker float up and cast the spomb at that. As long as you know you're close you could then clip up the spod rod and check the difference
Its definitely not an exact science but the 1ft per 3ft has always worked ok for me.
Rule of thumb 1ft short per 3ft of depth, So in 30ft at short range I would be clipping the spod rod around 10ft shorter than the fishing rods.
There's more to it than Pythagoras theory. As the lead falls through the water the line also drags in the water causing it to fall back further.
As already mentioned - you could pop a marker float up and cast the spomb at that. As long as you know you're close you could then clip up the spod rod and check the difference
Its definitely not an exact science but the 1ft per 3ft has always worked ok for me.
In reply to Post #16
Makes sense but 1ft for every 3ft sounds drastic, bet you're probably not far wrong though definitely when at range
Makes sense but 1ft for every 3ft sounds drastic, bet you're probably not far wrong though definitely when at range
In reply to Post #16
Makes sense but 1ft for every 3ft sounds drastic, bet you're probably not far wrong though definitely when at range
Makes sense but 1ft for every 3ft sounds drastic, bet you're probably not far wrong though definitely when at range
In reply to Post #18
Actually for any given depth, the greater the range the smaller the dropback. The time to be concerned is short range 10wraps)in deep(30 plus ft) water as in original post where it is 4 ft.
The 1ft for every 3ft is just wrong and grossly misleading. The real rule of thumb is ignore it completely except in very deep(30ft plus) water and even then its only any kind of problem at very short range. In the vast majority of fishing situations its irrelevant.
As I say, rule of thumb, ignore it.
Actually for any given depth, the greater the range the smaller the dropback. The time to be concerned is short range 10wraps)in deep(30 plus ft) water as in original post where it is 4 ft.
The 1ft for every 3ft is just wrong and grossly misleading. The real rule of thumb is ignore it completely except in very deep(30ft plus) water and even then its only any kind of problem at very short range. In the vast majority of fishing situations its irrelevant.
As I say, rule of thumb, ignore it.
In reply to Post #1
The easiest way I've seen is via Dave Lane especially over shorter distances up to 20 wraps.
Cast out marker float.
Load spomb then wrap once with insulating tape so if can't open.
Cast beyond marker float, then wind in to exactly in line with float, you need a floating spomb obviously!
Clip up with rod at 45 degree angle.
Minor adjustment if necessary.
Record number of wraps to that distance on spomb rod and fishing rod .
This method is spot on every time and once recorded there for ever.
The easiest way I've seen is via Dave Lane especially over shorter distances up to 20 wraps.
Cast out marker float.
Load spomb then wrap once with insulating tape so if can't open.
Cast beyond marker float, then wind in to exactly in line with float, you need a floating spomb obviously!
Clip up with rod at 45 degree angle.
Minor adjustment if necessary.
Record number of wraps to that distance on spomb rod and fishing rod .
This method is spot on every time and once recorded there for ever.
In reply to Post #19
Oh I'm with you now.....I think hahaha
Oh I'm with you now.....I think hahaha
In reply to Post #20
Thats simple and would certainly work. Now how accurate is your casting?
At 20 wraps I would be happy to be within 2/3 ft of the marker float with my spod, so bed of bait with a four to six foot spread not allowing for scatter and undertow, and then baits cast out with similar accuracy onto the bait several feet apart. Why worry about a dropback of less than 6 ins in 6ft to 12ft of water at 20 wraps.
Talk of pinpoint accuracy is self delusion. No more from me on this, getting old and daft.
Thats simple and would certainly work. Now how accurate is your casting?
At 20 wraps I would be happy to be within 2/3 ft of the marker float with my spod, so bed of bait with a four to six foot spread not allowing for scatter and undertow, and then baits cast out with similar accuracy onto the bait several feet apart. Why worry about a dropback of less than 6 ins in 6ft to 12ft of water at 20 wraps.
Talk of pinpoint accuracy is self delusion. No more from me on this, getting old and daft.
In reply to Post #22
My casting is questionable at best
My casting is questionable at best
In reply to Post #24
Then you have to think abut the undertow and what's in your spomb ie bait or small bits for where you land your spomb.
I just imagine my spot and do a box around it of 1/2 wrap with bait . Will do larger if its very windy or right on the spot it its flat calm and has been for a few hours to let the undertow die of.
Just some extra things to make you think of.
Happy Fishing
Then you have to think abut the undertow and what's in your spomb ie bait or small bits for where you land your spomb.
I just imagine my spot and do a box around it of 1/2 wrap with bait . Will do larger if its very windy or right on the spot it its flat calm and has been for a few hours to let the undertow die of.
Just some extra things to make you think of.
Happy Fishing
In reply to Post #19
First person who gets it right - well done sir.
First person who gets it right - well done sir.
In reply to Post #26
Thank you sir.
Thank you sir.
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