First post on here, so apologies if this is going over old news...
I'm and angler and i'm also lucky enough to be a fishery owner. I have a 7 acre lake with a fish to nearly 40lb...it's a members only lake. There is some weed but no snags. There is a boat within 30 seconds of each peg. Longest chuck is 110 yards.
I hate the thought of all the leads being dropped. There are folk far more educated than me stating lead does have toxic effects in fresh water with a ph under 7....
If people drop the tiniest bit of litter on the bank i ban them for life - yet people are dropping leads because it's the right thing to do.
If you had a lake - What rules around lead would you enforce and why? Really keen to hear peoples opinions on this.
Many thanks in advance.
Mickey
I'm and angler and i'm also lucky enough to be a fishery owner. I have a 7 acre lake with a fish to nearly 40lb...it's a members only lake. There is some weed but no snags. There is a boat within 30 seconds of each peg. Longest chuck is 110 yards.
I hate the thought of all the leads being dropped. There are folk far more educated than me stating lead does have toxic effects in fresh water with a ph under 7....
If people drop the tiniest bit of litter on the bank i ban them for life - yet people are dropping leads because it's the right thing to do.
If you had a lake - What rules around lead would you enforce and why? Really keen to hear peoples opinions on this.
Many thanks in advance.
Mickey
In reply to Post #1
Yes it has been mentioned on here before but it's a subject that deserves another airing IMO.
Here's some old threads
You'll have to sift through it, some of it is about NOT dropping leads on heli rigs but that's more to do with safety reasons than littering.
My own opinions is I don't normally drop the lead unless lake rules force me to. I reckon much of it is a ploy to make us buy more leads
Yes it has been mentioned on here before but it's a subject that deserves another airing IMO.
Here's some old threads
You'll have to sift through it, some of it is about NOT dropping leads on heli rigs but that's more to do with safety reasons than littering.
My own opinions is I don't normally drop the lead unless lake rules force me to. I reckon much of it is a ploy to make us buy more leads
In reply to Post #1
Mickey, at the end of the day its your lake, you decide but more power to you for asking for informed opinions.
Dropping leads, most fisheries struggle with people fishing with death rigs that DONT or cant drop the lead.
I remember, we hooked and landed carp in all sorts of environments long before 'dropping' leads became the in vogue thing to do. IMO, unless the lake is seriously weedy, there's no need for such an action. Id do it in only the most extreme situations and to be fair, when the weeds that bad, most don't fish those swims anyway. 99% of carp anglers hate weed.
Mickey, at the end of the day its your lake, you decide but more power to you for asking for informed opinions.
Dropping leads, most fisheries struggle with people fishing with death rigs that DONT or cant drop the lead.
I remember, we hooked and landed carp in all sorts of environments long before 'dropping' leads became the in vogue thing to do. IMO, unless the lake is seriously weedy, there's no need for such an action. Id do it in only the most extreme situations and to be fair, when the weeds that bad, most don't fish those swims anyway. 99% of carp anglers hate weed.
On many golf courses with water hazards, they hire divers(maybe once a year) to remove balls from the lakes/ponds around the course. The lake balls are then sold on to members, obviously at a reduced price.
Is it not viable to do the same thing for a fishery but with leads?
Is it not viable to do the same thing for a fishery but with leads?
In reply to Post #1
I haven't dropped a lead in years, if it's weedy just go down to 2 or even 1 1/2oz, seems to make no difference to hooking capabilities but makes a big difference when playing fish.
I haven't dropped a lead in years, if it's weedy just go down to 2 or even 1 1/2oz, seems to make no difference to hooking capabilities but makes a big difference when playing fish.
In reply to Post #5
Also inline leads help, more streamline.
As a lake owner I certainly wouldn't make it compulsory to drop the lead, I would make my thoughts known to the anglers and ask them to think twice before doing so. I wouldn't try and dictate to them how they should fish though.
Also inline leads help, more streamline.
As a lake owner I certainly wouldn't make it compulsory to drop the lead, I would make my thoughts known to the anglers and ask them to think twice before doing so. I wouldn't try and dictate to them how they should fish though.
In reply to Post #1
Dropping the lead is most definitely not "the right thing to do". It's unnecessary and was little more than a ploy to sell more leads
If you have no snags and only a little weed then personally I would ban the unnecessary dropping of leads
Dropping the lead is most definitely not "the right thing to do". It's unnecessary and was little more than a ploy to sell more leads
If you have no snags and only a little weed then personally I would ban the unnecessary dropping of leads
In reply to Post #4
I think there is something in this and have had thoughts around this for a while...If they contained a steel ball bearing or enough metal - they could be 'Magnet fished' out from a boat and re sold....
I think there is something in this and have had thoughts around this for a while...If they contained a steel ball bearing or enough metal - they could be 'Magnet fished' out from a boat and re sold....
In reply to Post #6
I think this is where i'm at. I only allow good lads (and girls) on the that know what they are doing so i don't want to start dictating.
But sensible conversations around why they drop leads should be had.
I think this is where i'm at. I only allow good lads (and girls) on the that know what they are doing so i don't want to start dictating.
But sensible conversations around why they drop leads should be had.
In reply to Post #9
I think that's best
And hopefully the comments on here so far will give you the confidence to do that.
One thing you might want to focus your attention is dropping the lead on heli's.
I'm having trouble putting into words the reason why
Can someone help please?
I think that's best
And hopefully the comments on here so far will give you the confidence to do that.
One thing you might want to focus your attention is dropping the lead on heli's.
I'm having trouble putting into words the reason why
Can someone help please?
In reply to Post #10
There was a thread about dropping leads on Heli setups, it was about the top bead not moving up the line in the event of a crack off and the rig becoming a tether rig if it got caught up if a fish picked up the bait on the cracked off rig. Hope this makes sense
There was a thread about dropping leads on Heli setups, it was about the top bead not moving up the line in the event of a crack off and the rig becoming a tether rig if it got caught up if a fish picked up the bait on the cracked off rig. Hope this makes sense
In reply to Post #11
It does. It is due to the lead acting as an anchor point to therefore ais the top bead pulling off and the hooklink sliding free. No lead equals no anchor point, so the ball d is incredibly unlikely to come off, leaving the hooklink and however many feet of leader /line attached to the fish
It does. It is due to the lead acting as an anchor point to therefore ais the top bead pulling off and the hooklink sliding free. No lead equals no anchor point, so the ball d is incredibly unlikely to come off, leaving the hooklink and however many feet of leader /line attached to the fish
In reply to Post #11
The Korda no trace beads should serve as a solution to that problem though.
The Korda no trace beads should serve as a solution to that problem though.
In reply to Post #13
No they dont
No they dont
In reply to Post #14
Oh yes they do.
Oh yes they do.
In reply to Post #14
Could you explain why you think they don't work.
Could you explain why you think they don't work.
In reply to Post #17
They work a treat but only when the lead is still on as per the video link I posted
They work a treat but only when the lead is still on as per the video link I posted
In reply to Post #6
I fish two seriously weedy waters, and never drop leads. 99% of the the time I use in-lines. Bite to landed fish rate is 90%'ish. Work of fiction that you have to drop leads in all but the most extreme of circumstances (severe snags, hyper long range boat stuff, big rivers etc)
I fish two seriously weedy waters, and never drop leads. 99% of the the time I use in-lines. Bite to landed fish rate is 90%'ish. Work of fiction that you have to drop leads in all but the most extreme of circumstances (severe snags, hyper long range boat stuff, big rivers etc)
In reply to Post #17
Nope, but I'll explain why I KNOW they don't work. Because with no lead they have no anchor, and therefore don't work. They still need that anchor point to work properly.
Nope, but I'll explain why I KNOW they don't work. Because with no lead they have no anchor, and therefore don't work. They still need that anchor point to work properly.
In reply to Post #19
Totally agree, same scenario here.
Take angling out of the scenario. If you walked up to someone throwing lead into a water on a regular basis what would you think? Any person in their right mind must surely think what the hell. Lead is a known carcinogen to us, we have no idea what the long term effects are in a watercourse (other than shot) so why would you even think about doing it...for the sake of landing a fish
. Can't believe the antis aren't using dumping the lead against us.
As far as I'm concerned you are a custodian of that water and that doesn't just mean fishing, it means doing the best for the biosystem your caring for.
EDIT, though potential for conflict from author I hope this happens
Clicky
Totally agree, same scenario here.
Take angling out of the scenario. If you walked up to someone throwing lead into a water on a regular basis what would you think? Any person in their right mind must surely think what the hell. Lead is a known carcinogen to us, we have no idea what the long term effects are in a watercourse (other than shot) so why would you even think about doing it...for the sake of landing a fish
. Can't believe the antis aren't using dumping the lead against us. As far as I'm concerned you are a custodian of that water and that doesn't just mean fishing, it means doing the best for the biosystem your caring for.
EDIT, though potential for conflict from author I hope this happens
Clicky
In reply to Post #20
I did not mention dropping the lead. Many people including me have sent in posts about not dropping the lead on helicopter set ups on many threads. Some of which I seem to remember you contributing to. For no trace beads to work you must not drop the lead. Then they work every time. To quote your post
" they still need that anchor point to work properly"
Hmmm!! so they do work.
I did not mention dropping the lead. Many people including me have sent in posts about not dropping the lead on helicopter set ups on many threads. Some of which I seem to remember you contributing to. For no trace beads to work you must not drop the lead. Then they work every time. To quote your post
" they still need that anchor point to work properly"
Hmmm!! so they do work.
Hi All
I hope it's ok to post this, I have no financial interest in these guys
http://ufosinker.com
In my opinion gluing swivels into pebbles and "rocks" was always the best way to go, mainly as I normally row baits out.
I saw an article recently from a named "lovie" who was advocating dumping the leads. Dont get me wrong, he'd had a wonderful session, but his lead dropping antics had left nearly 3lb of lead in the lake in one session......
Makes you wonder.....
Best
Jon
I hope it's ok to post this, I have no financial interest in these guys
http://ufosinker.com
In my opinion gluing swivels into pebbles and "rocks" was always the best way to go, mainly as I normally row baits out.
I saw an article recently from a named "lovie" who was advocating dumping the leads. Dont get me wrong, he'd had a wonderful session, but his lead dropping antics had left nearly 3lb of lead in the lake in one session......
Makes you wonder.....
Best
Jon
Personally I try not to drop the lead unless I absolutely have to, and never with helicopter set-ups. Dropping the lead on heli's creates a potential length of line that can tether up in weed or snags.
In weed I used to use inline leads, losing very few fish or tackle.
In weed I used to use inline leads, losing very few fish or tackle.
In reply to Post #1
If you stood on the bank and threw a 3oz lead in your lake you would be committing a criminal offence.
So what makes it ok to drop that lead any other way?
If you stood on the bank and threw a 3oz lead in your lake you would be committing a criminal offence.
So what makes it ok to drop that lead any other way?
In reply to Post #25
A fact so conveniently ignored by so many.
A fact so conveniently ignored by so many.
Few facts about lead.
Whatever form it is in it is utterly toxic to all forms of life. There are many substances that in large enough amounts are toxic, copper, zinc and salt are 3, but they are essential to life in small amounts. Lead is one of very few elements that is wholly toxic and there are no safe levels.
Lead is incredibly persistent in the environment. Once it is there it doesn't go away. This is because it is not metabolised by living things but remains in their bodies until they die. Then it survives decomposition and is taken by new animals and plants. It doesn't matter if it oxidises or dissolves or combines with other substances it remains lethally toxic to life in all its forms. If you compare the levels of lead in a person born now to one born before 1850 the modern person has 400 times more lead in their bodies, and we are all stuck with it, to all intents for ever. This is largely due to leaded petrol plus the continued manufacture of lead products.
The toxic effects of lead are cumulative. Because living things can't get rid of it, every time they take more in the concentration in their bodies increases and never reduces. This means over time the further up the food chain you go the higher the concentration is. An example is Mercury in swordfish. Mercury being another toxic heavy metal.
Lead has many unpleasant effects on living things., birth defects, neurological damage, tissue damage leading to necrosis and permanent insanity and of course death in many unpleasant ways
Metallic lead is soluble in water. The pH will effect the rate of solubility. It is true that the rate of dissolving is very slow but all the leads that are on the bottom of lakes are dissolving into the environment.
We cannot continue with this fashion of dropping leads. We ARE POISONING OUR WATERS. slowly but nevertheless surely. Remember lead is a gift forever. It makes radiation look like confetti.
Whatever form it is in it is utterly toxic to all forms of life. There are many substances that in large enough amounts are toxic, copper, zinc and salt are 3, but they are essential to life in small amounts. Lead is one of very few elements that is wholly toxic and there are no safe levels.
Lead is incredibly persistent in the environment. Once it is there it doesn't go away. This is because it is not metabolised by living things but remains in their bodies until they die. Then it survives decomposition and is taken by new animals and plants. It doesn't matter if it oxidises or dissolves or combines with other substances it remains lethally toxic to life in all its forms. If you compare the levels of lead in a person born now to one born before 1850 the modern person has 400 times more lead in their bodies, and we are all stuck with it, to all intents for ever. This is largely due to leaded petrol plus the continued manufacture of lead products.
The toxic effects of lead are cumulative. Because living things can't get rid of it, every time they take more in the concentration in their bodies increases and never reduces. This means over time the further up the food chain you go the higher the concentration is. An example is Mercury in swordfish. Mercury being another toxic heavy metal.
Lead has many unpleasant effects on living things., birth defects, neurological damage, tissue damage leading to necrosis and permanent insanity and of course death in many unpleasant ways
Metallic lead is soluble in water. The pH will effect the rate of solubility. It is true that the rate of dissolving is very slow but all the leads that are on the bottom of lakes are dissolving into the environment.
We cannot continue with this fashion of dropping leads. We ARE POISONING OUR WATERS. slowly but nevertheless surely. Remember lead is a gift forever. It makes radiation look like confetti.
In reply to Post #22
You do realise the title of the thread is "dropping the lead"?
You do realise the title of the thread is "dropping the lead"?
In reply to Post #28
That's why I have written about lead and the dangers of dropping it.
That's why I have written about lead and the dangers of dropping it.
In reply to Post #29
So why make dopey comments then?
So why make dopey comments then?
In reply to Post #30
If you disagree with me then argue or discuss the issue if you are capable of it. Petulant childish responses are pointless and make you look foolish.
If you disagree with me then argue or discuss the issue if you are capable of it. Petulant childish responses are pointless and make you look foolish.
In reply to Post #1
"There is a boat within 30 seconds of each peg"
Your lake your rules but you will get anglers who are petrified of getting in a boat and out on the water so first question to any old and new anglers should be do you have a problem with this and then if yes you have a decision to make.
I'll dive straight in a boat and don't have a problem with it but have a few mates that wouldn't entertain it at any cost, then you also have the scenario with people fishing in the recent storms personally I wouldn't like to see anyone out in a boat in those conditions they could also be the only angler at the lake, so what's the solution personally if the fish is solid and they've put the rod in the rest giving enough time for it to start moving again and it hasn't leave it until they can contact someone, "who you ideally" to come and aid with getting the fish or rig free at least then you know everything possible has been done to stop depositing leads and rigs in your lake, in your absence possibly have one or two trusted and likeminded members on hand to be contacted .
"There is a boat within 30 seconds of each peg"
Your lake your rules but you will get anglers who are petrified of getting in a boat and out on the water so first question to any old and new anglers should be do you have a problem with this and then if yes you have a decision to make.
I'll dive straight in a boat and don't have a problem with it but have a few mates that wouldn't entertain it at any cost, then you also have the scenario with people fishing in the recent storms personally I wouldn't like to see anyone out in a boat in those conditions they could also be the only angler at the lake, so what's the solution personally if the fish is solid and they've put the rod in the rest giving enough time for it to start moving again and it hasn't leave it until they can contact someone, "who you ideally" to come and aid with getting the fish or rig free at least then you know everything possible has been done to stop depositing leads and rigs in your lake, in your absence possibly have one or two trusted and likeminded members on hand to be contacted .
In reply to Post #1
I've always been a very strong advocate of when I go fishing “Leave nothing behind what so ever” and always included Leads as well, I utterly hate losing them even by accident.
Dropping Leads intentionally is something I would never dream of doing regardless of where I'm fishing, if the weed is so bad that I would need too I won't fish that area – fish safety is paramount in my view, remove the weed.
But I've yet to find a dead tethered fish caused by a Lead – everyone I ever found dead ,all had one common denominator Leadcore!
But I would be very careful with the boats if I was you , as the saying goes “When the cats away the mice will play” there's always that one stroke puller who will take his rigs out in a boat to areas most sensible anglers would not dream of doing, when nobody is about. My boats are chained up at both Lakes, only I have a Key.
I've always been a very strong advocate of when I go fishing “Leave nothing behind what so ever” and always included Leads as well, I utterly hate losing them even by accident.
Dropping Leads intentionally is something I would never dream of doing regardless of where I'm fishing, if the weed is so bad that I would need too I won't fish that area – fish safety is paramount in my view, remove the weed.
But I've yet to find a dead tethered fish caused by a Lead – everyone I ever found dead ,all had one common denominator Leadcore!
But I would be very careful with the boats if I was you , as the saying goes “When the cats away the mice will play” there's always that one stroke puller who will take his rigs out in a boat to areas most sensible anglers would not dream of doing, when nobody is about. My boats are chained up at both Lakes, only I have a Key.
Never dropped a lead and have always believed it is a ridiculous practice. You are deliberately causing harm to the lake and its environment.
I have fished weedy lakes at distance and with good sense have never had an issue with running rigs or helicopter rigs. The same with Barbel fishing on the river if a fish weeds you good angling practice walking a few paces downstream frees the fish.
I have fished weedy lakes at distance and with good sense have never had an issue with running rigs or helicopter rigs. The same with Barbel fishing on the river if a fish weeds you good angling practice walking a few paces downstream frees the fish.
In reply to Post #31
Oh the irony.....
Oh the irony.....
In reply to Post #33
I wholly agree about the leadcore comment, but have a memory that includes fixed lead systems pre- semi fixed days, when fish were totally unable to eject the lead, leads locked onto the mainline/hooklink swivel with snap links, or even a lead fixed in place between swivels, (which we know are a death rig) so in the event of a break, fish were trailing lead, line and rig, must be 1980's time.
The other obvious problem is tail rubbers jammed or glued on leadclips, an item of tackle I personally don't like.
I have freed a number of fish tethered on leadcore from snags myself, both from a boat and by having to wade in.
In terms of boats, on my new syndicate, there are boats if a fish gets caught up in weed. You can only use them if there is someone else on the water, and life jackets must be used.
I wholly agree about the leadcore comment, but have a memory that includes fixed lead systems pre- semi fixed days, when fish were totally unable to eject the lead, leads locked onto the mainline/hooklink swivel with snap links, or even a lead fixed in place between swivels, (which we know are a death rig) so in the event of a break, fish were trailing lead, line and rig, must be 1980's time.
The other obvious problem is tail rubbers jammed or glued on leadclips, an item of tackle I personally don't like.
I have freed a number of fish tethered on leadcore from snags myself, both from a boat and by having to wade in.
In terms of boats, on my new syndicate, there are boats if a fish gets caught up in weed. You can only use them if there is someone else on the water, and life jackets must be used.
In reply to Post #24
Not trying to dig you out personally Nick, but this is a good example of something I see a lot on here that seems incredibly contradictory.
It's everyone's opinion that it's downright sacrilege to drop a lead on a helicopter as it could leave the fish trailing more than a link. Fair... but if that's the argument I assume every one of you exclusively uses helicopters that keep the lead, for every element of your angling?! Nonsense... half the guys/gals on here are forever singing the praises of running rigs for a start.
Nick, you say yourself that you use/used inlines in weed. What happens if you get cut off mate? And any of you that use clips, running rigs etc?
Regardless of the lead being on or off, a lead clip, running rig or inline setup will 100% leave the fish trailing line/leader in the event of a cut off. Exactly the same as a heli-safe that's set to drop the lead MIGHT (at least there is a chance, however small, that the bead could discharge).
Why do people preach the helicopter thing so often but advocate the use of lead systems that, in the event of a cut off, result in the exact same situation? I'd even argue that it's worse because it's guaranteed?!
I've never seen anyone saying “YOU SHOULD NEVER USE A LEADCLIP”.
Not trying to dig you out personally Nick, but this is a good example of something I see a lot on here that seems incredibly contradictory.
It's everyone's opinion that it's downright sacrilege to drop a lead on a helicopter as it could leave the fish trailing more than a link. Fair... but if that's the argument I assume every one of you exclusively uses helicopters that keep the lead, for every element of your angling?! Nonsense... half the guys/gals on here are forever singing the praises of running rigs for a start.
Nick, you say yourself that you use/used inlines in weed. What happens if you get cut off mate? And any of you that use clips, running rigs etc?
Regardless of the lead being on or off, a lead clip, running rig or inline setup will 100% leave the fish trailing line/leader in the event of a cut off. Exactly the same as a heli-safe that's set to drop the lead MIGHT (at least there is a chance, however small, that the bead could discharge).
Why do people preach the helicopter thing so often but advocate the use of lead systems that, in the event of a cut off, result in the exact same situation? I'd even argue that it's worse because it's guaranteed?!
I've never seen anyone saying “YOU SHOULD NEVER USE A LEADCLIP”.
In reply to Post #37
And that is exactly why I now exclusively use heli rigs, the only set-up that the fish has at least a chance of shedding any trailing line
And that is exactly why I now exclusively use heli rigs, the only set-up that the fish has at least a chance of shedding any trailing line
In reply to Post #37
In reply to Post #37
As far as naked setups yeah I agree, but most use leaders with heli setups and that's where the risk goes up. I use Leadclip for 99% of my angling, but never with a leader. If I need a leader I'll use a heli but don't like them as I've found I drop way more fish on them compared to Leadclip setups (no idea why tbh). I use the Leadclip as I want the lead to drop if it becomes caught up, not just for the sake of it. Not something you can do with a heli. I think if people really do insist on dropping leads with heli setups then he going back to something like the old cv safety rigs would be better than no trace beads etc (if anyone remembers those)
As far as naked setups yeah I agree, but most use leaders with heli setups and that's where the risk goes up. I use Leadclip for 99% of my angling, but never with a leader. If I need a leader I'll use a heli but don't like them as I've found I drop way more fish on them compared to Leadclip setups (no idea why tbh). I use the Leadclip as I want the lead to drop if it becomes caught up, not just for the sake of it. Not something you can do with a heli. I think if people really do insist on dropping leads with heli setups then he going back to something like the old cv safety rigs would be better than no trace beads etc (if anyone remembers those)
In reply to Post #35
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In reply to Post #37
No rig is perfectly safe
Wherever possible my preferred set up is an inline lead with 12" of tubing. If the main line parts then it's unlikely the lead and tubing won't be able slide off.
No rig is perfectly safe
Wherever possible my preferred set up is an inline lead with 12" of tubing. If the main line parts then it's unlikely the lead and tubing won't be able slide off.
In reply to Post #40
Do you see what I mean though Ian? You are often the most vocal regarding the heli and dropping leads debate but use clips for your fishing which would result in the exact outcome that you always say is unacceptable .
I don't understand why fishing without a leader substantiates anything... Does naked line never catch on anything? Does it just slip through obstacles until they get rid of the hook? Of course it doesn't.
I appreciate that leaders are generally stronger and more abrasion resistant, but 15lb+ mono/fluro takes some breaking as we all know, and has as much potential to tether fish as anything else does, imo.
Do you see what I mean though Ian? You are often the most vocal regarding the heli and dropping leads debate but use clips for your fishing which would result in the exact outcome that you always say is unacceptable
.I don't understand why fishing without a leader substantiates anything... Does naked line never catch on anything? Does it just slip through obstacles until they get rid of the hook? Of course it doesn't.
I appreciate that leaders are generally stronger and more abrasion resistant, but 15lb+ mono/fluro takes some breaking as we all know, and has as much potential to tether fish as anything else does, imo.
In reply to Post #43
As I've just explained yes I'm vocal about it, and imo a leader makes a huge difference. If you drop the lead on a naked heli then no, it's no worse than a Leadclip or running set up. But as most use some form of leader, which are normally considerably stronger than mainline, and more prone to coiling, tangling etc, then the lead is needed. The real key is to fish strong enough and sensible enough to not lose kit in the first place, and to minimise risk as much as possible. If leads are "needed" to be dropped then I suggest that spot isn't suitable to fish in the first place. This fad for dropping leads hasn't been round long in the grand scheme of things, and we always did ok back before.....
As I've just explained yes I'm vocal about it, and imo a leader makes a huge difference. If you drop the lead on a naked heli then no, it's no worse than a Leadclip or running set up. But as most use some form of leader, which are normally considerably stronger than mainline, and more prone to coiling, tangling etc, then the lead is needed. The real key is to fish strong enough and sensible enough to not lose kit in the first place, and to minimise risk as much as possible. If leads are "needed" to be dropped then I suggest that spot isn't suitable to fish in the first place. This fad for dropping leads hasn't been round long in the grand scheme of things, and we always did ok back before.....
In reply to Post #40
"I use the Leadclip as I want the lead to drop if it becomes caught up, not just for the sake of it. Not something you can do with a heli."
You can fish a Heli with a breakaway C clip or weak link so if the lead does get rattled up it can come away same principle as only dropping them on a safety clip, no?
"I use the Leadclip as I want the lead to drop if it becomes caught up, not just for the sake of it. Not something you can do with a heli."
You can fish a Heli with a breakaway C clip or weak link so if the lead does get rattled up it can come away same principle as only dropping them on a safety clip, no?
In reply to Post #45
Not used the c clip things so can't comment on them, but yeah I guess on a weak link it would be ok, if not a bit of a faff.
I just don't get the need for people to drop leads, it really isn't needed. And if people really want to then they should be using stones tied on rather than leads. I dread to think of the amount of lead sitting on the bottom of some of the busier places these days
Not used the c clip things so can't comment on them, but yeah I guess on a weak link it would be ok, if not a bit of a faff.
I just don't get the need for people to drop leads, it really isn't needed. And if people really want to then they should be using stones tied on rather than leads. I dread to think of the amount of lead sitting on the bottom of some of the busier places these days
In reply to Post #1
In theory the pb products hit n run lead clip setup is probably the safest out there but doubt anyone bothers to use that instead of a standard lead clip . I use these in the rare occasion I dont use a heli setup
You are left with just the hook link in the carps mouth
See below
link
In theory the pb products hit n run lead clip setup is probably the safest out there but doubt anyone bothers to use that instead of a standard lead clip . I use these in the rare occasion I dont use a heli setup
You are left with just the hook link in the carps mouth
See below
link
In reply to Post #37
No problems Mate, I know what you are saying about inlines, and whether they can release.
Me personally I played with various systems or items so that the lead could come off if I got snapped off.
The things I found were that neoprene sleeves on the base of the tubing through the lead and rubber tulip beads allowed the lead to come off the swivel if you got snapped off.
No problems Mate, I know what you are saying about inlines, and whether they can release.
Me personally I played with various systems or items so that the lead could come off if I got snapped off.
The things I found were that neoprene sleeves on the base of the tubing through the lead and rubber tulip beads allowed the lead to come off the swivel if you got snapped off.
In reply to Post #23
Jon,
Thanks for putting up this link - great in principle. Love what they are doing technically. Not sure i'd want an alien head as a weight - But I'm going to look into this option more.
Thanks
Jon,
Thanks for putting up this link - great in principle. Love what they are doing technically. Not sure i'd want an alien head as a weight - But I'm going to look into this option more.
Thanks
In reply to Post #1
I'm also a lake owner and last year put a rule in banning the dropping of leads. Not one member complained, which did surprise me.
This year I streamlined the rules, including the one about the dropping of leads and yet most of the members from last season have carried on fishing the same as last year.
Personally I haven't dropped a lead, or used a lead clip in about six years.
I'm also a lake owner and last year put a rule in banning the dropping of leads. Not one member complained, which did surprise me.
This year I streamlined the rules, including the one about the dropping of leads and yet most of the members from last season have carried on fishing the same as last year.
Personally I haven't dropped a lead, or used a lead clip in about six years.
A friend of mine goes to a certain lake in france every year , when he gets there he buys leads from the owner at a nominal price and only those leads can be used at the lake . All of those leads have a ball bearing inside which the owner uses to collect the dropped leads every winter by magnet fishing as most anglers are fishing regular spots when they go . great idea and wouldn't work on every lake but food for thought for any responsible fishing owners
In reply to Post #51
It must be a very special magnet to latch on to a relatively small ball bearing encapsulated in lead.
It must be a very special magnet to latch on to a relatively small ball bearing encapsulated in lead.
In reply to Post #52
Must be a very big ball bearing and an electro magnet so powerful that you could not operate it if you have a pacemaker fitted.
Must be a very big ball bearing and an electro magnet so powerful that you could not operate it if you have a pacemaker fitted.
In reply to Post #51
That isn't real surely?
just sounds to me like the lake owner has found a way to make a few extra quid by making people buy his leads 
That isn't real surely?
just sounds to me like the lake owner has found a way to make a few extra quid by making people buy his leads
In reply to Post #27
Really good post thanks - thanks for taking the time to add it.
I think its fair to say that everyone is in agreement that dropping the lead isn't a good thing.
I did catch a fish earlier this year, still trailing a small lead - and it made a mess - so there are a few things to consider.
Inline leads i don't have an issue with. They aren't getting dropped.
If people are using a lead clip - then I need to find/create and enforce an alternative.
There has to be big mindset change in the carp Angling world - Somebody put it well in a previous reply - If i saw somebody stood on the bank throwing bits of lead into my lake - I'd probably slap them... yet I allow it everyday.
Thanks so much for all the comments. It's confirmed it is an issue that needs to be tackled sooner rather than later.
Cheers
Really good post thanks - thanks for taking the time to add it.
I think its fair to say that everyone is in agreement that dropping the lead isn't a good thing.
I did catch a fish earlier this year, still trailing a small lead - and it made a mess - so there are a few things to consider.
Inline leads i don't have an issue with. They aren't getting dropped.
If people are using a lead clip - then I need to find/create and enforce an alternative.
There has to be big mindset change in the carp Angling world - Somebody put it well in a previous reply - If i saw somebody stood on the bank throwing bits of lead into my lake - I'd probably slap them... yet I allow it everyday.
Thanks so much for all the comments. It's confirmed it is an issue that needs to be tackled sooner rather than later.
Cheers
In reply to Post #55
you may be surprised at the number of people that fish inlines as drop off style the lead has the rig swivel plugged into the bottom but instead of a leader going through the inline it goes outside then through the top rubber which is pushed onto the lead. on a take the lead pulls free
you may be surprised at the number of people that fish inlines as drop off style the lead has the rig swivel plugged into the bottom but instead of a leader going through the inline it goes outside then through the top rubber which is pushed onto the lead. on a take the lead pulls free
In reply to Post #56
I don't agree with lead dropping but I tried drop off inlines on a French lake where normal inline lead were not allowed but found the lead dropped off far too easily for my liking, so I took them off and went over to normal lead clips to get more control on how much pressure is needed to release the lead.
I don't agree with lead dropping but I tried drop off inlines on a French lake where normal inline lead were not allowed but found the lead dropped off far too easily for my liking, so I took them off and went over to normal lead clips to get more control on how much pressure is needed to release the lead.
In reply to Post #57
I will just add its not something i have ever done was just pointing out to mike that it can and does get done
I will just add its not something i have ever done was just pointing out to mike that it can and does get done
In reply to Post #58
In reply to Post #58
It get's done way too often.....
Just no need......
It get's done way too often.....
Just no need......
In reply to Post #51
I think this is a great idea...
It gives an option for future generations to get them out...
A magnet would grab hold of a ball bearing no problem.
I think this is a great idea...
It gives an option for future generations to get them out...
A magnet would grab hold of a ball bearing no problem.
In reply to Post #57
Depends on what system you're using. I've used 1.5oz leads in my small pva bags before on a short hooklink, they would rarely come off only when I loosened my tail rubber onto the lead would it drop. I'm not sure I'd get the same results with a 3-4oz lead but I've never had that problem.
Depends on what system you're using. I've used 1.5oz leads in my small pva bags before on a short hooklink, they would rarely come off only when I loosened my tail rubber onto the lead would it drop. I'm not sure I'd get the same results with a 3-4oz lead but I've never had that problem.
In reply to Post #8
Brilliant idea..
Brilliant idea..
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