Just curious what most of you guys use. I use a palomar knot myself but a lot of people prefer a needle knot to leader.
Curious why that is as its no safer for dropping rigs and more effort to do?
Curious why that is as its no safer for dropping rigs and more effort to do?
In reply to Post #1
I use loop to loops myself.
I have all my hooklinks set up with leads ready to be looped on.
also works very well with solid bags.
I use loop to loops myself.
I have all my hooklinks set up with leads ready to be looped on.
also works very well with solid bags.
In reply to Post #2
Yeah loop to loop decent but as i fish my leaders with korda leader safe lead systems not really viable as 2nd loop on leader would have to be huge
Yeah loop to loop decent but as i fish my leaders with korda leader safe lead systems not really viable as 2nd loop on leader would have to be huge
Needle knot
In reply to Post #3
It's the loop om the mainline that is large enough to loop it on. The loops on te leadcore cab be as small as possible
It's the loop om the mainline that is large enough to loop it on. The loops on te leadcore cab be as small as possible
In reply to Post #5
Unless i feel like redoing all my pre made leaders fitted with heli safe systems i can't use loop to loop system as you loop through mainline then leader for the knot. Heli safe system gets in the way no?
Unless i feel like redoing all my pre made leaders fitted with heli safe systems i can't use loop to loop system as you loop through mainline then leader for the knot. Heli safe system gets in the way no?
In reply to Post #6
Not sure what you mean - helisafe makes no difference
tie a figure 8 loop in mainline - Pass loop through small loop on end of leader - pass rest of leader (including helisafe) through the loop in mainline - pull tight. Simple as that.
for the record I use a 5 turn grinner
Not sure what you mean - helisafe makes no difference
tie a figure 8 loop in mainline - Pass loop through small loop on end of leader - pass rest of leader (including helisafe) through the loop in mainline - pull tight. Simple as that.
for the record I use a 5 turn grinner
In reply to Post #7
Yeah see what you mean. Mainline through tiny loop then heliflsafe through mainline loop
Yeah see what you mean. Mainline through tiny loop then heliflsafe through mainline loop
In reply to Post #8
spot on.
i use this method for all leaders.
same for my spod/marker rod, tie a large loop in the braid and loop to loop the spod or marker.
fast and easy.
spot on.
i use this method for all leaders.
same for my spod/marker rod, tie a large loop in the braid and loop to loop the spod or marker.
fast and easy.
In reply to Post #9
Can i ask the actual benefits of grinner/needle/loop system over polamar which i am using presently or is it just a preference thing?
Can i ask the actual benefits of grinner/needle/loop system over polamar which i am using presently or is it just a preference thing?
In reply to Post #10
Is the loop to loop as strong as a normal knot (Palomar, Grinner, Bloodknot) for the connection with the leader?
For solid bag fishing on some of my waters I'm not so worried because carp's average size will be mid 20's.
But for fishing on weedy lake with hard fighting big carp I am always a bit scared of loop knots.
Is the loop to loop as strong as a normal knot (Palomar, Grinner, Bloodknot) for the connection with the leader?
For solid bag fishing on some of my waters I'm not so worried because carp's average size will be mid 20's.
But for fishing on weedy lake with hard fighting big carp I am always a bit scared of loop knots.
In reply to Post #10
Loop system is quicker to change, but other than that, not a lot.
Loop system is quicker to change, but other than that, not a lot.
In reply to Post #9
I also do another loop knot about 1cm away from the end of the loop on the braid which leaves a little tag end that enables you to pull and change between lead and spod or what ever you need to attach really easily....
I also do another loop knot about 1cm away from the end of the loop on the braid which leaves a little tag end that enables you to pull and change between lead and spod or what ever you need to attach really easily....
In reply to Post #13
I don't use lead core but a Willis knot seems a good knot
works on the esp stuff definitely , as I was thinking about using it at a
Local ressie
Thread the mono through the lead core after removing the lead and tie a single granny that's it
Didn't seem to work on other materials I tested
Whatever you use , really abuse it before fishing
I don't use lead core but a Willis knot seems a good knot
works on the esp stuff definitely , as I was thinking about using it at a
Local ressie
Thread the mono through the lead core after removing the lead and tie a single granny that's it
Didn't seem to work on other materials I tested
Whatever you use , really abuse it before fishing
In reply to Post #13
Double post
Double post
In reply to Post #11
With a loop to loop, the more times you go through the loop, the stronger it becomes. If your concerned, a single loop to loop isn't strong enough, loop through several times and test it, yourll be very surprised at how stong and neat it becomes.
Big game anglers do it this way for huge bill fish.
With a loop to loop, the more times you go through the loop, the stronger it becomes. If your concerned, a single loop to loop isn't strong enough, loop through several times and test it, yourll be very surprised at how stong and neat it becomes.
Big game anglers do it this way for huge bill fish.
In reply to Post #16
that is all good but normally the knot that makes the loop is the weakest point... but still more than strong enough if you ask me...
that is all good but normally the knot that makes the loop is the weakest point... but still more than strong enough if you ask me...
In reply to Post #2
That's the one mate....spent years doing the needle knot until I started using this style.
Knot strength is exceptional.
That's the one mate....spent years doing the needle knot until I started using this style.
Knot strength is exceptional.
In reply to Post #18
Me too. Deadly simple too..
Me too. Deadly simple too..
Double over hand loop for me then loop to loop the leaders on, simple and extremely strong.
In reply to Post #20
Has anyone ever had a mono mainline cut through a braid leader or vis versa?
I lost a fish recently when the loop to loop connection between 40lb cling on leader failed. All I had left was a frayed leader end which makes me think the mono hook length cut through the braid.
I was gutted, it was a good fish.
Has anyone ever had a mono mainline cut through a braid leader or vis versa?
I lost a fish recently when the loop to loop connection between 40lb cling on leader failed. All I had left was a frayed leader end which makes me think the mono hook length cut through the braid.
I was gutted, it was a good fish.
In reply to Post #21
That sounds more like the splice in the leader pulled through.
That sounds more like the splice in the leader pulled through.
In reply to Post #21
A spliced loop in leadcore can slip, happened to me just once and never trusted it again.
Also don't trust loop knots in mono mainline on a big chuck...
When I used to splice the leadcore and it failed I then spliced and superglued. This works fine, but I now do a no needle version of the needle knot. This leaves no bulky end and 100% reliable.
A spliced loop in leadcore can slip, happened to me just once and never trusted it again.
Also don't trust loop knots in mono mainline on a big chuck...
When I used to splice the leadcore and it failed I then spliced and superglued. This works fine, but I now do a no needle version of the needle knot. This leaves no bulky end and 100% reliable.
In reply to Post #22
Agreed
Agreed
Loop to loop all day.
Reading ALL pages