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In reply to Post #1
Leadclip - running - bad
Leadclip - running - bad
In reply to Post #1
Running Leadclip all the time.
Safer (in my opinion), more convenient, and more effective.
This is fishing mono straight through - no bits, knots etc. above the lead.
Running Leadclip all the time.
Safer (in my opinion), more convenient, and more effective.
This is fishing mono straight through - no bits, knots etc. above the lead.
In reply to Post #5
How is it safer?
How is it safer?
In reply to Post #6
If it's fixed, many scenarios where the lead won't release.
If it's fixed, many scenarios where the lead won't release.
In reply to Post #7
Go on then, what scenarios?
Go on then, what scenarios?
In reply to Post #8
The fish will drag the lead clip and lead around until the leadclip snags up against something.
The leadclip\swivel lead the way, the lead is just dangling behind.
The lead will only come off if the leadclip doesn't snag.
Sure, the lead in some scenarios can snag up before the leadclip does, but not enough in my opinion.
The trouble is, people watch these videos where the hand grips hold of the lead and pulls it off, but there are no hands under water.
And then you have this problem of many anglers putting the tail rubber on too tight.
You only have to look at some of the mouths on popular day ticket waters where most anglers are using fixed leadclips... figures.
The fish will drag the lead clip and lead around until the leadclip snags up against something.
The leadclip\swivel lead the way, the lead is just dangling behind.
The lead will only come off if the leadclip doesn't snag.
Sure, the lead in some scenarios can snag up before the leadclip does, but not enough in my opinion.
The trouble is, people watch these videos where the hand grips hold of the lead and pulls it off, but there are no hands under water.
And then you have this problem of many anglers putting the tail rubber on too tight.
You only have to look at some of the mouths on popular day ticket waters where most anglers are using fixed leadclips... figures.
In reply to Post #9
Leadclip - unnecessary
Running lead clip - bad
Heli clip - most bad
Blaming leadclip for mouth damage - way off the mark
In the spirit of keeping this thread civil I won't say any more than that.
Leadclip - unnecessary
Running lead clip - bad
Heli clip - most bad
Blaming leadclip for mouth damage - way off the mark
In the spirit of keeping this thread civil I won't say any more than that.
In reply to Post #10
Whats the problem with heli clip, ?????
apart from they fall off when you dont want them to
Whats the problem with heli clip, ?????
apart from they fall off when you dont want them to
In reply to Post #11
I'm talking the korda ones that are designed to eject the lead on a heli setup. Simple physics should indicate what's bad about them and it's been done to death on here. It's also off-topic so I probably shouldn't have mentioned it.
I'm talking the korda ones that are designed to eject the lead on a heli setup. Simple physics should indicate what's bad about them and it's been done to death on here. It's also off-topic so I probably shouldn't have mentioned it.
In reply to Post #12
It's also off-topic so I probably shouldn't have mentioned it ?
oh well, must be very simple physics then as its another con the angler gadget
It's also off-topic so I probably shouldn't have mentioned it ?
oh well, must be very simple physics then as its another con the angler gadget
In reply to Post #13
A recent rig thread went off topic & was locked, must behave in this one. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I personally don't agree with them but let's keep this to the running/fixed leadclip debate.
A recent rig thread went off topic & was locked, must behave in this one. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I personally don't agree with them but let's keep this to the running/fixed leadclip debate.
In reply to Post #16
Cheers Chuffy. Saves me having to explain it!
Cheers Chuffy. Saves me having to explain it!
In reply to Post #15
Apparently it creates a wonderful 'shocker' rig 🤷♂️
Apparently it creates a wonderful 'shocker' rig 🤷♂️
In reply to Post #15
I've yet to find a run rig kit I really like. Alot of them have too much bells and whistles on them and there is more flaffing about changing leads.
Also, and I'm not sure why, I tend to get less tangles with a leadclip.
Bigger reason though, is I like to lightly push the leadclip onto the swivel (which I like to crush down slightly) , for, IMHO, better chance of a hookup.
I've yet to find a run rig kit I really like. Alot of them have too much bells and whistles on them and there is more flaffing about changing leads.
Also, and I'm not sure why, I tend to get less tangles with a leadclip.
Bigger reason though, is I like to lightly push the leadclip onto the swivel (which I like to crush down slightly) , for, IMHO, better chance of a hookup.
In reply to Post #19
Ive used running leads for 90% of my fishing for a long time probably around 15 years i can honestly say i haven't had any more tangles using them than either a heli set up or leadclip.
Originally i used to use a normal buffer type bead to stop the lead but after korda brought out there run rig rubber i switched over to that, i cut the swivels off my leads and attach them to an esp large bore swivel and quick link covered in 3mm silicon sleeves, it literally takes seconds to remove/ swap leads is no more obtrusive on the bottom than a lead clip.
if i wanted to make the lead break away i swop the quick link for a plastic c clip but i wouldn't use a running rig fishing in weed.
Anyone that thinks a running lead clip and tail rubber with a small bore is as safe as a large bore run ring does not understand basic physics.
I dont dispute that a running leadclip can come off the line in a lot of instances but there are instances where they haven't which has resulted in dead fish, why take the risk when it isn't needed?
Ive used running leads for 90% of my fishing for a long time probably around 15 years i can honestly say i haven't had any more tangles using them than either a heli set up or leadclip.
Originally i used to use a normal buffer type bead to stop the lead but after korda brought out there run rig rubber i switched over to that, i cut the swivels off my leads and attach them to an esp large bore swivel and quick link covered in 3mm silicon sleeves, it literally takes seconds to remove/ swap leads is no more obtrusive on the bottom than a lead clip.
if i wanted to make the lead break away i swop the quick link for a plastic c clip but i wouldn't use a running rig fishing in weed.
Anyone that thinks a running lead clip and tail rubber with a small bore is as safe as a large bore run ring does not understand basic physics.
I dont dispute that a running leadclip can come off the line in a lot of instances but there are instances where they haven't which has resulted in dead fish, why take the risk when it isn't needed?
In reply to Post #19
Look at the korum run rig kit, there's a nice little vid showing how quick it is to set up. Once done it literally takes 5 seconds to remove/change the lead.
Look at the korum run rig kit, there's a nice little vid showing how quick it is to set up. Once done it literally takes 5 seconds to remove/change the lead.
A running lead clip what ever way it's dressed up or made out to be is just a semi-fixed lead set up , you either like them or you don't , nobody is right or wrong and everybody has an opinion , some dafter than others but I'll move on ,...
I've said my piece in the locked thread so I'll leave it there , if anybody wants to know why a running lead clip can be used instead of a run ring then look at the answer in the locked thread
I've said my piece in the locked thread so I'll leave it there , if anybody wants to know why a running lead clip can be used instead of a run ring then look at the answer in the locked thread
In reply to Post #23
Hope you can keep it civil here without the insults. Do you think the 'shocker' aspect of your rig is worth the extra risk that a large bore run ring would completely eliminate?
Hope you can keep it civil here without the insults. Do you think the 'shocker' aspect of your rig is worth the extra risk that a large bore run ring would completely eliminate?
In reply to Post #20
Hi Josh,
I often use a true run rig on the Rivers.
I use a lead which have a fairly large eyed swivel, stick a piece of rubber sleeve over that lead swivel, down onto the lead, so all that's showing is the large eye of the swivel, stick it onto the mainline which has a ESP helicopter sleeve sitting over the hooklink swivel, which I cut down. (less rubber the better)
I will try a proper run rig in the future, maybe the larger bore eye would be an advantage, maybe catch one and I'll feel more confident using one.
Hi Josh,
I often use a true run rig on the Rivers.
I use a lead which have a fairly large eyed swivel, stick a piece of rubber sleeve over that lead swivel, down onto the lead, so all that's showing is the large eye of the swivel, stick it onto the mainline which has a ESP helicopter sleeve sitting over the hooklink swivel, which I cut down. (less rubber the better)
I will try a proper run rig in the future, maybe the larger bore eye would be an advantage, maybe catch one and I'll feel more confident using one.
In reply to Post #25
Going off topic now discussing true running rigs, but they do offer vastly better bite indication \ runs .
Going off topic now discussing true running rigs, but they do offer vastly better bite indication \ runs .
In reply to Post #22
Will take a look, thnx.
Like I say, will try some out and see how it goes.
Will take a look, thnx.
Like I say, will try some out and see how it goes.
In reply to Post #23
Sorry, no, it is only semi-fixed when fished with a tight line, where it becomes the original bolt rig as per Kevin Maddock's drawings in Carp Fever.
If you fish it with a slack line, then it is truly a running lead. However as I stated in the locked thread, it really only works safely with a large bore run ring😉
Sorry, no, it is only semi-fixed when fished with a tight line, where it becomes the original bolt rig as per Kevin Maddock's drawings in Carp Fever.
If you fish it with a slack line, then it is truly a running lead. However as I stated in the locked thread, it really only works safely with a large bore run ring😉
In reply to Post #24
It's not my rig , it's a rig that's been round a long long time , I don't use it in my fishing as I mostly fish big snaggy waters abroad , I don't see the problem fishing it in a lake with no snags .
Please explain to me a safe rig bearing in mind you wrote this in the locked thread ....
I fail to see how a trailing line with no leader attached can pick up weed or debris - Wrap some mono around a tree then pull for a break. What happens to the broken end of the line? You'll see that it coils up. This can easily attract weed or twigs. A tiny bit of weed then attracts more weed. I've seen it happen and had it happen to myself. Fishing mono straight through I lost a fish due to a breakage (large bore running lead). On retrieving the slack mono it got snagged. Waded out & found it had got snagged in weed. The lose end had got snarled up.
In your scenario if the lead drops off the line still wouldn't pass through the weeded up clip hole. The lead has no bearing on whether the line will pass through.
My answer ... minus the insults to keep on track ...
so youre saying any rig that leaves any sort of line behind a fish is a bad rig then as it can get snagged obviously as you mentioned your mainline getting snagged ? Or does it just happen with a running lead clip ?
I can do sarcasm too if you find it acceptable
It's not my rig , it's a rig that's been round a long long time , I don't use it in my fishing as I mostly fish big snaggy waters abroad , I don't see the problem fishing it in a lake with no snags .
Please explain to me a safe rig bearing in mind you wrote this in the locked thread ....
I fail to see how a trailing line with no leader attached can pick up weed or debris - Wrap some mono around a tree then pull for a break. What happens to the broken end of the line? You'll see that it coils up. This can easily attract weed or twigs. A tiny bit of weed then attracts more weed. I've seen it happen and had it happen to myself. Fishing mono straight through I lost a fish due to a breakage (large bore running lead). On retrieving the slack mono it got snagged. Waded out & found it had got snagged in weed. The lose end had got snarled up.
In your scenario if the lead drops off the line still wouldn't pass through the weeded up clip hole. The lead has no bearing on whether the line will pass through.
My answer ... minus the insults to keep on track ...
so youre saying any rig that leaves any sort of line behind a fish is a bad rig then as it can get snagged obviously as you mentioned your mainline getting snagged ? Or does it just happen with a running lead clip ?
I can do sarcasm too if you find it acceptable
In reply to Post #30
It is the size of the hole bore that creates the risk. A leadclip has a tiny hole compared to a run ring. The 'break knot' and attached coils of line can be too large to go through the bore of the leadclip, whereas a run ring can pass over it.
The non discharged lead CAN help the bore pass over the broken end of line, by snagging up and the line being pulled through it. However equally this can become a permanently fixed lead. With a run ring you are less likely to get the lead needing to be snagged up.
A quick point for you though, on most occasions of a fish break-off, it is usually the hooklink to mainline knot that gives way, the knot cuts through itself. If you crack-off on the cast, or it goes through a snag and cuts off the mainline by abrasion, that is when you leave trailing line. With those you must not have any fixed lead.
In my view lead clips are a total no use item of tackle, there are better ways to make a semi-fixed lead; John Roberts beads and a piece of tubing or sleeve holding over the swivel.
It is the size of the hole bore that creates the risk. A leadclip has a tiny hole compared to a run ring. The 'break knot' and attached coils of line can be too large to go through the bore of the leadclip, whereas a run ring can pass over it.
The non discharged lead CAN help the bore pass over the broken end of line, by snagging up and the line being pulled through it. However equally this can become a permanently fixed lead. With a run ring you are less likely to get the lead needing to be snagged up.
A quick point for you though, on most occasions of a fish break-off, it is usually the hooklink to mainline knot that gives way, the knot cuts through itself. If you crack-off on the cast, or it goes through a snag and cuts off the mainline by abrasion, that is when you leave trailing line. With those you must not have any fixed lead.
In my view lead clips are a total no use item of tackle, there are better ways to make a semi-fixed lead; John Roberts beads and a piece of tubing or sleeve holding over the swivel.
In reply to Post #30
Fishing in the manner in which we as carp anglers generally do carries risk. Sticking hooks in fish and reeling them in on heavy mono with leads swinging about obviously carries risk so we're not starting from a completely safe position.
Therefore we should be doing what we can to reduce that risk as much as we can. What you're doing, by using a running leadclip is increasing that risk. I did explain my comments further but you've chosen not to copy that across.
By all means resort to sarcasm, it's an improvement on playground name calling.
Fishing in the manner in which we as carp anglers generally do carries risk. Sticking hooks in fish and reeling them in on heavy mono with leads swinging about obviously carries risk so we're not starting from a completely safe position.
Therefore we should be doing what we can to reduce that risk as much as we can. What you're doing, by using a running leadclip is increasing that risk. I did explain my comments further but you've chosen not to copy that across.
By all means resort to sarcasm, it's an improvement on playground name calling.
In reply to Post #28
I think alot of the time fish hook themselves as the (try) to spit the hook out, regardless of the line drag \ weight in the water.
The hook *****s and they panick.
Back on topic, I won't be dropping my 'semi-fixed running lead clips' just yet, just for the fact my fishing improved when I started using them, and I strongly believe they are safer running than true fixed, for the reasons I gave in previous post.
I think alot of the time fish hook themselves as the (try) to spit the hook out, regardless of the line drag \ weight in the water.
The hook *****s and they panick.
Back on topic, I won't be dropping my 'semi-fixed running lead clips' just yet, just for the fact my fishing improved when I started using them, and I strongly believe they are safer running than true fixed, for the reasons I gave in previous post.
In reply to Post #31
So what happens if the bore ring gets clogged up with weed ? It's physically larger than a lead clip in diameter, at least a lead can discharge from a lead clip , a big ring with a lead on it is never going to discharge .
Scenario ....Think of both rigs on the lake bottom , both have snapped off with weed / crud all jammed round them because the line has curled like what Boysie said up upon snap off and is stopping both leads from coming free from the end of the line .
Which lead is more likely to come free ? Easy ... the lead clip , because it's designed to discharge a lead when it comes in contact with weed or snags .
If you're line is jammed up the wrong side of the lead , no amount of pulling or size of bore ring will matter , but if the lead ejects the fish at least has a chance to pull free
So what happens if the bore ring gets clogged up with weed ? It's physically larger than a lead clip in diameter, at least a lead can discharge from a lead clip , a big ring with a lead on it is never going to discharge .
Scenario ....Think of both rigs on the lake bottom , both have snapped off with weed / crud all jammed round them because the line has curled like what Boysie said up upon snap off and is stopping both leads from coming free from the end of the line .
Which lead is more likely to come free ? Easy ... the lead clip , because it's designed to discharge a lead when it comes in contact with weed or snags .
If you're line is jammed up the wrong side of the lead , no amount of pulling or size of bore ring will matter , but if the lead ejects the fish at least has a chance to pull free
In reply to Post #34
A lead on a proper run ring will come free far easier than a lead in a leadclip. In the leadclip, force is needed in a particular direction in order to release it.
A lead on a proper run ring will come free far easier than a lead in a leadclip. In the leadclip, force is needed in a particular direction in order to release it.
In reply to Post #35
What if the line behind the lead is snagged up just like you mentioned ?
How then does the lead come off when it's fixed to a ring ?
What if the line behind the lead is snagged up just like you mentioned ?
How then does the lead come off when it's fixed to a ring ?
In reply to Post #37
Ok if your casting small leads small distances but small leads with running rigs defeats the object , them C clips you mention are dangerous and could cost an angler his life if a lead came free on a large cast , good for marginal work but not for casting any distance , as you said they open under a small amount of pressure
Ok if your casting small leads small distances but small leads with running rigs defeats the object , them C clips you mention are dangerous and could cost an angler his life if a lead came free on a large cast , good for marginal work but not for casting any distance , as you said they open under a small amount of pressure
In reply to Post #39
God you're like a big kid
Just because someone said that running rigs with small leads work best with small leads doesn't mean it's right
‘Documented' ****ing hilarious 😂
Did you mention Ken too and what he writes ?
God you're like a big kid
Just because someone said that running rigs with small leads work best with small leads doesn't mean it's right ‘Documented' ****ing hilarious 😂
Did you mention Ken too and what he writes ?
In reply to Post #41
That's it mate you stick to the mags and the videos/ forums
That's it mate you stick to the mags and the videos/ forums
In reply to Post #36
Have a look at a proper running lead clip. The lead is mounted on a breakaway section.
Have a look at a proper running lead clip. The lead is mounted on a breakaway section.
Whats peoples views on running leadclip with tubing pushed into tail rubber thats been put out there by a high profile angler, i personally think it makes the rig more dangerous?
In reply to Post #44
Another step towards making it even more risky, in my opinion.
Another step towards making it even more risky, in my opinion.
In reply to Post #40
Have a read of THIS, by a highly respected angler and fishery owner, see what you think
Have a read of THIS, by a highly respected angler and fishery owner, see what you think
In reply to Post #44
Still safer than a truly fixed leadclip in my opinion.
Woudn't recommend it of course.
Still safer than a truly fixed leadclip in my opinion.
Woudn't recommend it of course.
In reply to Post #47
Pb products hit and run system has to be the safest out there I can't fault it
Pb products hit and run system has to be the safest out there I can't fault it
In reply to Post #34
I'm sorry, but which part of an unfixed lead clip can't discharge the lead don't you get?
Unless the lead clip is attached to the hooklink swivel, by pin, or tied, not the pushed click onto swivel type, it will not eject the lead. The click lock lead clips can pull free from the swivel, making them unsafe in their own right.
The tail rubber can not move unless it is pushed free from a fixed in place lead clip. If the lead clip can move on the line it can not eject.
The SIZE of the bore, the hole in the run ring means it would have to be a large knot for that not to pass over, the lead in itself is helping the line go through the run ring. It only takes a tiny knot or piece of rubbish for the lead clip to be unable to pass over the knot and line.
I have pictures of lead clips tangled up in weed and snags that have not ejected the lead, some still with fake baits attached. In one picture I think it was four leads I retrieved still attached to a bundle of crud.
Lead clips should not be used for running set-ups, simple as!
Personally I gave up reading mags when I noticed how often dangerous set-ups were being published, and started trying to make that point on forums. It might be worth asking Moorsey about that as he was asked to write an article in defence of the point I was trying to make. The magazine editor even refused to allow me to publish his replies to me, which for some reason I honoured even though they got quite offensive, as did the reply in the magazine against my concerns.
I'm sorry, but which part of an unfixed lead clip can't discharge the lead don't you get?
Unless the lead clip is attached to the hooklink swivel, by pin, or tied, not the pushed click onto swivel type, it will not eject the lead. The click lock lead clips can pull free from the swivel, making them unsafe in their own right.
The tail rubber can not move unless it is pushed free from a fixed in place lead clip. If the lead clip can move on the line it can not eject.
The SIZE of the bore, the hole in the run ring means it would have to be a large knot for that not to pass over, the lead in itself is helping the line go through the run ring. It only takes a tiny knot or piece of rubbish for the lead clip to be unable to pass over the knot and line.
I have pictures of lead clips tangled up in weed and snags that have not ejected the lead, some still with fake baits attached. In one picture I think it was four leads I retrieved still attached to a bundle of crud.
Lead clips should not be used for running set-ups, simple as!
Personally I gave up reading mags when I noticed how often dangerous set-ups were being published, and started trying to make that point on forums. It might be worth asking Moorsey about that as he was asked to write an article in defence of the point I was trying to make. The magazine editor even refused to allow me to publish his replies to me, which for some reason I honoured even though they got quite offensive, as did the reply in the magazine against my concerns.
In reply to Post #49
Unfortunately Nick you're arguing with someone who would rather fish dangerously than admit that they're wrong on this occasion.
Unfortunately Nick you're arguing with someone who would rather fish dangerously than admit that they're wrong on this occasion.
In reply to Post #50
Can I just be rude to him instead then?😖😅😉
Can I just be rude to him instead then?😖😅😉
In reply to Post #52
Don't lower yourself to his level
Don't lower yourself to his level
In reply to Post #49
You're not getting what I'm saying at all .
What if the line cracks off and curls up at the end gathering crud AS it travels through the water , the leadclip with lead will travel down this line till it meets the crud if it isn't snagged , same as a running lead , the lead would more likely discharge on debris being towed along the bottom if the lead clip is set up correctly as it should , the running lead can't discharge if it's on a fixed run ring can it ? , the running lead could then become tethered halting the fish in its tracks . What part of this scenario don't you understand ?
You can't see into the water and watch what happens to each and every fish or particular cracked of rig that has been picked up by a fish , you are just trying to make 1 situation to suit what happens if the lead can slide of the line , what happens if It CANT ? My scenario was based on what Boysie posted up with the line curling up at the end .
I too have seen some horrific rigs over the years with FIXED leads always being the culprit as the tail rubber had been pushed on too far , this isn't a fixed lead rig , it's semi fixed with a tail rubber ready to discharge the lead if the fish is trailing the rig because of crud on the snapped end of line .
I understand mechanics of all set up lead arrangements and where and when they should or should not be used , trust me I can make my own judgements on lead arrangements to suit any situation on any given day in any particular water being if it's snaggy , weed free , deep or shallow etc...I've been doing this over 30 years .
Maybe the editor didn't realise your concerns on said rigs you were talking about , please share the rigs you mentioned that were concerning you
Edit ... it was Daffy Duck who first started the name calling in the locked thread , so I thought it was acceptable to continue with name calling as these kind of people only understand insults
You're not getting what I'm saying at all .
What if the line cracks off and curls up at the end gathering crud AS it travels through the water , the leadclip with lead will travel down this line till it meets the crud if it isn't snagged , same as a running lead , the lead would more likely discharge on debris being towed along the bottom if the lead clip is set up correctly as it should , the running lead can't discharge if it's on a fixed run ring can it ? , the running lead could then become tethered halting the fish in its tracks . What part of this scenario don't you understand ?
You can't see into the water and watch what happens to each and every fish or particular cracked of rig that has been picked up by a fish , you are just trying to make 1 situation to suit what happens if the lead can slide of the line , what happens if It CANT ? My scenario was based on what Boysie posted up with the line curling up at the end .
I too have seen some horrific rigs over the years with FIXED leads always being the culprit as the tail rubber had been pushed on too far , this isn't a fixed lead rig , it's semi fixed with a tail rubber ready to discharge the lead if the fish is trailing the rig because of crud on the snapped end of line .
I understand mechanics of all set up lead arrangements and where and when they should or should not be used , trust me I can make my own judgements on lead arrangements to suit any situation on any given day in any particular water being if it's snaggy , weed free , deep or shallow etc...I've been doing this over 30 years .
Maybe the editor didn't realise your concerns on said rigs you were talking about , please share the rigs you mentioned that were concerning you
Edit ... it was Daffy Duck who first started the name calling in the locked thread , so I thought it was acceptable to continue with name calling as these kind of people only understand insults
In reply to Post #54
You obviously don't understand all mechanics of all lead set-ups as with Your scenario with the line curling up at the end I have been trying to explain, continuously, but you aren't understanding, or are ignoring, or you don't get what we have been saying.
With a large bore run ring, it will pass over the curled up end of line, even some rubbish if it is less than the bore of the run ring. In this case the lead not being ejected will help it go over it as the lead is dragged along the lakebed.
In the leadclip scenario, the lead is unable to be ejected, the tail rubber cannot be pulled free, because the lead clip is not fixed in place to the hooklink swivel. It requires the lead clip to be fixed to the hooklink mainline join to eject the lead. Once it is free running the tail rubber will not pull free of the lead clip.
The bore of the lead clip, that is the hole through the middle, is so small that it cannot pass over even the smallest piece of rubbish trapped in or on the line.
A lead clip should not really have any place in fishing, especially not being used as running rigs.
Now I am going to explain something to you, just because someone apparently insulted you, you do not need to retaliate, as soon as you did that you lost the debate, and with further argumentative posts all credibility about what you say.
The disagreement with the editor is you trying to muddy the waters further, it really doesn't matter what rigs I was concerned with. What matters is my point that I no longer read carp magazines after you accused Boycie and myself of 'sticking to reading carp mags or forums'.
You obviously don't understand all mechanics of all lead set-ups as with Your scenario with the line curling up at the end I have been trying to explain, continuously, but you aren't understanding, or are ignoring, or you don't get what we have been saying.
With a large bore run ring, it will pass over the curled up end of line, even some rubbish if it is less than the bore of the run ring. In this case the lead not being ejected will help it go over it as the lead is dragged along the lakebed.
In the leadclip scenario, the lead is unable to be ejected, the tail rubber cannot be pulled free, because the lead clip is not fixed in place to the hooklink swivel. It requires the lead clip to be fixed to the hooklink mainline join to eject the lead. Once it is free running the tail rubber will not pull free of the lead clip.
The bore of the lead clip, that is the hole through the middle, is so small that it cannot pass over even the smallest piece of rubbish trapped in or on the line.
A lead clip should not really have any place in fishing, especially not being used as running rigs.
Now I am going to explain something to you, just because someone apparently insulted you, you do not need to retaliate, as soon as you did that you lost the debate, and with further argumentative posts all credibility about what you say.
The disagreement with the editor is you trying to muddy the waters further, it really doesn't matter what rigs I was concerned with. What matters is my point that I no longer read carp magazines after you accused Boycie and myself of 'sticking to reading carp mags or forums'.
In reply to Post #56
Lead clips are totally safe if used correctly, but they need to be fixed for this to work. The Korda ones which click in are no good, the swivel pulls out of the clip too easily. You need a lead clip with a peg, or tied, for them to work safely. Lead clips are great, but should never be fished running. This is a bit silly really doing this as plenty have already said. The top opening on your tail rubber is very small, and silicone. It will fold back on itself easily in the event of pressure from that way. It's not going over anything in the event of a break off on your mainline. Death rig running, very safe fixed.
Lead clips are totally safe if used correctly, but they need to be fixed for this to work. The Korda ones which click in are no good, the swivel pulls out of the clip too easily. You need a lead clip with a peg, or tied, for them to work safely. Lead clips are great, but should never be fished running. This is a bit silly really doing this as plenty have already said. The top opening on your tail rubber is very small, and silicone. It will fold back on itself easily in the event of pressure from that way. It's not going over anything in the event of a break off on your mainline. Death rig running, very safe fixed.
In reply to Post #56
You are NOT reading my post , just highlighting certain parts of it to suit a running rig .
You are the one being ignorent here as I said .... what if the curled up line gathers crud so the running lead CANNOT run off the blocked line ? That's what I said and I can't put it any simpler to understand.
You say that it a running lead clip cannot discharge the lead once it has pulled from the swivel , wrong answer , try it on the floor , if the mainline gets stuck as you say then the first bit of movement once the lead picks up debris ( which it obviously will ) will discharge it from the clip if it is set up correctly as it should be .
Run rings aren't as safe as you make out , some of the lakes I fish I've brought back balls of weed I can't even lift , how the hell do you think a run ring is going to slide through that ball of weed is beyond me !
If a fish is towing a snapped off rig because the line has curled up and the lead CANNOT come off because the snapped line has debris or weed on it , a lead will try and pull through the said weed , correct ?
At least it has a chance of discharging , not that it would make much difference but I'm making my point clear .
You really need to read between full posts and not pick out certain bits just to prove your case , you've proved just that by saying I accused Boysie and you of sticking to reading carp mags and forums , go back and see the post was aimed at Daffy Duck , yet again you've just not read it properly I rest my case
You are NOT reading my post , just highlighting certain parts of it to suit a running rig .
You are the one being ignorent here as I said .... what if the curled up line gathers crud so the running lead CANNOT run off the blocked line ? That's what I said and I can't put it any simpler to understand.
You say that it a running lead clip cannot discharge the lead once it has pulled from the swivel , wrong answer , try it on the floor , if the mainline gets stuck as you say then the first bit of movement once the lead picks up debris ( which it obviously will ) will discharge it from the clip if it is set up correctly as it should be .
Run rings aren't as safe as you make out , some of the lakes I fish I've brought back balls of weed I can't even lift , how the hell do you think a run ring is going to slide through that ball of weed is beyond me !
If a fish is towing a snapped off rig because the line has curled up and the lead CANNOT come off because the snapped line has debris or weed on it , a lead will try and pull through the said weed , correct ?
At least it has a chance of discharging , not that it would make much difference but I'm making my point clear .
You really need to read between full posts and not pick out certain bits just to prove your case , you've proved just that by saying I accused Boysie and you of sticking to reading carp mags and forums , go back and see the post was aimed at Daffy Duck , yet again you've just not read it properly I rest my case
In reply to Post #58
what if the curled up line gathers crud so the running lead CANNOT run off the blocked line ?
As has already been said, at least twice, its about percentages and making what we do as safe as we can. There will of course be scenarios where a running lead can't pass over debris but there will be far more scenarios where a running leadclip can't. It takes very, very little to prevent a running leadclip from travelling back up the line.
What's the bore of a leadclip? 1mm maybe? Now compare that to the bore of a run ring. Surely you understand the basic principle that the larger circle will pass over an object/s larger than a smaller circle can?
I'll give you two examples. First one - Think about the marker float kits you can buy, or how you'd set up your own marker float. The kits come with large bore rings, from which your lead hangs down. The large bore ring is intended to reduce the amount of times that weed prevents the float from rising to the surface. The smaller the ring the less weed required to jam it up, yes?
Secondly a seasonal one too just to lighten the mood... I took my young son to a fireworks display last night. There were loads of traditional fair stalls there. One was the classic ring toss. You have to throw a plastic ring over a prize to win however the ring also has to pass over the square base on which the prize sits. Not all of the bases were the same size. The bigger prizes (PS4 for example) sat on a very large base, ony marginally smaller than the rings. The smaller prizes (bag of sweets) sat on a smaller base. Now, to increase your chances of winning, if you had the choice, would you choose a larger or smaller ring?
what if the curled up line gathers crud so the running lead CANNOT run off the blocked line ?
As has already been said, at least twice, its about percentages and making what we do as safe as we can. There will of course be scenarios where a running lead can't pass over debris but there will be far more scenarios where a running leadclip can't. It takes very, very little to prevent a running leadclip from travelling back up the line.
What's the bore of a leadclip? 1mm maybe? Now compare that to the bore of a run ring. Surely you understand the basic principle that the larger circle will pass over an object/s larger than a smaller circle can?
I'll give you two examples. First one - Think about the marker float kits you can buy, or how you'd set up your own marker float. The kits come with large bore rings, from which your lead hangs down. The large bore ring is intended to reduce the amount of times that weed prevents the float from rising to the surface. The smaller the ring the less weed required to jam it up, yes?
Secondly a seasonal one too just to lighten the mood... I took my young son to a fireworks display last night. There were loads of traditional fair stalls there. One was the classic ring toss. You have to throw a plastic ring over a prize to win however the ring also has to pass over the square base on which the prize sits. Not all of the bases were the same size. The bigger prizes (PS4 for example) sat on a very large base, ony marginally smaller than the rings. The smaller prizes (bag of sweets) sat on a smaller base. Now, to increase your chances of winning, if you had the choice, would you choose a larger or smaller ring?
Accepting that there are people who are prepared to fish an inherently dangerous way because they've seen an increase in their catch rate doing it, is there a safe way to set up a semi fixed yet running system that creates the 'shocker' aspect? Fox do a tadpole bead from what I recall. I've not used them myself but remember seeing them used with a large bore run ring that pushes over the tadpole bead but becomes free quite easily. I'm not sure if they come with the ability to eject the lead but I'm sure it would be easy to do using a rotten bottom.
In reply to Post #58
The point nobody has made is that the tail rubber has to pull away for the leadclip in order to dump the lead. If the leadclip is travelling at speed down the line and hits debris it may push it on further and/or impair its ability to separate from the clip.
A running leadclip in a weed free lake is absolutely fine to use, not sure why you'd want to though. But to use a running rig of any kind in a weedy lake is bad angling, and to use one that isn't even designed or suitable for the job is worthy of a smacked bottom
The point nobody has made is that the tail rubber has to pull away for the leadclip in order to dump the lead. If the leadclip is travelling at speed down the line and hits debris it may push it on further and/or impair its ability to separate from the clip.
A running leadclip in a weed free lake is absolutely fine to use, not sure why you'd want to though. But to use a running rig of any kind in a weedy lake is bad angling, and to use one that isn't even designed or suitable for the job is worthy of a smacked bottom
In reply to Post #62
Oooo matron, I'm digging out my leadclips as I type this.
Oooo matron, I'm digging out my leadclips as I type this.
I'd already covered the situation in which this rig is acceptable in post 30 , I'll post it up again as you obviously haven't read the whole thread again
It's not my rig , it's a rig that's been round a long long time , I don't use it in my fishing as I mostly fish big snaggy waters abroad , I don't see the problem fishing it in a lake with no snags
It's not my rig , it's a rig that's been round a long long time , I don't use it in my fishing as I mostly fish big snaggy waters abroad , I don't see the problem fishing it in a lake with no snags
In reply to Post #58
As Boycie has explained but you have chosen to ignore is that if the ball of crud is so big that the run ring can't slide off the line then there is a small piece of plastic that is a loop on the run ring holding the link clip and lead that can break.
On a lead clip the tail rubber can't be ejected, the lead clip can't release over the ball of crud.
In either case you have a large ball of rubbish being towed around, which actually the lead clip is contributing to as they also catch weed, so therefore you fish the safest option, the running lead on a run ring. It gives more chance for everything to be ejected.
We have read your posts, we explained you are reducing the risks as much as possible, you have missed that. You are now fixated on a blooming great ball of crud, which will not allow a lead clip or run ring to come off.
However, the larger bore of the run ring which is around 5mm is more likely to come off than a leadclip which has an inner bore of around 1.5mm. Next thing, it takes less crud on the line for a leadclip to be unable to be ejected. At this point, it is likely that the tail rubber is now jammed further onto the leadclip, as the crud has prevented the tail rubber releasing and making it more likely it can't be ejected. A tail rubber needs a particular angle of pressure to be released, it can't release if the lead clip can move, hence my comments that a lead clip must be fixed.
Nope, read through the whole first thread again, and other than a few sarcastic comments, none of which were aimed at you, the first person to get insulting was you. Then you try to have a go at you claim was Daffy duck, incorrect, the post you quoted was Josh_shepz, and the retort was "That's it mate you stick to the mags and the videos/ forums ", my point in return was that in magazines there have been dangerous rigs published, dangerous set-ups advocated, by high profile anglers, like using a lead clip for a running set-up. It has been recommended by a high profile angler.
On forums like this, there have been anglers who have tried to explain the wrongs of using a leadclip as a running lead.
As Boycie has explained but you have chosen to ignore is that if the ball of crud is so big that the run ring can't slide off the line then there is a small piece of plastic that is a loop on the run ring holding the link clip and lead that can break.
On a lead clip the tail rubber can't be ejected, the lead clip can't release over the ball of crud.
In either case you have a large ball of rubbish being towed around, which actually the lead clip is contributing to as they also catch weed, so therefore you fish the safest option, the running lead on a run ring. It gives more chance for everything to be ejected.
We have read your posts, we explained you are reducing the risks as much as possible, you have missed that. You are now fixated on a blooming great ball of crud, which will not allow a lead clip or run ring to come off.
However, the larger bore of the run ring which is around 5mm is more likely to come off than a leadclip which has an inner bore of around 1.5mm. Next thing, it takes less crud on the line for a leadclip to be unable to be ejected. At this point, it is likely that the tail rubber is now jammed further onto the leadclip, as the crud has prevented the tail rubber releasing and making it more likely it can't be ejected. A tail rubber needs a particular angle of pressure to be released, it can't release if the lead clip can move, hence my comments that a lead clip must be fixed.
Nope, read through the whole first thread again, and other than a few sarcastic comments, none of which were aimed at you, the first person to get insulting was you. Then you try to have a go at you claim was Daffy duck, incorrect, the post you quoted was Josh_shepz, and the retort was "That's it mate you stick to the mags and the videos/ forums ", my point in return was that in magazines there have been dangerous rigs published, dangerous set-ups advocated, by high profile anglers, like using a lead clip for a running set-up. It has been recommended by a high profile angler.
On forums like this, there have been anglers who have tried to explain the wrongs of using a leadclip as a running lead.
In reply to Post #64
'Your' in the context of this thread simply means the setup that you mentioned, it doesn't imply that you invented it or use it. You could refer to 'my' tadpole beads as I mentioned them below but I'd understand that you didn't mean that I manufactured them. Apologies, I assumed you would know that, but then you know what they say about assuming.
'Your' in the context of this thread simply means the setup that you mentioned, it doesn't imply that you invented it or use it. You could refer to 'my' tadpole beads as I mentioned them below but I'd understand that you didn't mean that I manufactured them. Apologies, I assumed you would know that, but then you know what they say about assuming.
In reply to Post #65
You've forgot to mention that bit about the C clip which in fact Josh mentioned and is indeed a superb idea albeit not suitable for distance casting with heavier leads because the lead could come free on the cast .
You're assuming that most anglers use this C clip when in actual fact I bet most don't , it's the assuming bit that Boycie has always pointed out
that is actually quite valid .
Whatever way its dressed up it's a semi fixed lead set up not a true running rig which is only safe in weedless and snagless waters , I wouldn't and have never condoned the use of this rig in anything but this kind of water , but I know it's place in fishing and wouldn't have a problem with someone using it in this manner on one of my waters if I owned a lake .
I'm actually fishing now and tried the ball of line trick with twigs with a running clip and it behaved just as I expected it to , the lead did discharge after it came up against a small twig on the floor , I've tried it in the past and got same results , I always test my rigs before they go in the water , how many anglers do that ? ,
It's all about getting the tail rubber perfect on the lead clip
You've forgot to mention that bit about the C clip which in fact Josh mentioned and is indeed a superb idea albeit not suitable for distance casting with heavier leads because the lead could come free on the cast .
You're assuming that most anglers use this C clip when in actual fact I bet most don't , it's the assuming bit that Boycie has always pointed out
that is actually quite valid . Whatever way its dressed up it's a semi fixed lead set up not a true running rig which is only safe in weedless and snagless waters , I wouldn't and have never condoned the use of this rig in anything but this kind of water , but I know it's place in fishing and wouldn't have a problem with someone using it in this manner on one of my waters if I owned a lake .
I'm actually fishing now and tried the ball of line trick with twigs with a running clip and it behaved just as I expected it to , the lead did discharge after it came up against a small twig on the floor , I've tried it in the past and got same results , I always test my rigs before they go in the water , how many anglers do that ? ,
It's all about getting the tail rubber perfect on the lead clip
In reply to Post #65
You're not getting that a ball of weed or tangled line ain't going to go through a 5mm hole or 1.5mm hole , therefore as I have stated all along , it has its place but not on weedy and snaggy waters , do you now understand ?
You're not getting that a ball of weed or tangled line ain't going to go through a 5mm hole or 1.5mm hole , therefore as I have stated all along , it has its place but not on weedy and snaggy waters , do you now understand ?
In reply to Post #68
I think the confusion stems from when you said this:
Even if the clip area gathers some weed the lead will discharge leaving the line to pull through
That suggests that your advocate using a running leadclip in weedy circumstances. You've thought about the weed and come to a conclusion about what would happen.. I appreciate you've back tracked a fair bit and added certain caveats in order to justify your stance but that is what you said originally.
I think the confusion stems from when you said this:
Even if the clip area gathers some weed the lead will discharge leaving the line to pull through
That suggests that your advocate using a running leadclip in weedy circumstances. You've thought about the weed and come to a conclusion about what would happen.. I appreciate you've back tracked a fair bit and added certain caveats in order to justify your stance but that is what you said originally.
In reply to Post #69
As for advocating the use of a running lead clip in weedy circumstances,I think you'll find I mentioned using this rig in weedless and snagless lakes in post 30 , you've got you're wires crossed again as I've always said this rig isn't suitable for weedy/snaggy situations , that was my second of several posts in this thread so it's hardly back tracking is it ?
The only one who is back tracking is you by digging up the locked thread to try and justify your point . The only time weed was mentioned was in your post where you said the line can quickly attract weed , I gave you enough respect in that I already thought being a long term member you would know this rig isn't suitable for weed/snags , pity I have to post it up for you but hey ho , I shouldn't have ‘assumed' and given you credit
As for advocating the use of a running lead clip in weedy circumstances,I think you'll find I mentioned using this rig in weedless and snagless lakes in post 30 , you've got you're wires crossed again as I've always said this rig isn't suitable for weedy/snaggy situations , that was my second of several posts in this thread so it's hardly back tracking is it ?
The only one who is back tracking is you by digging up the locked thread to try and justify your point . The only time weed was mentioned was in your post where you said the line can quickly attract weed , I gave you enough respect in that I already thought being a long term member you would know this rig isn't suitable for weed/snags , pity I have to post it up for you but hey ho , I shouldn't have ‘assumed' and given you credit
In reply to Post #70
I actually think a fixed lead clip is even worse in weedy scenarios.
I actually think a fixed lead clip is even worse in weedy scenarios.
In reply to Post #70
Why don't you just admit you think you need to have the last word?
You have ignored logic, common sense and fish safety when going on about lead clips in weed, and 'created' an experiment on dry land that does not react as it would in water. You have hands, a fish have none. You got the result you set up the test for rather than coming in with a clear mind.
However you try to dress it up, I will fish a running lead on harder weed free areas in gravel, sand or clay pits, although the lake does contain weed. It does not mean that the lead set-up is wrong for that lake, it is the correct choice for me on the spot I am fishing. In fact hooked fish can go into weed, no matter what lead set-up you use.
If I were fishing heavy weedy areas, I will actually avoid lead clips and go to zipp shaped inline leads, which catches less weed than a lead clip or running lead, or use a weak or weakened lead link attached to the run ring, which if it snagged it could break free from. Then I am fishing straight to the hooklink with no added junk.
Why don't you just admit you think you need to have the last word?
You have ignored logic, common sense and fish safety when going on about lead clips in weed, and 'created' an experiment on dry land that does not react as it would in water. You have hands, a fish have none. You got the result you set up the test for rather than coming in with a clear mind.
However you try to dress it up, I will fish a running lead on harder weed free areas in gravel, sand or clay pits, although the lake does contain weed. It does not mean that the lead set-up is wrong for that lake, it is the correct choice for me on the spot I am fishing. In fact hooked fish can go into weed, no matter what lead set-up you use.
If I were fishing heavy weedy areas, I will actually avoid lead clips and go to zipp shaped inline leads, which catches less weed than a lead clip or running lead, or use a weak or weakened lead link attached to the run ring, which if it snagged it could break free from. Then I am fishing straight to the hooklink with no added junk.
In reply to Post #70
I've pasted exactly what you typed out you're more than happy to use what I said in the other thread so what's good for the goose...
How did you get on today? Hope you had a good session.
I've pasted exactly what you typed out
you're more than happy to use what I said in the other thread so what's good for the goose...How did you get on today? Hope you had a good session.
In reply to Post #73
Correct and as I explained if you go way back I actually said don't use this rig in weedy / snaggy swims ! It's a semi fixed lead which has its place but not in snaggy weedy waters
Correct and as I explained if you go way back I actually said don't use this rig in weedy / snaggy swims ! It's a semi fixed lead which has its place but not in snaggy weedy waters
In reply to Post #72
You can talk ! Im more than capable of selecting any rig I prefer for a given sitauation on any type of water or situation , I don't need a jumped up keyboard warrior trying to tell me its wrong when it isn't . Don't assume just because you think you're right that I am wrong , after all in the words of the mighty Boysie assumption should be avoided , at least he got that right
You can talk ! Im more than capable of selecting any rig I prefer for a given sitauation on any type of water or situation , I don't need a jumped up keyboard warrior trying to tell me its wrong when it isn't . Don't assume just because you think you're right that I am wrong , after all in the words of the mighty Boysie assumption should be avoided , at least he got that right
In reply to Post #74
Exactly 'correct' you need to have the last word. Only problem is you have not listened to reason, changed what you have said all the way through, and have no valid answer or opinion.
A lead clip fished running, is not a semi fixed lead, unless the line is tight, nor is a run ring. If a run ring or lead is used, and the line is tight, then it has become a bolt rig as per Kevin Maddocks original drawings in Carp Fever.
Even then a bolt rig has become any semi-fixed lead set-up where the fish is being panicked into 'bolting'.
I return your and raise you 😲
Exactly 'correct' you need to have the last word. Only problem is you have not listened to reason, changed what you have said all the way through, and have no valid answer or opinion.
A lead clip fished running, is not a semi fixed lead, unless the line is tight, nor is a run ring. If a run ring or lead is used, and the line is tight, then it has become a bolt rig as per Kevin Maddocks original drawings in Carp Fever.
Even then a bolt rig has become any semi-fixed lead set-up where the fish is being panicked into 'bolting'.
I return your
and raise you 😲
In reply to Post #76
Changed what I've said ? Where have I changed anything ??? I said at the start and all the way through that the running clip is for weed and snag free waters , how come you have to resort to lies ?
A semi fixed lead is semi fixed lead regardless of how tight you fish your mainline , I think you may be getting confused with it all to be honest , I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that bolt rigs have to have a tight line !
We are talking about running semi fixed lead clips , not running lead clips , I think you seriously should wind your neck in at this point and give up as you're making yourself look stupid as maybe you've been posting without actually knowing what we are talking about !!!
So you admit to using fixed leads with your inline set up ? A fixed lead is much more dangerous in my eyes than a rig that can dump the lead against no chance of dumping the lead as with an inline , but I'm sure you'll disagree and say the hole in the lead is ample size for the line to pass through
I think maybe you need a lesson in how rigs work and when and how to use them correctly
Changed what I've said ? Where have I changed anything ??? I said at the start and all the way through that the running clip is for weed and snag free waters , how come you have to resort to lies ?
A semi fixed lead is semi fixed lead regardless of how tight you fish your mainline , I think you may be getting confused with it all to be honest , I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that bolt rigs have to have a tight line !
We are talking about running semi fixed lead clips , not running lead clips , I think you seriously should wind your neck in at this point and give up as you're making yourself look stupid as maybe you've been posting without actually knowing what we are talking about !!!
So you admit to using fixed leads with your inline set up ? A fixed lead is much more dangerous in my eyes than a rig that can dump the lead against no chance of dumping the lead as with an inline , but I'm sure you'll disagree and say the hole in the lead is ample size for the line to pass through
I think maybe you need a lesson in how rigs work and when and how to use them correctly
Is anybody else reading this load of ******** and have any input ?
In reply to Post #78
Using a none pinned lead clip is ****ing mental.
Using a none pinned lead clip is ****ing mental.
In reply to Post #79
A none pinned?
A none pinned?
In reply to Post #77
You're making yourself look like a clown
You're making yourself look like a clown
In reply to Post #81
Yeah, I though it meant that. ; totally fixed.
Not good.
Yeah, I though it meant that.
; totally fixed. Not good.
In reply to Post #84
Correct , you are laughable , it's a shame as it once was a great forum
Correct , you are laughable , it's a shame as it once was a great forum
In reply to Post #78
The one talking the ****** is you😉
I used the asterisks, as that is what you posted
You backtrack, prevaricate, try to change the subject, and have no idea of how to reduce risks.
Let me point this out to you, just once an inline lead slides through weed better than a lead on a lead clip, i.e. it does not catch up. Held onto the hooklink swivel by a neoprene sleeve, as advocated by Jim Gibbinson, in the event of a break the hooklink knot is normally the place the line breaks. The lead is then able to be ejected, actually quite easily as the neoprene will slip off, also the bore of the inline lead is larger than that of a lead clip😉
Semi-fixed, held in place, as I pointed out is a lead clip held in place by the pin holding it to the swivel, or supposedly a lead clip thatpushes and clicks onto the hooklink swivel.
I said a run ring or lead clip able to run up or down the line is not semi-fixed. I then pointed out that any semi-fixed lead has become a bolt rig, because the fish is supposed to bolt or run.
I don't think you have read the title of this thread, it is called 'Leadclips fixed / running, discuss nicely', as such talking about a lead clip being used for running set-ups and how dangerous it is.
In order to deflect from your talking twaddle you start to make comments about other anglers.
You should be the person to wind your neck in, you are actually quite rude, insulting and ignorant. I think most people have just read your laughable rubbish and our counter arguments and given up, although some have pointed out you have made yourself look like a clown.
To be honest, you are not really worth replying to, and as I am sure you will want the last word I'll let you have it in your ignorance.
The one talking the ****** is you😉
I used the asterisks, as that is what you posted
You backtrack, prevaricate, try to change the subject, and have no idea of how to reduce risks.
Let me point this out to you, just once an inline lead slides through weed better than a lead on a lead clip, i.e. it does not catch up. Held onto the hooklink swivel by a neoprene sleeve, as advocated by Jim Gibbinson, in the event of a break the hooklink knot is normally the place the line breaks. The lead is then able to be ejected, actually quite easily as the neoprene will slip off, also the bore of the inline lead is larger than that of a lead clip😉
Semi-fixed, held in place, as I pointed out is a lead clip held in place by the pin holding it to the swivel, or supposedly a lead clip thatpushes and clicks onto the hooklink swivel.
I said a run ring or lead clip able to run up or down the line is not semi-fixed. I then pointed out that any semi-fixed lead has become a bolt rig, because the fish is supposed to bolt or run.
I don't think you have read the title of this thread, it is called 'Leadclips fixed / running, discuss nicely', as such talking about a lead clip being used for running set-ups and how dangerous it is.
In order to deflect from your talking twaddle you start to make comments about other anglers.
You should be the person to wind your neck in, you are actually quite rude, insulting and ignorant. I think most people have just read your laughable rubbish and our counter arguments and given up, although some have pointed out you have made yourself look like a clown.
To be honest, you are not really worth replying to, and as I am sure you will want the last word I'll let you have it in your ignorance.
In reply to Post #78
I too am intrigued as to others opinions... If someone new could step in to stop things getting personal and the thread getting locked up again that'd be great.
As you know from the last thread, I'm entirely in agreement with Boycie/Scott/Josh.
I too am intrigued as to others opinions... If someone new could step in to stop things getting personal and the thread getting locked up again that'd be great.
As you know from the last thread, I'm entirely in agreement with Boycie/Scott/Josh.
In reply to Post #88
I agree.
What could have been constructive and interesting debate, turned into a 1v1 'mine is bigger than yours' thread.
I'm in the lead clip running camp, but I only got one reply to my post.
I agree.
What could have been constructive and interesting debate, turned into a 1v1 'mine is bigger than yours' thread.
I'm in the lead clip running camp, but I only got one reply to my post.
In reply to Post #85
So it's no longer great because everyone bar dannyuk32 disagrees with you?
So it's no longer great because everyone bar dannyuk32 disagrees with you?
In reply to Post #89
I think it's entirely constructive and interesting. It's certainly opened my eyes to how blinkered some anglers are in their desperation to catch more fish.
I think it's entirely constructive and interesting. It's certainly opened my eyes to how blinkered some anglers are in their desperation to catch more fish.
In reply to Post #90
I can't say I agree or disagree with carp diem.
I didn't understand his arguments, and I didn't agree with Nick Gordon - like I say I found the whole thread turned into a 1v1.
They were both only interested in each other and no other posts.
Thread was full of ****.
I can't say I agree or disagree with carp diem.
I didn't understand his arguments, and I didn't agree with Nick Gordon - like I say I found the whole thread turned into a 1v1.
They were both only interested in each other and no other posts.
Thread was full of ****.
In reply to Post #92
Now you've read the arguments, do you think it is acceptable to fish a running leadclip?
Now you've read the arguments, do you think it is acceptable to fish a running leadclip?
In reply to Post #87
This thread is about semi fixed lead clips or unpegged lead clips . Why the **** would you use a lead clip as JUST a running rig ? The swivel is pushed in just like your inline to create a bolt rig effect then the line passes through the clip or on violent takes the lead actually can discharge depending on its size .
It's a semi fixed rig with no lead threaded on the line .
Hope this post can now open your blinkered view now on this rig
My first post on this thread explains it , why don't you people read the whole thread ?
This thread is about semi fixed lead clips or unpegged lead clips . Why the **** would you use a lead clip as JUST a running rig ? The swivel is pushed in just like your inline to create a bolt rig effect then the line passes through the clip or on violent takes the lead actually can discharge depending on its size .
It's a semi fixed rig with no lead threaded on the line .
Hope this post can now open your blinkered view now on this rig
My first post on this thread explains it , why don't you people read the whole thread ?
In reply to Post #90
No , because people like you can't read a thread properly . A lead clip uses a swivel trapped in it either fixed or not . If it's not fixed it becomes free running once a fish takes . How simple do you lot need it explaining ?
No , because people like you can't read a thread properly . A lead clip uses a swivel trapped in it either fixed or not . If it's not fixed it becomes free running once a fish takes . How simple do you lot need it explaining ?
In reply to Post #95
Time for you to take a step away from the keyboard I think. I'm pretty sure everyone knows what the difference between a running & fixed leadclip is. Your comment was not even relevant to the one which you replied to.
You've backtracked, twisted & turned so much you don't even know what you're debating about now
Time for you to take a step away from the keyboard I think. I'm pretty sure everyone knows what the difference between a running & fixed leadclip is. Your comment was not even relevant to the one which you replied to.
You've backtracked, twisted & turned so much you don't even know what you're debating about now
In reply to Post #97
Title of thread ... ledclips fixed / running . No mention of running rigs which are completely different yet everyone is harping on about them . I think you need a break from the keyboard more than most , I'm talking lead clips , why don't you start another thread on running rigs so you and your home boys can discuss you're lovely run rings
Title of thread ... ledclips fixed / running . No mention of running rigs which are completely different yet everyone is harping on about them . I think you need a break from the keyboard more than most , I'm talking lead clips , why don't you start another thread on running rigs so you and your home boys can discuss you're lovely run rings
In reply to Post #90
In reply to Post #98
In my view running rigs come into it because imo they have a larger bore with less surface area in contact with line are a safer option than a running lead clip with with small bore and larger surface area in contact with line.
In my view running rigs come into it because imo they have a larger bore with less surface area in contact with line are a safer option than a running lead clip with with small bore and larger surface area in contact with line.
In reply to Post #100
Read post 94
Read post 94
In reply to Post #101
That's correct if you are using a running rig , this thread is about lead clips fixed / running
That's correct if you are using a running rig , this thread is about lead clips fixed / running
In reply to Post #103
You've spent the last 100odd posts (not to mention the previous thread) telling everyone how safe a running leadclip is. Others (and it's the significant majority) have been trying to help you understand that it's not and offered you a safer alternative.
You've spent the last 100odd posts (not to mention the previous thread) telling everyone how safe a running leadclip is. Others (and it's the significant majority) have been trying to help you understand that it's not and offered you a safer alternative.
In reply to Post #103
#BackTrack
If you're quick you can edit all your posts to make Josh and Boycie look stupid
#BackTrack
If you're quick you can edit all your posts to make Josh and Boycie look stupid
In reply to Post #105
I'm positive as Boycie has said that this thread was about Leadclips being fixed or running. Being as I feel that using a lead clip running is not safe I gave a safer alternative in run rings, Simples!😉
Only Dannyuk is still not convinced, and sadly the debate got personal, for which I am sorry. Sorry for you that you Carpe-diem can't get it, and sorry that to others I got dragged down to your level.
I should have remembered that you should never argue with an idiot...
I'm positive as Boycie has said that this thread was about Leadclips being fixed or running. Being as I feel that using a lead clip running is not safe I gave a safer alternative in run rings, Simples!😉
Only Dannyuk is still not convinced, and sadly the debate got personal, for which I am sorry. Sorry for you that you Carpe-diem can't get it, and sorry that to others I got dragged down to your level.
I should have remembered that you should never argue with an idiot...
In reply to Post #107
Yes you should
Yes you should
In reply to Post #108
In reply to Post #109
I still cant believe all you idiots that are still replying still are not understanding what the difference between a running rig is and a semi fixed lead clip which is a type of bolt rig .
I don't need telling how safe you think running rigs are as I'm not down at your level of understanding
Some of you don't even know the difference between a semi fixed , running or fixed lead rig so why go on and on on about running rigs when this thread is about lead clips fixed in place or not ...( semi fixed ) . What the **** has that got to do with running rigs ?
A running rig is the simplest form of an angling rig hence why boycie knows his running rigs well , if any of you had any sense you'd see this thread is about lead clips , yes that's right , lead clips ffs !!!
I still cant believe all you idiots that are still replying still are not understanding what the difference between a running rig is and a semi fixed lead clip which is a type of bolt rig .I don't need telling how safe you think running rigs are as I'm not down at your level of understanding
Some of you don't even know the difference between a semi fixed , running or fixed lead rig so why go on and on on about running rigs when this thread is about lead clips fixed in place or not ...( semi fixed ) . What the **** has that got to do with running rigs ?
A running rig is the simplest form of an angling rig hence why boycie knows his running rigs well , if any of you had any sense you'd see this thread is about lead clips , yes that's right , lead clips ffs !!!
In reply to Post #110
FFS - it is about running leadclips you Gobwarbler
FFS - it is about running leadclips you Gobwarbler
In reply to Post #111
That's where the confusion starts . A lead clip is designed to house a swivel , if you push the swivel in without fixing it with the peg or use a lead clip that has no pegs , it creates a bolt rig effect so is totally different to a lead clip with the peg in the swivel . Line is able to move after the initial bolt effect through the lead clip so the fish can't use the lead to get free and you would get similar indication as a running rig .
As I've said all along it's not a running rig , if I wanted to achieve a totally running set up I'd use a running rig
That's where the confusion starts . A lead clip is designed to house a swivel , if you push the swivel in without fixing it with the peg or use a lead clip that has no pegs , it creates a bolt rig effect so is totally different to a lead clip with the peg in the swivel . Line is able to move after the initial bolt effect through the lead clip so the fish can't use the lead to get free and you would get similar indication as a running rig .
As I've said all along it's not a running rig , if I wanted to achieve a totally running set up I'd use a running rig
I think the term semi fixed is basically redundant. If something runs along the line, it's a running rig. If it doesn't, it is a fixed rig. Either way both can be made safe, both can be made deadly
Sad when you resort to name calling yet again
In reply to Post #114
I think the term semi fixed and fixed deserves it's own thread on what people's thoughts are on them and their thoughts of what they mean to be honest Ian
I think the term semi fixed and fixed deserves it's own thread on what people's thoughts are on them and their thoughts of what they mean to be honest Ian
In reply to Post #116
Maybe Andy. I thought the term semi fixed came into angling back in the 80s, when people actually used permanently fixed leads sometimes, it was brought in when those little tulip beads came about and people created the semi fixed system whereas the lead would come free of the bead when needed. To me the rig what you are mentioning doesn't really fall into that category as it isnt really fixed for more than a split second, and comes free when a fish runs off, as opposed to the lead getting caught up therefore causing it to release. On the other locked thread I said I didn't think running lead clips are much of an issue, but thinking more into it I think they are an unnecessary potential problem. If there was something causing the line to break, and coil or whatever causing something to prevent the whole clip and tail rubber to slide off the lead it would be impossible for the lead to drop. In theory a fish is towing around a lead clip with lead, and a length of line to the hooklink. The lead gets snagged up in whatever, the fish continues to swim until the line is tight to the snagged lead. Because the lead is snagged the fish keeps pulling, but the coil/weed/branch at the end of the line wedges against the back of the tail rubber, therefore actually pulling the rubber on tighter, and making it impossible for the lead to drop. I don't use running rigs for carp fishing ever so this is all theory. Would it not be a safer option to use a standard running kit with the c clips, and to simply tie the running ring to your hooklink swivel with 1lb line? That way you still get that little shock effect, then the light mono snaps, creating about as safe a running rig as you can get? .
Maybe Andy. I thought the term semi fixed came into angling back in the 80s, when people actually used permanently fixed leads sometimes, it was brought in when those little tulip beads came about and people created the semi fixed system whereas the lead would come free of the bead when needed. To me the rig what you are mentioning doesn't really fall into that category as it isnt really fixed for more than a split second, and comes free when a fish runs off, as opposed to the lead getting caught up therefore causing it to release. On the other locked thread I said I didn't think running lead clips are much of an issue, but thinking more into it I think they are an unnecessary potential problem. If there was something causing the line to break, and coil or whatever causing something to prevent the whole clip and tail rubber to slide off the lead it would be impossible for the lead to drop. In theory a fish is towing around a lead clip with lead, and a length of line to the hooklink. The lead gets snagged up in whatever, the fish continues to swim until the line is tight to the snagged lead. Because the lead is snagged the fish keeps pulling, but the coil/weed/branch at the end of the line wedges against the back of the tail rubber, therefore actually pulling the rubber on tighter, and making it impossible for the lead to drop. I don't use running rigs for carp fishing ever so this is all theory. Would it not be a safer option to use a standard running kit with the c clips, and to simply tie the running ring to your hooklink swivel with 1lb line? That way you still get that little shock effect, then the light mono snaps, creating about as safe a running rig as you can get? .
It wasn't that long ago that lead clips didn't have locking pegs or the hybrid inbuilt Korda jobbies, you pulled the clip over the swivel until it clicked but quite often the clips would come away from the swivel after a take or even on a cast and nobody worried about them running back then they were a new way of attaching the lead as a semi fixed option that a lot of anglers bought into as it allowed you to change the weight quick and simple without having to re-rig same as the new run rig kits , all a load of balderdash if you ask me any crack off or even worse somebody pulling for a break no matter how safe a rig is has the potential for the trailing line to get caught up and tether a fish.
Go back even further it was quite common place for anglers to pinch on a swan shot above the running Arsley bomb to create a bolt effect when the lead hit that, as with everything time moves on and things hopefully become safer or as safe as they can be, I feel this is more a debate about running over semi fixed and so long as there is no obstruction above any carrier of the lead you are doing your best to fish in a safe manner in my opinion, but if it stops you sleeping at night free lining in the edge is a deadly method.
Go back even further it was quite common place for anglers to pinch on a swan shot above the running Arsley bomb to create a bolt effect when the lead hit that, as with everything time moves on and things hopefully become safer or as safe as they can be, I feel this is more a debate about running over semi fixed and so long as there is no obstruction above any carrier of the lead you are doing your best to fish in a safe manner in my opinion, but if it stops you sleeping at night free lining in the edge is a deadly method.
In reply to Post #118
In reply to Post #118
The past is the past though chap, so not really sure what the relevance of that comment is? After all people used to retain fish in spud sacks, hold them up with fingers in the Gill covers, I even remember reading of someone taking a live carp in a spud sack, on the footplate of a moped, to the butchers to get weighed. All perfectly acceptable at the time, but now not even nearly.
The past is the past though chap, so not really sure what the relevance of that comment is? After all people used to retain fish in spud sacks, hold them up with fingers in the Gill covers, I even remember reading of someone taking a live carp in a spud sack, on the footplate of a moped, to the butchers to get weighed. All perfectly acceptable at the time, but now not even nearly.
In reply to Post #120
I'm not advocating old methods just using them as a reference especially the original type lead clips systems which many companies still sell like this now and unintentionally can become free running but doesn't stop thousands from using them generally because of cost and they can get 20 cheap tackle ones over say 10 Fox pinned versions, my point is anything with add on's on a line above the hook be it free running or semi fixed has the potential to cause a tethered fish just the line in itself hence the free lining quip.
At the end of the day not one carp angler has a conscience we may be going out with the best intentions of looking after our quarry but worry not about the fact we are towing its own body weight around by the front of its head for however long for our own pleasure.
Your reference for potato sacks and mopeds was recited in Redmire Forever by Kevin Clifford and taking the fish in a soaked hessian sack into the grocers in Ross on Wye and then returning it to the lake I'm not sure however it was on a moped it could of been a push bike possibly by Tom Mintram (the captor) I can't remember now a long time since I read it.
Anyway can't stop I'm off to club a few seals this carp fishing is so humane.
I'm not advocating old methods just using them as a reference especially the original type lead clips systems which many companies still sell like this now and unintentionally can become free running but doesn't stop thousands from using them generally because of cost and they can get 20 cheap tackle ones over say 10 Fox pinned versions, my point is anything with add on's on a line above the hook be it free running or semi fixed has the potential to cause a tethered fish just the line in itself hence the free lining quip.
At the end of the day not one carp angler has a conscience we may be going out with the best intentions of looking after our quarry but worry not about the fact we are towing its own body weight around by the front of its head for however long for our own pleasure.
Your reference for potato sacks and mopeds was recited in Redmire Forever by Kevin Clifford and taking the fish in a soaked hessian sack into the grocers in Ross on Wye and then returning it to the lake I'm not sure however it was on a moped it could of been a push bike possibly by Tom Mintram (the captor) I can't remember now a long time since I read it.
Anyway can't stop I'm off to club a few seals this carp fishing is so humane.
In reply to Post #121
Running club or fixed club?
Running club or fixed club?
In reply to Post #122
no such thing as running club, its a semi fixed club
no such thing as running club, its a semi fixed club
In reply to Post #121
Haven't read that book myself so must have been somewhere else I read that. It's going to bug me now...
I get your point about the loose lead clips still being available, they aren't the only dodgy item of end tackle on sale still either, but that's not the point. Just because something is available, doesn't mean we should use it. It's our place to act responsibly, not the tackle companies to make us..
Haven't read that book myself so must have been somewhere else I read that. It's going to bug me now...
I get your point about the loose lead clips still being available, they aren't the only dodgy item of end tackle on sale still either, but that's not the point. Just because something is available, doesn't mean we should use it. It's our place to act responsibly, not the tackle companies to make us..
In reply to Post #1
LOLz .
Just got home and read the posts from today.
Now I'm really confused.
LOLz .
Just got home and read the posts from today.
Now I'm really confused.
In reply to Post #125
What are you confused about Danny?
What are you confused about Danny?
In reply to Post #93
Hi mate,
Acceptable, yes. Much better than fixed in my opinion.
Not read anything I haven't seen before.
I know the argument against a running lead clip and I think it's valid, but I think it's overblown.
I think the reasons I gave in post 9 (can't be ars*d to retype, copy\paste) outweigh that particular argument, and overall a running leadclip is safer.
However, if leadclips suddenly became banned I would be very happy, because most people use them fixed.
If you use a barbless hook all of this becomes irrelevant anyway!
Yikes, what have i done.
Hi mate,
Acceptable, yes. Much better than fixed in my opinion.
Not read anything I haven't seen before.
I know the argument against a running lead clip and I think it's valid, but I think it's overblown.
I think the reasons I gave in post 9 (can't be ars*d to retype, copy\paste) outweigh that particular argument, and overall a running leadclip is safer.
However, if leadclips suddenly became banned I would be very happy, because most people use them fixed.
If you use a barbless hook all of this becomes irrelevant anyway!
Yikes, what have i done.
In reply to Post #123
eply to Post #121
Running club or fixed club?
ply to Post #122
no such thing as running club, its a semi fixed club
Is that semi-fixed by a wrist strap?😖😅
eply to Post #121
Running club or fixed club?
ply to Post #122
no such thing as running club, its a semi fixed club
Is that semi-fixed by a wrist strap?😖😅
In reply to Post #127
Does a barbless hook stop that definitely though? I'm sure I remember Ken postiing about how he gave demo's of playing fish on barbless hooks, letting the line go completely slack, and then tightening up to prove the fish is still hooked. Plus, if a fish becomes tethered then it may well keep pulling until it either runs out of steam, or the hook tears out which is the same for both barbed and barbless. With a fixed clip the clip and or lead is only the length of the hooklink away from the fish, meaning there is less to snag up. If you have a running clip then that could be many yards of line its towing about, which gives more potential to snag up
Does a barbless hook stop that definitely though? I'm sure I remember Ken postiing about how he gave demo's of playing fish on barbless hooks, letting the line go completely slack, and then tightening up to prove the fish is still hooked. Plus, if a fish becomes tethered then it may well keep pulling until it either runs out of steam, or the hook tears out which is the same for both barbed and barbless. With a fixed clip the clip and or lead is only the length of the hooklink away from the fish, meaning there is less to snag up. If you have a running clip then that could be many yards of line its towing about, which gives more potential to snag up
In reply to Post #127
Does a barbless hook stop that definitely though? I'm sure I remember Ken postiing about how he gave demo's of playing fish on barbless hooks, letting the line go completely slack, and then tightening up to prove the fish is still hooked. Plus, if a fish becomes tethered then it may well keep pulling until it either runs out of steam, or the hook tears out which is the same for both barbed and barbless. With a fixed clip the clip and or lead is only the length of the hooklink away from the fish, meaning there is less to snag up. If you have a running clip then that could be many yards of line its towing about, which gives more potential to snag up
Does a barbless hook stop that definitely though? I'm sure I remember Ken postiing about how he gave demo's of playing fish on barbless hooks, letting the line go completely slack, and then tightening up to prove the fish is still hooked. Plus, if a fish becomes tethered then it may well keep pulling until it either runs out of steam, or the hook tears out which is the same for both barbed and barbless. With a fixed clip the clip and or lead is only the length of the hooklink away from the fish, meaning there is less to snag up. If you have a running clip then that could be many yards of line its towing about, which gives more potential to snag up
I dont think ive ever been so confused about lead clips in my life.
The set up im using at the moment is.
15lb main line 12 inches of tungsten tubing tail rubber lead clip and a swivel that clips into the lead clip. Thread a pva bag on hooklink attach to quickcahnge swivel and cast out.
If ive read this thread correctly then this set up im using is not safe.?
If my mainline brakes above the tubing it gets tangled, and the swivel in the leadclip pulled out on the bite, so therefore my lead wont drop off as there is no pressure on my lead clip.?
Am i right in thinking that the solution to this is to buy the leadclips that contain a peg to stop the swivel comeing out on the bite.?
This makes my rig safe now as the lead can use the locked in swivel for leverage.?
The set up im using at the moment is.
15lb main line 12 inches of tungsten tubing tail rubber lead clip and a swivel that clips into the lead clip. Thread a pva bag on hooklink attach to quickcahnge swivel and cast out.
If ive read this thread correctly then this set up im using is not safe.?
If my mainline brakes above the tubing it gets tangled, and the swivel in the leadclip pulled out on the bite, so therefore my lead wont drop off as there is no pressure on my lead clip.?
Am i right in thinking that the solution to this is to buy the leadclips that contain a peg to stop the swivel comeing out on the bite.?
This makes my rig safe now as the lead can use the locked in swivel for leverage.?
In reply to Post #131
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In reply to Post #132
apart from the fact that the knot/tangle will push the tail rubber on, stopping the lead discharging.
apart from the fact that the knot/tangle will push the tail rubber on, stopping the lead discharging.
In reply to Post #133
Something I had not considered! Pont taken, post deleted.
Something I had not considered! Pont taken, post deleted.
In reply to Post #134
deleting a post doesn't help the guy that asked a question - all hes got is my answer
deleting a post doesn't help the guy that asked a question - all hes got is my answer
In reply to Post #131
I dont think ive ever been so confused about lead clips in my life.
The set up im using at the moment is.
15lb main line 12 inches of tungsten tubing tail rubber lead clip and a swivel that clips into the lead clip. Thread a pva bag on hooklink attach to quickcahnge swivel and cast out.
If ive read this thread correctly then this set up im using is not safe.?
If my mainline brakes above the tubing it gets tangled, and the swivel in the leadclip pulled out on the bite, so therefore my lead wont drop off as there is no pressure on my lead clip.?
Am i right in thinking that the solution to this is to buy the leadclips that contain a peg to stop the swivel comeing out on the bite.?
The tied or pinned on leadclips are most definitely the best if you do need to eject the lead. I think the Korda 'click lock' lead clips are awful for a couple of reasons:
1. You have to buy Korda size 8 swivels. Despite being size 8, various different manufacturers have slightly different barrel sizes. Yet Korda swivels are more expensive than Mustad, Leeda or other non carp brands, which do have as good a breaking strain.
2. The click lock is not secure, it can pull free, as you pointed out, leaving a lead clip unable to eject the lead. In the event of a break and tangle above the leadclip or tubing, the internal bore stops the whole lot coming free of the line.
3. You CAN modify the Korda or cheap generic lead clips, by drilling a hole through them to fit a locking pin or tying them on. The correct spot is directly above where the lead attachment moulding goes back into the lead clip body.
4. Me personally, I am not a fan of leadclips at all. I prefer to use an original Kevin Maddocks style bolt rig. A run ring on the line with the line fished tight. While not a true semi-fixed lead, because the run ring can slide, it is a rig that will or originally did make the carp bolt.
I'm sorry if this goes over what I was trying to say earlier in the thread, but the 5mm hole in the run ring, even running on tubing, will go over most break-off knot and tangles.
I dont think ive ever been so confused about lead clips in my life.
The set up im using at the moment is.
15lb main line 12 inches of tungsten tubing tail rubber lead clip and a swivel that clips into the lead clip. Thread a pva bag on hooklink attach to quickcahnge swivel and cast out.
If ive read this thread correctly then this set up im using is not safe.?
If my mainline brakes above the tubing it gets tangled, and the swivel in the leadclip pulled out on the bite, so therefore my lead wont drop off as there is no pressure on my lead clip.?
Am i right in thinking that the solution to this is to buy the leadclips that contain a peg to stop the swivel comeing out on the bite.?
The tied or pinned on leadclips are most definitely the best if you do need to eject the lead. I think the Korda 'click lock' lead clips are awful for a couple of reasons:
1. You have to buy Korda size 8 swivels. Despite being size 8, various different manufacturers have slightly different barrel sizes. Yet Korda swivels are more expensive than Mustad, Leeda or other non carp brands, which do have as good a breaking strain.
2. The click lock is not secure, it can pull free, as you pointed out, leaving a lead clip unable to eject the lead. In the event of a break and tangle above the leadclip or tubing, the internal bore stops the whole lot coming free of the line.
3. You CAN modify the Korda or cheap generic lead clips, by drilling a hole through them to fit a locking pin or tying them on. The correct spot is directly above where the lead attachment moulding goes back into the lead clip body.
4. Me personally, I am not a fan of leadclips at all. I prefer to use an original Kevin Maddocks style bolt rig. A run ring on the line with the line fished tight. While not a true semi-fixed lead, because the run ring can slide, it is a rig that will or originally did make the carp bolt.
I'm sorry if this goes over what I was trying to say earlier in the thread, but the 5mm hole in the run ring, even running on tubing, will go over most break-off knot and tangles.
Lead clips or safety clips, are not something I've ever concerned myself with, and I've never lost fish as a consequence.
A lot of nonsense, subject to opinion.
A lot of nonsense, subject to opinion.
In reply to Post #136
Thanks for the reply mate, swapped over to the fox ones with a peg in, and invested in a packet of large bore running rig c clips.
I've just put my rods out, so be interesting to see how the running rig performs over the next 48.
Thanks for the reply mate, swapped over to the fox ones with a peg in, and invested in a packet of large bore running rig c clips.
I've just put my rods out, so be interesting to see how the running rig performs over the next 48.
So.......without totally changing the subject, reading this has made me think about the difference between a running/non-pegged lead clip and and inline set-up.
With an inline the swivel 'clips' in like a non-pegged Korda lead clip or plugs in if there is a rubber insert and if the line snaps the lead, lead insert, tail rubber and tubing (if used) have to slide off the line as invariably the first thing that happens if it hits trouble is the swivel will pop out of the lead, same as what folks are saying about a running lead clip. This is usually considered a safe set up but is it? Adding to that I know some people use this set up with a slightly crushed swivel eye to effectively make it running
Discuss
With an inline the swivel 'clips' in like a non-pegged Korda lead clip or plugs in if there is a rubber insert and if the line snaps the lead, lead insert, tail rubber and tubing (if used) have to slide off the line as invariably the first thing that happens if it hits trouble is the swivel will pop out of the lead, same as what folks are saying about a running lead clip. This is usually considered a safe set up but is it? Adding to that I know some people use this set up with a slightly crushed swivel eye to effectively make it running
Discuss
In reply to Post #139
Well according to some , inlines are safe especially in weed ! I'm not commenting any more though as I might upset someone
You'll probably get an answer along these lines....'yeah but a hole in a lead is much bigger than a lead clip ‘
Well according to some , inlines are safe especially in weed ! I'm not commenting any more though as I might upset someone
You'll probably get an answer along these lines....'yeah but a hole in a lead is much bigger than a lead clip ‘
In reply to Post #140
.'yeah but a hole in a lead is much bigger than a lead clip ‘
I was thinking that as I was writing but, the bore of any tubing used behind it is definitely much smaller than the bore of any lead clip etc
.'yeah but a hole in a lead is much bigger than a lead clip ‘
I was thinking that as I was writing
but, the bore of any tubing used behind it is definitely much smaller than the bore of any lead clip etc
In reply to Post #140
I dont use running leads and they are something i haven't used as they wouldn't have suited the silty venues i usually fish however:
I was fishing a weedy venue a good few years ago now and got chatting to an old boy who was doing very well on the water. He said all he used was small inlines and didn't have a problem in the weed as they dont "snag up" and get caught like pendant leads.
I dont use running leads and they are something i haven't used as they wouldn't have suited the silty venues i usually fish however:
I was fishing a weedy venue a good few years ago now and got chatting to an old boy who was doing very well on the water. He said all he used was small inlines and didn't have a problem in the weed as they dont "snag up" and get caught like pendant leads.
In reply to Post #139
You can't compare an inline with a pendant lead setup, totally different beasts.
You can't compare an inline with a pendant lead setup, totally different beasts.
In reply to Post #140
Don't worry, I'm sensible enough not to respond to your baiting and ignorance, because quite simply you are not worth replying to😉
Don't worry, I'm sensible enough not to respond to your baiting and ignorance, because quite simply you are not worth replying to😉
As mozibay has said, the pb products hit and run system seems pretty safe to me if you do want a fixed then running setup - as soon as the swivel is pulled out you are on to the pulley system. There is a hole in the hit and run lead clip to insert a pin and hold the swivel in place - but that defeats the point of the system in my opinion.
I just tried a crude test with their hit and run lead clips using their silk ray leader. The idea behind the test was to assume a crack off/cut off. For what it's worth the rig was a silicone boom rig with chod attached (closest rig to hand at the time) The quick change swivel (boy are these tough - had to use pliers to open it enough to clip the ring swivel in!) was wetted and inserted in the lead clip, and the lead lifted off the carpet and given one good shake to simulate a carp (crude I know). The leads do not have pin to hold them in. The lightest lead I could get the quick change swivel to pop out straight away was 12gr/.42oz. With an 8gr/.28oz (the lightest weight I could find in my coarse tackle box) it won't pop out - but I'm pretty sure that carp anglers don't use leads this light! A 1oz pops it out and almost all of the leader (which is about 3ft long). I didn't bother to try anything heavier as the heavier the lead the easier will be for the system to work.
I like the fact that if you do crack off/cut off the only thing left in the carp is your rig (once the line and leader are pulled through the swivel eye)
I just tried a crude test with their hit and run lead clips using their silk ray leader. The idea behind the test was to assume a crack off/cut off. For what it's worth the rig was a silicone boom rig with chod attached (closest rig to hand at the time) The quick change swivel (boy are these tough - had to use pliers to open it enough to clip the ring swivel in!) was wetted and inserted in the lead clip, and the lead lifted off the carpet and given one good shake to simulate a carp (crude I know). The leads do not have pin to hold them in. The lightest lead I could get the quick change swivel to pop out straight away was 12gr/.42oz. With an 8gr/.28oz (the lightest weight I could find in my coarse tackle box) it won't pop out - but I'm pretty sure that carp anglers don't use leads this light! A 1oz pops it out and almost all of the leader (which is about 3ft long). I didn't bother to try anything heavier as the heavier the lead the easier will be for the system to work.
I like the fact that if you do crack off/cut off the only thing left in the carp is your rig (once the line and leader are pulled through the swivel eye)
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so is there a danger proof running rig out there
im not sure now
i can see the faults with disposing the lead if it gets caught up
i suppose thats the same problem with any running lead rig
so is there a danger proof running rig out there
im not sure now
i can see the faults with disposing the lead if it gets caught up
i suppose thats the same problem with any running lead rig
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so is there a danger proof running rig out there
The lead is attached with a C-clip. Should it become snagged the clip will allow the lead to discharge...
The hole in the small end of most tail rubbers is too small to pass over any knot and in many cases so is the one in the clip itself
This is the safest way to use a lead clip IMO. (Note: The clip is pinned to the swivel.)
so is there a danger proof running rig out there
The lead is attached with a C-clip. Should it become snagged the clip will allow the lead to discharge...
The hole in the small end of most tail rubbers is too small to pass over any knot and in many cases so is the one in the clip itself
This is the safest way to use a lead clip IMO. (Note: The clip is pinned to the swivel.)
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Looks good that set up how do you get on with it tangling
Looks good that set up how do you get on with it tangling
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